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Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions
    #26613997 - 04/19/20 10:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hello fellow mycologists!

I have a 54 qt. tub (unmodified!) that I spawned 7 qts. into within coir and verm (using Damion5050’s bucket tek). I’m keeping the tub, along with two other 32 qt tubs, in a 5x3 foot or so closet. I don’t remember exactly when I spawned the large tub now but it colonized decently fast (I used some G2G jars that I made with a master jar from a liquid culture syringe).

Three days ago when I saw that the mycellium had colonized the top completely, I flipped up the lid onto the blue handles to allow for more FAE. Unfortunately, I think I may have introduced FAE a little bit too late - not sure if this is directly correlated with pinning but from what I understand this is one of the main factors in triggering pinning. I am very open to all advice and pointers - I have some pictures of the tub.

This is one of my first grows (they have all been within the last few months and I have exclusively used Unmodified tubs (except they were all 32 qts besides one other 54 qt one that dried quickly; I didn’t get the coir properly up to field capacity before I spawned it).

I have 2 fans that are quite small that I have been running 1-2 hours per day, and just earlier, I misted the cake twice and fanned it for a bit with the lid both times because it seemed just a bit on the dry side. However, I’m saying that it’s dry because I have read the main thread that everyone references on maintaining proper surface conditions and mine does not have any visible drops/beAds of water that I can see on the surface. I have considered putting plastic wrap across the top to trap moisture on the surface, and today I have not let my fans run as long so as to decrease the amount of moisture that is evaporating off the surface of the substrate.

As I mentioned, I have two other 32qt tubs in the same closet that are on I believe their fourth flush - neither of them did particularly well after their third, but I’m hoping they continue producing a bit more! My main concern, however, is the big tub. Does anyone have any advice?

Below are pictures of the tub/pins.

























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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: Immortalzebra623]
    #26614023 - 04/19/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hit with some fine mist and did you say you let the lid rest atop the blue latches?

Prob fine to do that but with just flat on top of the tub flipped is better especially if youre getting too much fae.

I usually rotate 90 or take off the lid in the am then around noon i mist very lightly and reset the lid flipped ofc

And fae is a main pinning trigger but only because it aids in moisture evaporating off the surface. Too much fae = dry surface .. its ideal to understand your room rh and air currents [fan, hvac etc] to know when, if or how to adjust the lid considering its the only dial you have to turn unlike a traditional polyfill mono. Its best not to over think the lid and be able to recognize a tub that's damp or dry and why etc.


Your sub has pulled quite far from the walls quite fast too [that alone doesnt mean its dried out but its cause to verify that it hasnt] and  pins in the middle are probably poached up there because of surface moisture on the edges but maybe also some substrate dryness around the perimeter [due to lid sitting above the latches perhaps..] with a perfectly hydrated center.

Might want  to investigate closer maybe bottom water a couple oz each side as well.

You might not have to im just stating some obvious firstaid for a tub that might have had too much fae.


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: shevanel]
    #26614050 - 04/19/20 10:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I misted the tub a little more along with spraying a bit down the sides all around and was pleased to see the water remain on the surface for more than a few moments. Unfortunately, I think you’re right and that it is a case of too much FAE. I have the lid flipped still but flat against the top; hopefully this will help the substrate retain more moisture. I’m going to check on it again at around 8:30 am and see if it’s looking a little pinnier haha. Originally I had thought the sub might not have gotten ENOUGH fresh air exchange (generally I keep the closet door shut for security reasons but I’ve recently taken to keeping it open while I’m home) but as it seems to be drying out a little too quickly/pulling away from the sides, I’m going to keep the lid flat without resting it on the handles a bit longer.

Thank you for the advice, and I will try to remember to post an update tomorrow afternoon!


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: Immortalzebra623]
    #26614060 - 04/19/20 11:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Remember, skrinking subs dont always mean dry. You can judge by weight or how fast water absorbs on the bottom. A little water goes a long way and the same can be said for fae.

Also, dont try to saturate a dry surface... give it light-moderate mistings with reduced fae[just flipped laid flat] over the course of time so you dont get matting or worse, like waterlogging off the surface moisture of matted myc.

Once the pinset fills out mist whenever tbh


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: shevanel]
    #26614068 - 04/19/20 11:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

shevanel said:
fae is a main Keypinning trigger but only because it aids in moisture evaporating off the surface.





I'd say fullm colonization is the ONLY pinning trigger and the rest are pinning enablers/optimizers.
I'd agree that the evaporation off the subs is what helps create the optimal surface humidity, but I've also seen more than enough huge pinsets in soaked u dersides of the bulk subs with minimal to no FAE and also seen plentyful invitro pins in qt jars full of condens and totally deprived of FAE. I'd almost dare to assume that humidity is more important for fruit formation than the evaporation itself basing that reason on when I see totally restricted FAE I can still be met with lots of fruit formstion but when the 95+% surface humidity micro climate isn't maintained throughout most of the day then I don't usually see many pins. From my observations FAE seems to play a key roll in healthy fruit development but even then I think it's more the oxygen that helps fruits grow healthy rather than evaporation off the sub. I believe evaporation off the sub is important during most stages post spawning, it's just the colonies way of breathing otherwise it gets stale and behaves sick. Just my impressions of it all. The organism want to breathe oxygen and to expell waste to metabolize in a healthy way. Fruits MUST have extremely high surface humidity to have a chance to form successfully, then oxygen gives them the boost for growth. And evaporation/metabolisation simply keep doing their things at different rates throughout the grow and evaporation to an extend helps in creating optimal surface humidity tho not crucial for fruit formation.

As always correct me or intive to discussion if anyone feels I've got something wrong that's essential, I don't know if I sound like I'm cocky and think I know it all I'm always just describing my understanding of things so far and what I base the assumptions/observations on. I never learned anything from a man who agree with me or how that saying goes..


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: shevanel]
    #26614072 - 04/19/20 11:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for the advice - I will take that into account. I have definitely heard less misting is better than more. Would you care to elaborate a little more on how I could detect matting? I’ve heard of this much before as an issue and I thought I was decently well read on this business! Of course, I absolutely have tons to learn and you can never know too much. - just had only heard the term once or twice and didn’t really think to look into it. I will search it in the meanwhile.


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: Mateja]
    #26614073 - 04/19/20 11:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree on most of it. It boils down to experience. You cant buy it you have to get it by doing it and knowing the most common factors when starting out leads to less dead ends.

Once they get experience theyll see a little neglect [amongst other things] can also be rewarding at times but knowing how to recognize it is what matters.


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: shevanel]
    #26614076 - 04/19/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Matting.. its like when hard water or too much water [ie. a close proximity heavy handed misting ] kind of sits heavy on fluffy myc and kinda shrivels down like wet cotton candy but instead of dissolving it becomes more dense and well, matted. Itll likely become a problem later on.

Cant stay awake. Will check back. Zzz


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: Immortalzebra623]
    #26614080 - 04/19/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting observations! I can definitely see how humidity would play the biggest role (mushrooms are ~80-90% water after all! I know fresh air exchange is also important just in terms of the actual gases that are being exchanged throughout the process of both colonization and fruiting. Hopefully my sub with the lid being down off the handles for the next 7 hours will show some more pinning, but that’s probably expecting a bit much a bit too soon! Regardless, I do think it’s interesting how much a substrate shrinks as it produces mushrooms - my oldest tub was made on January 21st and it just formed some tiny pins earlier today, but the thing is blackened from all the overgrown mushrooms I let dump spores along the surface and it looks battle worn - a friend lovingly told me that I demolished it hahaha. If y’all would like to see some pics of either of my older ones I could happily post.


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Re: Using Bod’s Unmodified Tub - Seeking advice on surface conditions [Re: Immortalzebra623]
    #26614084 - 04/19/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And thanks for the explanation Shevanel, much appreciated. I have definitely done that to my poor smaller tubs and have experienced it firsthand now that you’ve described it. And by all means go to sleep! It’s 4/20 after all lol. Gotta get some rest for the Green Goddess’ National Holiday lmfao


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