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What kind of contam is this? Black beads?
#26613635 - 04/19/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Day 1 appearance
 Day 2

Been a little rough for my tub (started 4/11) first the mycelium started yellowing all throughout the tub and now I have this weird thing. Seriously doubting I'll be getting anything from this tub. Please help!!
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26613742 - 04/19/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea wtf lol...no idea what that is... what kind of mushrooms are you growing?? at first glance kinda looked like reishi
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26613760 - 04/19/20 07:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was also wondering if this is even a cube grow?
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26616607 - 04/20/20 11:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well supposedly B+, I'm not too sure what to think of it as it's my first time
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26616774 - 04/21/20 04:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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what substrate did you use and what was your process? did you case at all?
in all honesty it looks like a giant tub of trich or some other mold. any better pics you can provide?
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26619998 - 04/22/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used pasteurized one block of coir with 2800mL rye berry spawn. The spawn was from a g2g transfer and it was looking promising other than a yellow tinge on the mycelium which seemed to be metabolites. The tub appeared normal at first but as days went on the mycelium began to yellow the same way it did in the jar and now it looks like it's donezo. April 12th
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26620125 - 04/22/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fuck man. Might be side pins I can’t tell.
But it looks like venoms hiding in your sub.
Or the soy sauce from John dies at the end.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: A.k.a]
#26620131 - 04/22/20 02:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What are your substrate?
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Sockadin]
#26620135 - 04/22/20 02:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is an alien embryo. I'd dump it before it grows up and eats your family.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Growtech]
#26620225 - 04/22/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea man, im sorry i dont think youll get any fruits from that. Metabolites would be tiny little yellowish blobs, it would NOT be a uniform tinge to the myc. Healthy myc should always be uniform white, like cotton.
In the future, instead of G2Ging, maybe just innoc the jars with agar, might be easier to identify healthy culture and reduce the likelihood of contamination that way. You could also try using shoeboxes instead of monos. That way if a cpl jars were bad, you dont lose the whole tub. It takes some time to get good at it, youll get there. I just had to toss 15 tubs myself due to nonviable culture lol
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26620895 - 04/22/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Colonized coir should not look like that at all
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Endless Buddha]
#26620953 - 04/22/20 08:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe that to be a large brick of mold....>~>
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Sockadin]
#26621189 - 04/22/20 10:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Straight coir and rye berry with a little bit of gypsum
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: mushhead]
#26621210 - 04/22/20 11:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Should I even bother waiting it out or should it go straight in the trash?
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419] 1
#26621232 - 04/22/20 11:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just trash it man, sorry. I mean I guess you could keep it there to see how it progresses as an experiment, but def start over with a new batch of grain.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26621273 - 04/23/20 12:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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have any pics of the spawn you used? it may have been more fucked then you thought?
sorry you lost your grow. how did you inoculate the original grain jar that you did a g2g from?
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26621758 - 04/23/20 08:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah even without the black stuff that tub was doomed.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26625366 - 04/24/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's a pic of one of the 4 600mL spawn jars I had, I ended up using one of them for g2g as I didint want to risk mixing contams from other jars when spawning bulk. Was originally inoculated with an agar wedge.
 (This isn't the jar I used but it looked similar)
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26625751 - 04/24/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bingo! Thats the issue. Never use anything that looks like that ever again lol. You should only ever see one color. I see at least 3 in that jar.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Je77Ce11ar]
#26626116 - 04/25/20 02:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok ok thanks lol I was hoping those were just metabolites
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26626155 - 04/25/20 02:50 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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But if they’re metabolites what are those caused by?
If you g2ged something similar looking or still have anything originating from those jars they should all be cleaned out.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26626186 - 04/25/20 03:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did you not smell it before u spawned it? Oh man i bet it was raunchy! That tub looks absolutely doomed.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
#26626192 - 04/25/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dont hesitate to ask in forums early on before you go all the way to birthing. I consult the experts here on all the steps as Im doing my first agar--grain--shoebox grow. But a rule of thumb I have brought with me from all my failed trials is that if it gives you a "eww that looks rotten" or "eww that does nto look healthy" then its probably not healthy. Its almost like with food, you get a feeling when its off.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26626840 - 04/25/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kat419 said: Ok ok thanks lol I was hoping those were just metabolites
Some of it probably is, however metabolites happen because they aren't happy. If they are metabolites, it's a LOT and they are really not happy at all. Either way, that jar is really, really not healthy at all. In the future if you have a grain jar looking like that, I'd say just toss it. Or bury it in your backyard and see if any mushrooms randomly happen, but not worth doing a controlled grow with.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
#26632453 - 04/27/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I smelled all 7 jars while spawning and they all had the same odor. Not sure what they should smell like but it was "earthy".
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26632458 - 04/27/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kat419 said: I smelled all 7 jars while spawning and they all had the same odor. Not sure what they should smell like but it was "earthy".
I had a link pertaining to that kind of info hold on let me check my notebook.
Signs of Contamination, good write up on contams, smells, looks and how to avoid
Once u get a good jar of clean myc make sure u save that smell in ur head. You'll never mistake another bad jar again on smell yet alone looks.
The jar u shared a picture of that you said looked like the one you used looks exactly like the first picture on that contamination write up! lol. Better luck next time but for now id say that tub is
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Growtech]
#26632471 - 04/27/20 03:59 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pure white or toss got it 👌 thanks for the help my dudes, hopefully I'll get fruits someday
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Kat419]
#26632510 - 04/27/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kat419 said: Pure white or toss got it �� thanks for the help my dudes, hopefully I'll get fruits someday
Well actually,
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Metabolites - Although a large amount of metabolites often indicates contamination, small amounts are common on fully colonized substrates and spawn/PF jars. Metabolites are normally yellow but red metabolites sometimes occur in spawn jars. Metabolites may also appear as a yelllow discoloration of the mycelium.
Mostly you want pure white and the beautiful clean myc smell but look over that link i sent ya it's not AWLAYS the case.
Oh man it hurts to hear you talk like that! You'll get some mushies man i believe, Cubensis are easy just grab some agar! The reason most people can get away with starting spores straight to grain is because Cubensis is hardy as shit and will still give u some fruit even if it has some trich waiting to bust. You just got unlucky with ur first jars.
All in all look into agar, it's super simple middle school science project level stuff and will take ur mushroom work from 0-100 in a couple months as well as bring u peace of mind by being able to start spores on a 2D surface and transfer away from black bead molds and avoid future mold bricks. Not only that but if you get someslants you'll be able to shut down shop for years and get another tub going in under a week.
Hope some of this helped. I know why people badgered me about agar when i first started now. God i shouldve just wasted no time and got a PC and some glad mini rounds and got it done right.
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Re: What kind of contam is this? Black beads? [Re: Ababyphoenix]
#26632555 - 04/27/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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The sad part is I started from agar transfers and it still contaminated , just need to work on sterile procedure I guess.
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#26632579 - 04/27/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agar can certainly be contaminated. It's not as though just using it guarantees you are good. It will punish you just as hard if not paying attention, in fact it allows you to multiply contams infinately if you get carried away. Ask me how I know...
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