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Is Covid 19 really a hoax? 1
#26613131 - 04/19/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.
I agree.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] 4
#26613137 - 04/19/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.
Then presumably he believes the virus is real and not a hoax. Where does the hoax part come in?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: psi]
#26613158 - 04/19/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.
Then presumably he believes the virus is real and not a hoax. Where does the hoax part come in?
That it's any different than many other viruses and we have closed schools and shut down countries like it's going to kill us all.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Well the data seems to suggest that the mortality rate is far higher than the other influenzas that circulate yearly
AKA, if we didn't shut shit down way more people would be dead and these same people would probably not be saying anything at all
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#26613183 - 04/19/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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HamHead said:
According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.
I agree.
How do people still need this explained to them?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] 2
#26613189 - 04/19/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hoax? lol, idk man, I dont think so. Conspiracy people can twist anything to fit anything with their wild guesses and theories.
The death rate is well higher than the standard flu, and it spreads just as fast if not faster, and its overwhelming our medical facilities. The flu is an annual thing thats planned for, prepared for, and supplied for. They anticipate a certain bump in hospital visits and stays stemming from the flu every year and prepare for it in perpetuity. This thing just sprung up suddenly, and its just unfortunate that the person in charge here thinks hes the smartest person in the room, so instead of preparing properly, we got a few months of "its no worse than the flu".
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26613193 - 04/19/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I think it has become hard to deny that there have been a lot more deaths than normal in certain hard-hit locales.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers]
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I'm curious about what's visible under his shirt. I suspect it's a suit of armor of some sort.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers]
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viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] 1
#26613207 - 04/19/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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sh4d0ws said: Well the data seems to suggest that the mortality rate is far higher than the other influenzas that circulate yearly
AKA, if we didn't shut shit down way more people would be dead and these same people would probably not be saying anything at all 
We don't have accurate numbers, as many deaths are being said to be caused by covid when people have underlying health issues. Also, we won't have totals until after it has rolled through.
Another thing, numbers will be off due to being shut down. If things would have carried on as normal and there was no panic to overwhelm hospitals and those who would otherwise have trouble with illness before all this started died, like they may have anyway, we would have different numbers.
I think the scientists in that video is correct in saying that we are breeding a second wave by forcing people to stay home too soon.
Sutting things down are fucking with the numbers.
Maybe hoax is the wrong word.
What should . . Conspiracy I guess?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers] 1
#26613221 - 04/19/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’ll keep responding to this bullshit. Why? I don’t know. This guy is obviously an asshole. Let me tell you why. In the first 5 minutes of the interview he says that in America and the UK we are trying to flatten the curve. He then states that we will prolong the curve by flattening it. This is correct.
He then says he doesn’t know why we would prolong the amount of time the virus stays in the community...
It’s a very simple reason. By flattening the curve you reduce the amount of people who are exposed in a given time frame. We are doing this because the worldwide healthcare system was not designed to care for all of these extra sick people.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU ALL WOULD BE FUCKED IF THE CORONA VIRUS SPREADs LIKE WILD FIRE.
Hospitals are business. They are designed to handle a relatively constant and predictable amount of sick people year after year. The “novel” or “new” corona virus, COVID 19 is unexpected. It’s not built into the usual equation. Hospital don’t pay for extra resources to sit around being unused just in case a world wide pandemic happens to occur. This would cost money, hospitals (and most governments) don’t want to spend money for “just in case”. This is the problem we are facing right now.
How many of you have ever been to a hospital and complained about waiting 5 hours to be seen for abdominal pain or a broken bone? I’m guessing many of you.
Hospital have to provide care to people in a order based on acuity. The sicker you are, the quicker you need to be seen or the higher the chances you will die. People with chest pain (possible heart attacks) or neurological deficits (possible stroke) and breathing problems (such as those with the flu or COVID 19 are seen first.
A sudden influx of “new and unplanned for” sick people destroys this whole plan. This is why you see places like NYC getting F’d in the B. They can’t handle the influx of new sick people. This in turn means all of the normal sick people, such as you grandmother who just has the flu, or you father who is having a heart attack have a much greater chance of dying simply because there are not enough resources to go around to help them when in ordinary times the hospital would be able to treat and cure them.
It’s a shitty reality. I think it sucks a huge penis. Because the world operates on money. And everyone wants to keep as much money as they can in their pocket, no one planned to have a butt ton of extra sick people this year.
So when this “scientist” says he doesn’t understand why we are trying to slow down the curve I say FUCK him. He is obviously an old asshole who’s education has provided him with an infantile understanding of the world as it exists.
SLOWING THE RATE IF INFECTION IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. PERIOD. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK SAYING MORE PEOPLE SHOULD GET SICKER FASTER SHOULD EVER MAKE SENSE.??
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Hospitals were overwhelmed due to panic. If there were no news and no one had any idea of covid 19, 2020 may have simply been a bad flu year, like has been seen in the past.
When SARS broke out in 2002-2003, what countries locked down?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: gopher]
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gopher said: viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
#26613257 - 04/19/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Covid isn't a flu, though.
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Enlil said: Covid isn't a flu, though.
But influenza is?
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#26613392 - 04/19/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah...that's why it's called "flu." InFLUenza.
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#26613407 - 04/19/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hamhead. SARS IS NOT COVID 19. Totally different level on transmission and death rates. Apples and oranges.
What’s your background.?
I see these people coming in sick every day. It’s not panic. It’s called acute respiratory failure. Today you feel fine, tomorrow you have COVID 19 and your lungs stop working. These are real human beings who are being brought in by ambulance because they will die without supplemental oxygen and possibly a ventilator to breath for them.
These are not just old sick people. It’s is effecting 20 year olds with no other medical problems.
Have you seen anyone on the news reporting demographic information? No. Do you know why? It’s infecting young healthy people and they don’t know why. If they reported those cases to the public you would have a panic. A real panic.
I don’t mind people questioning the whole pandemic. It’s healthy. We should be asking more questions. We should be demanding more studies. We should be demanding more information.
I’m just here to say this shit is real. It’s a big fucking problem. Governments world wide are shutting shit down because they have no other options at the moment even though it’s if instantly fucking up the world wide economy. They do not want to shut down. It’s universally bad.
Here is another issue to think about. The corona virus is new. It just made the jump from animals to humans. Viruses mutate. This shit has a higher chance of mutating the more people get infected. Viruses mutate to survive. They get worse, not better. Why do you think the flu virus never goes away? It’s been killing people for hundreds if not thousands of years and we cannot eradicate it. We do our best to control it.
COVID is here to stay, the human population has only known about this particular COVID strain for a few months. Basically we know it’s highly contagious and way more deadly than the flu.
Even with everyone locked in their houses this shit is spreading and killing people. We don’t know how bad it could get. Caution is a good thing.
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FrancoAmerican said: Hamhead. SARS IS NOT COVID 19. Totally different level on transmission and death rates. Apples and oranges.
I’m an emergency room nurse. What’s your background.?
I see these people coming in sick every day. It’s not panic. It’s called acute respiratory failure. Today you feel fine, tomorrow you have COVID 19 and your lungs stop working. These are real human beings who are being brought in by ambulance because they will die without supplemental oxygen and possibly a ventilator to breath for them.
These are not just old sick people. It’s is effecting 20 year olds with no other medical problems.
Have you seen anyone on the news reporting demographic information? No. Do you know why? It’s infecting young healthy people and they don’t know why. If they reported those cases to the public you would have a panic. A real panic.
I don’t mind people questioning the whole pandemic. It’s healthy. We should be asking more questions. We should be demanding more studies. We should be demanding more information.
I’m just here to say this shit is real. It’s a big fucking problem. Governments world wide are shutting shit down because they have no other options at the moment even though it’s if instantly fucking up the world wide economy. They do not want to shut down. It’s universally bad.
Here is another issue to think about. The corona virus is new. It just made the jump from animals to humans. Viruses mutate. This shit has a higher chance of mutating the more people get infected. Viruses mutate to survive. They get worse, not better. Why do you think the flu virus never goes away? It’s been killing people for hundreds if not thousands of years and we cannot eradicate it. We do our best to control it.
COVID is here to stay, the human population has only known about this particular COVID strain for a few months. Basically we know it’s highly contagious and way more deadly than the flu.
Even with everyone locked in their houses this shit is spreading and killing people. We don’t know how bad it could get. Caution is a good thing.
this is not a hoax and it's not something we have the luxury to call a hoax right now. It's a spit in the face to the dead and to everyone who knows how serious it is and sacrificing. This man along with every other health care worker on the front lines are watching people die alone fast,indiscriminate and an overall hellish death. With almost 800 thousands Americans being infected in 3 months 40,566 dead and rising every day in most cities. Fuck anyone calling this a hoax
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"Influenza is a viral infection that attacks your respiratory system — your nose, throat and lungs. Influenza is commonly called the flu, but it's not the same as stomach "flu" viruses that cause diarrhea and vomiting.
For most people, influenza resolves on its own. But sometimes, influenza and its complications can be deadly. People at higher risk of developing flu complications include: Young children under age 5, and especially those under 12 months Adults older than age 65 Residents of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities Pregnant women and women up to two weeks postpartum People with weakened immune systems People who have chronic illnesses, such as asthma, heart disease, kidney disease, liver disease and diabetes People who are very obese, with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or higher Though the annual influenza vaccine isn't 100 percent effective, it's still your best defense against the flu.
Symptoms Initially, the flu may seem like a common cold with a runny nose, sneezing and sore throat. But colds usually develop slowly, whereas the flu tends to come on suddenly. And although a cold can be a nuisance, you usually feel much worse with the flu.
Common signs and symptoms of the flu include:
Fever over 100.4 F (38 C) Aching muscles Chills and sweats Headache Dry, persistent cough Fatigue and weakness Nasal congestion Sore throat When to see a doctor Most people who get the flu can treat themselves at home and often don't need to see a doctor.
If you have flu symptoms and are at risk of complications, see your doctor right away. Taking antiviral drugs may reduce the length of your illness and help prevent more-serious problems.
Causes Flu viruses travel through the air in droplets when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks. You can inhale the droplets directly, or you can pick up the germs from an object — such as a telephone or computer keyboard — and then transfer them to your eyes, nose or mouth.
People with the virus are likely contagious from the day or so before symptoms first appear until about five days after symptoms begin. Children and people with weakened immune systems may be contagious for a slightly longer time.
Influenza viruses are constantly changing, with new strains appearing regularly. If you've had influenza in the past, your body has already made antibodies to fight that particular strain of the virus. If future influenza viruses are similar to those you've encountered before, either by having the disease or by getting vaccinated, those antibodies may prevent infection or lessen its severity.
But antibodies against flu viruses you've encountered in the past can't protect you from new influenza strains that can be very different immunologically from what you had before.
Risk factors Factors that may increase your risk of developing influenza or its complications include:
Age. Seasonal influenza tends to target children younger than 12 months of age and adults 65 years old or older. Living or working conditions. People who live or work in facilities with many other residents, such as nursing homes or military barracks, are more likely to develop influenza. People who are hospitalized are also at higher risk. Weakened immune system. Cancer treatments, anti-rejection drugs, long-term use of steroids, organ transplant, blood cancer or HIV/AIDS can weaken your immune system. This can make it easier for you to catch influenza and may also increase your risk of developing complications. Chronic illnesses. Chronic conditions, including lung diseases such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease, neurological or neurodevelopmental disease, an airway abnormality, and kidney, liver or blood disease, may increase your risk of influenza complications.
Aspirin use under age 19. People who are younger than 19 years of age and receiving long-term aspirin therapy are at risk of developing Reye's syndrome if infected with influenza. Pregnancy. Pregnant women are more likely to develop influenza complications, particularly in the second and third trimesters. Women who are up to two weeks postpartum also are more likely to develop influenza-related complications. Obesity. People with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or more have an increased risk of complications from the flu. Complications If you're young and healthy, seasonal influenza usually isn't serious. Although you may feel miserable while you have it, the flu usually goes away in a week or two with no lasting effects. But children and adults at high risk may develop complications such as: Pneumonia Bronchitis Asthma flare-ups Heart problems Ear infections Pneumonia is the most serious complication. For older adults and people with a chronic illness, pneumonia can be deadly.
Prevention The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends annual flu vaccination for everyone age 6 months or older.
Each year's seasonal flu vaccine contains protection from the three or four influenza viruses that are expected to be the most common during that year's flu season. This year, the vaccine will be available as an injection and as a nasal spray.
In recent years, there was concern that the nasal spray vaccine wasn't effective enough against certain types of flu. However, the nasal spray vaccine is expected to be effective in the 2019-2020 season. The nasal spray still isn't recommended for some groups, such as pregnant women, children between 2 and 4 years old with asthma or wheezing, and people who have compromised immune systems.
Most types of flu vaccines contain a small amount of egg protein. If you have a mild egg allergy — you get hives only from eating eggs, for example — you can receive the flu shot without any additional precautions. If you have a severe egg allergy, you should be vaccinated in a medical setting and be supervised by a doctor who is able to recognize and manage severe allergic conditions.
Controlling the spread of infection The influenza vaccine isn't 100 percent effective, so it's also important to take measures such as these to reduce the spread of infection:
Wash your hands. Thorough and frequent hand-washing is an effective way to prevent many common infections. Or use alcohol-based hand sanitizers if soap and water aren't readily available. Contain your coughs and sneezes. Cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze or cough. To avoid contaminating your hands, cough or sneeze into a tissue or into the inner crook of your elbow. Avoid crowds. The flu spreads easily wherever people congregate — in child care centers, schools, office buildings, auditoriums and public transportation. By avoiding crowds during peak flu season, you reduce your chances of infection. And if you're sick, stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever subsides so that you lessen your chance of infecting others."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719
"Signs and symptoms of COVID-19 may appear two to 14 days after exposure and can include:
Fever Cough Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing Other symptoms can include:
Tiredness Aches Runny nose Sore throat Headache Diarrhea Vomiting... This is similar to what is seen with other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes/syc-20479963
I am seeing a number of similarities between influenza and covid19.
People are going to die, and you are too.
Get over it.
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We don't dig mass graves for the fucking flu. We don't have bodies sitting in trucks. We don't have 1300 surge capacity morgues built for it.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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One down side to flattening the curve, its by slowing down the rate we get herd immunity, expands the time the virus is in society spreading freely, so more time = more time to evolve, into a new strain that now everyone that caught it is no longer immune to at all.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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There are similarities, yes. That doesn't mean they're the same thing. Covid-19 does long term damage to the lungs. By long term, it can be permanent. It also damages other organs in the body in a way that flu does not. It has a mortality rate FAR HIGHER than the flu.
You can play games all you want with words, but this thing will likely kill more than a million people before this is over. Yeah, we get it...all of those people would have eventually died anyway.
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Yeah but it's under evolutionary pressure to evolve into a more contagious, but less lethal form, so mutations could be a good thing? Hopefully?
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You're a terrible troll at best.
We also don't immediately put people on ventilators for flu. Which was done with covid and they found out it's not really the best thing to be doing.
Could all these ventilators have caused an influx of unwarranted death???
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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You're woefully misinformed. Putting people on ventilators is the last resort.
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I agree with everything you said but it was my understanding that that when a stable virus like this one mutates, it gets less deadly. So it spreads easier and stays alive longer in its host? I’m not an expert on these things but that was my understanding. Anyways thanks for what you do!
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: You're woefully misinformed. Putting people on ventilators is the last resort.
And yet there are reports of people fully conscious being put into a coma for a ventilator. Like, not being a last resort, but one of the first things being resorted to??? Question Mark, he knows.

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Enlil said: You're woefully misinformed. Putting people on ventilators is the last resort.
And the reason why they're saying it might not be best is because we're still trying to figure out how this virus works and what it really does to the body. What looks like ARDs, which has much much higher success rates with ventilators, does not seem to be behaving like ARDs.
It's true that it may be less lethal than we think, but it's still many magnitudes worse than the flu, at best - and we really just have no idea the extent that this attacks the body and the effects that this has on people in the long run.
OP, I invite you to go ahead and add to our knowledge.
not really I don't wish serious illness on just anyone, but seriously, dumb, dumb, dumb.
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Let’s all just let hamhead take his chances. He is allowed to believe what he wants. Obviously very skilled at copying and pasting from the internet... I’m sure he will be fine.
I vote for no more wasted energy on this topic.
Hamhead.... flat earth much?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Enlil said: You're woefully misinformed. Putting people on ventilators is the last resort.
And yet there are reports of people fully conscious being put into a coma for a ventilator. Like, not being a last resort, but one of the first things being resorted to??? Question Mark, he knows.


WHOA, REALLY?? Are you saying that not every doctor on the planet responded to this brand new illness that isn't found in any of the medical books by using the optimum techniques?
Who knew?
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If people are gasping for air, why not do a very logical thing and simply give them oxygen instead of watching them continue to gasp for air, scratching heads and then treating ARDS after they wear themselves out.
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No it’s the 5G causing it bruh....
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Why treat them at all? It's all a hoax, remember?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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You don't think they're trying that before putting people on very invasive, last resort, ventilators??
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I vote for no more wasted energy on this topic.
Goodluck Hamhead. Please at least adhere to social distancing guidelines, because there are a lot of folks out there with pre-existing conditions who are at serious, serious risk of dying or having permanent damage due to this.
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It's definitely not a hoax, it is some serious shit. I had it, and even though I'm young and healthy, there were lots of times when I wasn't sure if I was going to make it. I really felt like it might go either way. And that was like, 10, 14 days in I still had flare ups that were so bad that I thought I might end up dead. Imagine 14 days of being so sick that you seriously think you might be heading towards death. And then another 14 days after that where you still feel like absolute shit. Even now, I still don't feel 100%, and it's been over 30 days. Some people take 8 weeks just to recover at all. It's very painful and you can't breathe. It's really bad. Not everyone gets it that bad, but a lot of people do.
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FrancoAmerican said: Hamhead.... flat earth much?
Got one better for ya, I believe you and I, don't even exist!!! So, how can earth be flat if there is no thing to begin with?
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pirate-blues said: You don't think they're trying that before putting people on very invasive, last resort, ventilators??
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I vote for no more wasted energy on this topic.
Goodluck Hamhead. Please at least adhere to social distancing guidelines, because there are a lot of folks out there with pre-existing conditions who are at serious, serious risk of dying or having permanent damage due to this.
And are at risk of common colds and other influenza. So
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
#26613522 - 04/19/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No they're fucking not. My father has an autoimmune issue and handles a cold and the flu like a fucking champ. This is not the same.
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Hamhead.. what’s your profession. Educational background that makes you such an expert on this subject?
The more you post on this subject the more obvious it is to me that you have zero understanding about any of this.
Oxygen can’t be absorbed by lungs filled with fluid (aka pneumonia).
Read more, post less. You are not helping your cause. Your just coming off as a wiki genius.
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lol a wiki genius is a compliment compared to what this guy is coming off as.
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gopher said: viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things
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I watched the whole thing
Yeah.........no.
Also calling things like this a hoax just shows how privileged we really are and it's kind of sad.
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pirate-blues said: Yeah but it's under evolutionary pressure to evolve into a more contagious, but less lethal form, so mutations could be a good thing? Hopefully?
No reason for it to be less lethal, its not very lethal as is.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
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Considering I haven't had a flu in probably over ten years, I'm of little concern.
At first I was, but now that more info is coming out, much less so.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
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Doesn't need to be a reason for it, other than it has a better chance at replicating and surviving in an even less lethal form.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Just wanted to point out, I'm not a doctor and have zero experience, but a majority of cases are showing only mild symptoms.
Some people are testing positive for covid19 antibodies having never felt ill.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Antibody tests are not yet reliable.
Since this is a coronavirus(which accounts for a good amount of common colds as well), someone who caught a cold can also show that they have antibodies against SARS-COV2. It is not the same thing though.
Let's hope that they get better ASAP because that's a huge part of reopening society.
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Then why do them?
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Please stop posting things you read on Twitter.
As you just stated. Not a doctor. No experience.
Again, you keep posting facts that are actually not in favor of your borrowed opinions. People being carriers of a disease without symptoms is a BAD thing. Ever heard of HIV?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Because, again, they could feasibly lead to society reopening when we have a test with better accuracy.
We need to hone them and improve upon them in order to do so.
Once more this is a new virus. We don't really know shit about it. But please, go ahead and go to the ICU and huff a COVID's patient's breath if you want to go ahead and find out for yourself how bad this can be.
I'm done arguing with someone who's so intentionally obtuse. Gooooooooood luck.
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I'm curious to what those actual numbers of flu cases that aren't reported or not even tested for.
How can we say this is worse than a flu when a majority of people aren't tested for flu during a normal season.
How many people get sick and stay home to get better and never are tested for anything?
Now, how many people are getting sick and getting tested due to fear of covid?
How many are tested that come back negative for covid?
Have we got those stats yet???
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This is definitely the forum to get those answers.
Fail.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
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I've been skeptical about it since the beggining, it's in my nature to question anything .gov says because from experience, the fact is they lie, a lot.
I've deep dived into research on this since the beggining, lots of 'experts' are questioning it, not only the response but also the science behind it. e.g. 12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic
Problem is we cannot prove anything one way or another. We can prove the mainstream media have hyped it all up beyond belief, set-up news reports showing queues outside hospitals, only for citizen reporters to find the hospital was offering free tests the day of the news report, and there was no queues the next day after the report (which kicked off the whole #filmyourhospital thing showing many hospitals empty) We can show MSM used stock footage of dummies in ICUs and passed it off as victims, We can show Media used Italian footage and passed it off as taken in an ICU in NY (They appologised when called out) We can show Newspapers hyped up the first 13yo young person to die of Covid (the picture they used has been used with different names around the world for different things going back to 2017) we can show the official numbers are fudged, we can show the initial modeling of scarey projections was bunkem (since been revised down 10x).
We will not be able to know how wrong .gov got it until after the fact, by analysing total mortality figures and comparing them to previous years, and even then there will be plausible deniability.
I spent a lot of time looking at the test, they're not all the same test, but they all seem to use the same method, which was never designed for diagnosis, they guy who invented it (winning the nobel prize) says it should never be used for diagnosis, the literature is replete with evidence diagnosis is unreliable.
This is a good summery of the test issue: The PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) testing used cannot isolate a specific coronavirus nor can it determine the viral load and that testing is not being conducted in any case, although numbers are still being produced.Quote:
No ability to isolate specific coronavirus PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) testing cannot isolate a specific coronavirus nor the viral load. (While the moniker "VirusGuy" may undermine credibility to a degree I think we can accept that the poster may be concerned about his job and rather than judge by credentials look at what he says which tends to align with Dr Wolfgang Wodarg's words in link below.)
The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).
PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.
The problem is the test is known not to work.
It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.
Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.
The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all.
The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.
And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.
If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have.
And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if an osteogenesis* is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.
If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.
* Osteogenesis does not seem an appropriate word in the context but I don't know if it has some other meaning here or if it's a typo or if VirusGuy is "controlled opposition" and has introduced an error into his comments. As I know nothing about viruses I'm just trusting his word on it. Of course, I could use other recognised experts but in the situation of a psyop it's difficult to know whom to trust - we can expect misinformation and disinformation. All I can say is that, generally, what VirusGuy says seems reasonable.
From here (worth reading the expanded links IMO) CoronaVirus "Live Exercise", Jan 2020
The response has Bankster/Globalist fingerprints all over it, that doesn't mean it's a hoax tho, they will use any 'crisis' to their advantage, weather they instigated it or not. But throwing $Trillions of public money into Bankster coffers within days of the 'epidempic' is highly suspicious IMO.
Then there's the other side of the coin:
The Chinese reaction seems WAY over the top from the get go, welding people into their homes, dragging people off the streets, bulldozing dirt mounds into road tunnels, in an attempt to stop people escaping Wuhan. Seems they were really scared of something, more than your average SARs epidemic, because for all they knew right from the get go that's all it was, they'd been through it before... unless they knew something different...
This stuff gets scarey TLDR two researchers in Wuhan, paid for by US funding (and Bill Gates) were combining Bat corona visues & HIV in an attempt to make a HIV vaccine, they made one that could work in humans, one of the researchers has disappeared (some think this is patient zero) - it gets worse, they tested a previous version of this vaccine on mice (because these mice had similar lung cell function to humans) and it worked... the first time, curred them of the Bat Corona virus they made along the way, but when the mice were re-infected after being curred the first time, they all died horrible deaths, multiple organ failure.
You can read the long version of that here (there's a couple of posts on the same topic on the same blog): “No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito” – What The Expanse tells us about the COVID-19 pandemic and serial passage gain-of-function research
The argument against the escaped nightmare virus for me is in the numbers of deaths, we ain't seeing enough mortality IMO, BUT we ain't seen a second wave yet, we ain't seen weather people re-infected react the same way the mice did, so who knows.
Would I trust anything Bill Gates has a hand in as a vaccine? Nope. No Way No How.
I will not be having any vaccine if I can at all help it, it would have to be forced upon me. I'd rather take my chances with the Rona.
Do I think it's a hoax? It certainly looks iffy, the World Health Organization estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year and they don't shut down the global economy for that, hospitals cope just fine with that, so why the over reaction for the Rona? Do they know something we don't, or is it being used as a cover for something else (financial)?
Fuck knows. The numbers will tell, way after the fact tho. I'm not worrying about it at all, if I get the sniffles I'll take Zinc & high dose Vit C, like I do for all sniffle bugs, like I did in January when I got a bug that woulda had me diagnoised with the Rona if I had the same damn thing now.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Sandala]
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A lot of people are getting sick from something. People dont typically wind up in the hospital from other coronaviruses
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It’s a shame. But I guess dreaming up wild conspiracies is the best one can do if they know very little but think they understand much.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
#26613725 - 04/19/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is another DOCTOR saying he expects covid19 death rates to be on par with what we see during influenza season.
Now, I don't know if he is a MD or has a PHD or what, but a doctor he calls himself and at the end of this short three minute video, he says we have nothing to fear.
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#26613732 - 04/19/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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And yet, his prediction has already been proven to be incorrect.
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um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
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looking at a recent boston obituary... for every person who died of any cause other than covid19 in boston, 1.5 people died of covid19....
and uh, these are the numbers WITH all of the containment measures...
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Something about conspiracy theories is just that, they are theories, not hypothesis.
I could go into some conspiracy theories that have been proven to be true, but I'll let Enlil pull those up.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
#26613755 - 04/19/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week
Please correct me if these words appear incorrectly arranged. But, are we not still in the 2019-2020 season? Or, is this the 2020-2021 season dealing with covid-19?
Just trying to get these things straight so when I parrot all these things you all are saying, I can be more confident that I am correct.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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I can deal with people trying to argue that we should just let 500,000 people die for the sake of the economy. Those people simply don't understand how medical infrastructure works and how the rest of the economy depends upon its proper functioning.
What I can't deal with is the people trying to claim the deaths themselves are a hoax. That somehow every single medical personnel is on board with some conspiracy to forge death certificates. I'm seeing a lot of it and it is mind-meltingly stupid. There are so many different people involved anytime a patient dies. But yes, we're all on it. We just like to see you be miserable. The hospitals are actually empty and we just get a kick out of watching you guys progressively lose your shit
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
#26613764 - 04/19/20 07:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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morrowasted said: um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week
Please correct me if these words appear incorrectly arranged. But, are we not still in the 2019-2020 season? Or, is this the 2020-2021 season dealing with covid-19?
Just trying to get these things straight so when I parrot all these things you all are saying, I can be more confident that I am correct.
We're still in the flu season but it is almost over. By the end of May more than twice as many people will have died from covid19 between March and May as died from the flu during the same period, at minimum. Again, these numbers reflect the containment measures.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
#26613770 - 04/19/20 08:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not saying death is a hoax.
What I think is a hoax is that covid is any worse than what we see during seasonal flus.
Again. People usually don't get tested for flu unless they go to a hospital. With covid, people are getting tested at first signs of symptoms and even those without, just to make sure.
Numbers will not be accurate for this years flu season because many more people are being tested than during a normal year with no panic.
If this doesn't make sense, then .
You'll just have to wait and see.
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yeah, a lot of people get the flu and never get hospitalized. that's kind of the point. the case numbers are irrelevant. the number of deaths and the rate at which they occur speak for themselves. the mortality numbers from flu season reflect how deadly the flu is with ZERO containment measures other than a shitty vaccine that doesnt work. with ZERO containment measures, the flu killed FEWER people in seven months than COVID killed in 1.5 months with MANY containment measures. this disease is more than twice as contagious than the flu, and it's between 4 and 20 times as deadly, depending on many contextual factors. it's very simple and it is incredibly frustrating that imbeciles are going to walk away from this thinking it would have played the same way if we hadn't shut shit down.
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A growing number of those infected with Covid-19 are reporting “small dermatological lesions” on their feet. The measles-like marks are primarily seen in children and young people and are presenting before other coronavirus symptoms, which could be a tell-tale sign of the onset of the disease.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/foot-lesions-reported-as-symptom-of-covid19-in-children-some-adults/
Now some new symptoms seem to be arising.... definitely something more to this thing than the flu or anything else, and still unfolding.
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Very interesting... I’ll check it out
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morrowasted said: yeah, a lot of people get the flu and never get hospitalized. that's kind of the point. the case numbers are irrelevant. the number of deaths and the rate at which they occur speak for themselves. the mortality numbers from flu season reflect how deadly the flu is with ZERO containment measures other than a shitty vaccine that doesnt work. with ZERO containment measures, the flu killed FEWER people in seven months than COVID killed in 1.5 months with MANY containment measures. this disease is more than twice as contagious than the flu, and it's between 4 and 20 times as deadly, depending on many contextual factors. it's very simple and it is incredibly frustrating that imbeciles are going to walk away from this thinking it would have played the same way if we hadn't shut shit down.
That's the infuriating part.
If we effectively mitigate this to the best of our ability(which imo, we aren't, despite a lot of states trying really hard to) then there are going to be people out there who think that we've done too much.
But the alternative is doing too little, and more people dying, so I will take that trade off, for sure.
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#26613996 - 04/19/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread is a hoax
Ban yourself hamhead.
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Nothing’s real!
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Trump doesn't believe it came from a bat. This shit was probably released from a laboratory. I've been watching a ton of videos on the topic and I've seen scientists say it was probably created or being studied in a laboratory. Of course none of them are allowed to talk on the news channels. Didn't this shit start close to a laboratory? I highly doubt Joe Biden would've had the balls to say that the bat stuff was bullshit. Love or hate trump the economy was doing really good before this virus shit happened. We're going to need a business man to get the economy going again when this virus shit ends. If joe Biden wins we're going to be completely fucked.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
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morrowasted said: um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week
This^ the flu argument is crumbling
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Yeah it's just crazy that I have doubt's that it came from a bat. We should all just take Chinas word for it
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is this even a discussion? anyone who even has a cursory knowledge of viral diseases knows that this is not a hoax. some of your posts def gave me a good laugh though
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Corundum]
#26614086 - 04/19/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I heard that it had been deduced that the number of deaths from Covid is/was less than the number of lives saved due to the decrease in air pollution, howboutdat
Particularly in China - where it was estimated that 'even conservatively - around 70,000 less deaths in the young and elderly occured due to pollution during 2 months of shutdown'
Source of claims: Stanford University environmental resource economist Marshall Burke
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Corundum]
#26614091 - 04/19/20 11:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is how it happened! 
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Shenmue]
#26614281 - 04/20/20 03:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just a slight hamhead correction. If someone shows up at the hospital with flu symptoms, has already been sick for a few days, and appears to be in no danger of dying, they are just sent home and told to hydrate and come back if they become short of breath etc. even in the F’d up health care system - we don’t test people needlessly. They would get a bill for a flu test that would not help them get better or tell us anything new.
There are many reasons you would get a flu swab (test). One would be if your symptoms have just started. Let’s just say 24 hours or less for sake of argument. In this care you would get a glue Sean to confirm you have the flu and then if you are found to be flu positive- you are prescribed tamiflu. The only medicine that may shorten the duration and severity of flu if started soon after infection.
As of right now the Covid19 guidelines change every day.
Here is where you are wrong. Not every person who comes in with symptoms of COVID has been getting tested. If you are relatively healthy, and you have mild symptoms that don’t seem life threatening you are sent home with instructions to self quarantine for 14 days as well as staying away from other humans until you have not had a fever without taking medications (antipyretics) for 3 days. I think this was done initially to lessen the burden on laboratories so we could get results back faster for people who were critically ill.
In general - testing is only performed for any illness if the outcome of the result will effect the treatment guidelines.
Now let’s say you are some conspiracy theory A hole. You come into the hospital with COVID like symptoms and are told to quarantine yourself and refuse. You will get a COVID test and if you are positive the local health department will get notified. They will then follow up and make sure you quarantine yourself so you don’t go out into the world infecting people and killing someone’s grandparents out of ignorance.
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Lots of assertions about flu deaths, no numbers tho.
The average number of flu deaths during the 1990s was 36,000. Average number over a longer time frame from 1976 to 2007 was 23,607 deaths. If you take the number of deaths year wise, you will find a vast variation with a low of 3,349 deaths during the flu season of 1986-87 to a high of 48,614 in 2003-04. Link
Heres some CDC numbers from a few recent bad years... CDC source link
Year infected Hospitalised medical visits Deaths 2012/13 34 million 530k-680k 16 Million 37,000 - 57,000 2014/15 30 Million 540k-680k-390k 14 Million 44,000 - 64,000 2017/18 45 MIllion 620k-1.4 Mil 21 Million 46,000 - 95,000
US Rona stats as of 19th April CDC source link
Infected Deaths 720,630 37,200
Given that the CDC changed the reporting criteria for the Rona on death certificates, to include suspected (i.e. untested) cases, and cases where the Rona was only a contributing factor...
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It is important to emphasize that Coronavirus Disease 2019 or COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death
CDC source link
We can assume the numbers for Rona deaths are artificially high.
So Yeah, as many doctors are saying, if it wasn't for the new (unreliable) test, nobody would have noticed there was a pandemic, all these deaths would have been put down to pneumonia, and it would have been another bad year.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Sandala]
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There's so much going on that I can safely say I don't trust a single source or person to give me an objective, unbiased, non-narrative spin on just what in the actual fuck is happening right now.
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Given that the CDC changed the reporting criteria for the Rona on death certificates, to include suspected (i.e. untested) cases, and cases where the Rona was only a contributing factor...
they are not artificially high. coronavirus is causing people with other diseases to die of those diseases. The labs make it very obvious whether or not someone has Covid-19, even without a test. Honestly the tests are shit, the clinical judgment of a doctor is almost certainly a more reliable indicator than the test.
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holy fuck you are dumb
Literally all these conspiracy theorists have to do to not be wrong about this is go find yourself a job in a hospital in nyc. Hell, be a janitor. Protip: the hallways arent usually filled with beds and patients, and you dont usually hear them calling a code every 45 minutes.
Amazing how people can just speculate about shit from their couch when people who work in the emergency rooms are telling them outright that this is not something ANY doctor or nurse has seen in their entire lives. Nothing like this has happened since the 1950s
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
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People tend to avoid a flu, regardless if there is a pandemic, which some believe that influenza is in fact, a seasonal pandemic. Why would someone with no medical background seek employment in a hospital?
Or be licking door knobs? I don't think a door knob has much of a nutritional value.
See, ignorance causes suffering. Our ignorance of this new virus is causing suffering world wide. Once we can see through ignorance for what rona really is, our suffering will begin to fade.
Mine has already. I am aware of viruses and am happy to see others awareness becoming raised to see that we are indeed all connected.
I have no fear of rona, because I am aware and practice avoidance on a regular basis.
I'm going to work now. Life has not changed much. Toilet paper stocks are replenishing.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Worldwide cases:
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Why covid is not a hoax, it's not inflated or a big false positive: * We see a massive influx of people in hospitals with respiratory problems that outstrips any seasonal flu by an enormous margin * ICU's in affected countries are in many cases overwhelmed (defined as: running at significantly more than 100% capacity) with people who don't respond to treatment and exhibit a pattern that is not consistent with the flu or any other kind of known disease, save for perhaps SARS, MERS etc. * In countries where fairly accurate recording of deaths occurs, we see a huge increase in death rates. E.g. in The Netherlands, the death rate at this time of the year is typically a little under 3000, with peaks to 4000 in years with a heavy flu epidemic. Currently the weakly death rate is over 5000. Keep in mind that this is in a country where it is estimated that 3% of the population have been infected with ncov2 (so not just confirmed cases, but also inferred cases based on random sampling). Regional patterns are highly variable with some communities being heavily affected (death rate up to 5-7x normal levels for this time of year), while other communities are virtually unaffected.
So even if you basically ignore the testing or research that is being done and just look at how some high-level numbers are different from past years, it's blatantly obvious that something serious is going on. People who do not acknowledge this are either severely intellectually challenged, deliberately obtuse or (in most cases) both.
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koraks said: People who do not acknowledge this are either severely intellectually challenged, deliberately obtuse or (in most cases) both.
I think there's an additional factor at play here; something akin to a breakdown in mental health that I suspect is driving a lot of the conspiracy theorists.
I mean, it's certainly a huge shift for us all to deal with, and understandably, some are handling it better than others.
I think, when so much that we've come to rely on, and take for granted, is suddenly thrown into a state of flux and uncertainty, some people will start to join dots and create explanations for themselves that just aint so.
Forgiveness is what we need, as hard as it can be when people say things which deny the suffering of thousands/millions.
For are the people who spout this shit clearly not suffering themselves?
That's how it seems to me.
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Well too bad for the snowflakes then, they'll have to put up with people pushing their rosy faces into the facts. At a high level, these facts aren't overly complicated and there's no excuse for denying them.
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Jokeshopbeard said: I think there's an additional factor at play here; something akin to a breakdown in mental health that I suspect is driving a lot of the conspiracy theorists.
Well too bad for the snowflakes then, they'll have to put up with people pushing their rosy faces into the facts. At a high level, these facts aren't overly complicated and there's no excuse for denying them.
Interesting view. Everyone's health is not equal. Some are more deserving of health.
What about people who have lived their lives in unhealthy ways, such that their damaged bodies are highly susceptible to pathogens?
Maybe only those with genetic issues outside of their control should be eligible for healthcare. Smokers and the obese should be denied since their actions indicate that health is not of great concern to them.
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I think Jokes got a very good and easily overlooked point. Discernment .
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The problem with the situation is we don't have any more information than that this is happening. There's a lot of groups of people making various claims about everything going on but one thing I think that makes it prudent to have some doubt about it all is situations that have happened before. "What do you mean it didn't happen? The government did it? To do what? People were standing right there when it happened. People died climbing in to the rubble. It's disrespectful to those who died!" 19 years later the only people who still hold on to these sentiments are the ones who work for the government or the ones too scared to admit they were wrong. Some people made a lot of money off a couple thousand bodies. 9/11 was real. Just like it felt real to the soldiers who went in to the Iraq war, because they were in the middle of a warzone. Many came back from their service feeling like they shouldn't have went. That government tricked us in to thinking someone did something bad, then tricked it's people into doing bad things to underprivileged civilians in a third world country. They pillaged and acting like heroes, there were torture camps and human rights violations. Hundreds of thousands of people died, within recent memory, to satiate a lie. And no one did fuck all about it, the other countries said YOLO and the people said "Mah freedums." You know who got more heat than anyone post-9/11? The truthers. I'm not saying this is a false flag or that I'm sure of anything, but there's no reason it couldn't be. There's no reason a real emergency can't be manipulated for the benefit of a few. It would be far from out of the ordinary.
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Interesting view. Everyone's health is not equal. Some are more deserving of health.
A) i would love to hear YOUR proposal for how we determine who deserves to live and die
B) in a situation where there are more patients than resources, you bet your ass that doctors use the equipment on the people who are more likely to live.
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except the health care community gives really bad advice to losing weight, eat less move more has like a 90% failure rate, it ignores shit like insulin and ghrelin, when you learn how to manipulate the hormones weight loss becomes a breeze
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A) i would love to hear YOUR proposal for how we determine who deserves to live and die
B) in a situation where there are more patients than resources, you bet your ass that doctors use the equipment on the people who are more likely to live.
If you saw I was responding to a claim that people's mental health was not important. So I question why we get to make arbitrary determinations on quality of life and its value.
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we have the capacity to help more people than just those with genetic problems. you're basically saying we should not save as many lives as we could. some people change after major health events. it's worth trying. sometimes there are not enough resources for everyone, but when there are, I consider it unethical not to use them. you can sit there and judge smokers and drinkers if you want. not my job.
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except the health care community gives really bad advice to losing weight, eat less move more has like a 90% failure rate, it ignores shit like insulin and ghrelin, when you learn how to manipulate the hormones weight loss becomes a breeze
This is only true on the Internet. In the real world I see a very small proportion of obese people involved in activities that require energy expenditure (maybe 5%, yet by population they are 50-66%).
Go out to any restaurant (in the before times) and you can see hordes of overweight people consuming vast quantities of food. Usually more than would be needed for a whole day in a single meal.
People vastly overestimate their amount of activity, and underestimate their food consumption. If they don't need to be held accountable then I guess it is another mental disorder.
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I was saying that kovak's view flew against the medical, and extrapolated on that line of thinking. You only prove my point by railing against it.
I don't care if people want to overeat and smoke. I don't agree when we make it a social burden by creating institutions that spread the cost of their poor decisions to everyone.
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So it sounds like you would prefer a universal healthcare system where there are fewer resources to go around and those who make poor decisions are more frequently excluded from sharing those resources.
To an extent, I agree. Such a system would hopefully motivate people to be more proactive about preventative health behaviors.
I meet drinkers, smokers, and junkies who care about their health all the time, they just have a hard time stopping.
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It really takes a tremendous amount of physical exertion to expend all the excess food energy from serious overeating. Not happening for most people. The body is quite efficient at conserving energy. If you're a bike courier or tree planter or pro athlete and your whole day consists of exercising hard, then you can pack away quite a bit of food without really gaining weight.
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im not saying fat people dont eat too much, they do, im just saying the advice the doctors (sometimes overweight doctors even) dosnt work, some of these people listen to the advice, they start eating heart healthy grains, dosnt the pyramid allow you 10 fucking servings or something? they try to eat less at each sitting, but they try to eat 6 small meals a day cause they heard thats healthy, they are constantly spiking thier insulin, insulin by itself can make you fat, people who inject insulin into the same site all the time develop a fatty spot where they inject it, then with the constant small meals they get ghrelin telling them they are constantly supposed to eat all day, eventually they are going to stray off their 200 calorie meal and pig out, its not a matter of if, but when
moving more is great for health, and im really bad at it, I laydown in bed on my computer all day, but if you are trying to lose weight doing an hour of walking lets say burns about 300 calories, it helps, but if your diet isnt on game, you could easily ingest more then that on a post workout meal
I personally cant eat less,once I start eating I devour everything, but somehow I can eat none and be fine, Ive lost 20lbs in the last 60 days through a mixture of intermittent fasting and extended fasting, I can easily eat 1500-2500 calories in a meal, I just do that once a day and skip a day here and there, I find it much easier then trying to eat 3 500 calorie meals a day, I'll end up snacking to fill myself up in between meals when I try to restrict
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lol, the food pyramid is no longer in use
whole grains are in fact good for you
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The advice works. Healthy eating and daily exercise do work. They are the most full proof and holistic natural way, and are time honored. It’s just that it can be really hard for people to start and make it a daily life habit till they are conditioned to it. Those motivated enough usually find a way. Sometimes people need extra help . But you can’t say it doesn’t work, especially when so many want an easy way to cut corners first and foremost, or are deceiving themselves in some way. Often times it takes failing at it a few dozen times before you learn the ropes. That’s okay too. As Buddhist sayings go - some are like the horse that runs at the sign of the shadow of a whip, others need to actually feel it hit them hard over and over before they budge. You’d be surprised how many people will better themselves when they have the right help from the right person in the right way for them, I see it a lot in my work.
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I don't think he is trying to argue that healthy eating doesn't work, I think he is trying to argue that doctors don't know what it means to eat healthy because some of them are fat and a lot of the patients don't follow through.
My weight loss really took off after taking formal nutrition courses and I've kept it off ever since.
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Well too bad for the snowflakes then, they'll have to put up with people pushing their rosy faces into the facts. At a high level, these facts aren't overly complicated and there's no excuse for denying them.
Interesting view. Everyone's health is not equal. Some are more deserving of health.
What about people who have lived their lives in unhealthy ways, such that their damaged bodies are highly susceptible to pathogens?
Maybe only those with genetic issues outside of their control should be eligible for healthcare. Smokers and the obese should be denied since their actions indicate that health is not of great concern to them.
You're going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I posted. I argued against people unwilling to acknowledge the existence of a major healthcare crisis by ignoring some basic facts. Finding it difficult to accept what is going on is no excuse for denying it.
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https://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-shakes-hands-protesters-texas-rally-stay-home-order-1498862 Alex Jones pictured shaking hands with protesters at a Texas rally against social distancing measures on Saturday.

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Well too bad for the snowflakes then, they'll have to put up with people pushing their rosy faces into the facts. At a high level, these facts aren't overly complicated and there's no excuse for denying them.
You're going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with what I posted. I argued against people unwilling to acknowledge the existence of a major healthcare crisis by ignoring some basic facts. Finding it difficult to accept what is going on is no excuse for denying it.
Ok, so you disagree with JSB that it is a breakdown in mental health. I agree with JSB on that point. You can minimize it, but it does result in harm. That guy in Nova Scotia who just snapped and went on a shooting spree for instance.
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What about people who have lived their lives in unhealthy ways, such that their damaged bodies are highly susceptible to pathogens?
Maybe only those with genetic issues outside of their control should be eligible for healthcare. Smokers and the obese should be denied since their actions indicate that health is not of great concern to them..
I don't think you interpreted what I said in a manner that you can agree with me.
As Koraks said, you took it off on a tangent - far from which my original point even hinted at - and ran with it.
My comments had NOTHING to do with people's physical health, or what they 'deserve', or who should be eligible for healthcare.
I honestly don't know where you got any of that from.
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My weight loss really took off after taking formal nutrition courses and I've kept it off ever since.
what kinda things did you learn in the course? I dont know if its true but I heard doctors only get like a week on nutrition and it was mostly something weird like metabolic pathways of vitamins or something like that I forget what I heard, but it wasnt stuff related to like general health through eating
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I don't think he just snapped, he probably was planning that for some time. Obtaining the police car and uniform for example.
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My weight loss really took off after taking formal nutrition courses and I've kept it off ever since.
what kinda things did you learn in the course? I dont know if its true but I heard doctors only get like a week on nutrition and it was mostly something weird like metabolic pathways of vitamins or something like that I forget what I heard, but it wasnt stuff related to like general health through eating
Depends on various factors. Med school. Residency/Fellowship. Specialization. Adjunctive courses. Autodidactic learning. So much.
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I partly agree with the thought he expressed, which is that the denial stems from emotional distress. My counterargument is that this is not a valid reason for people to deny what is happening. It may explain why people may want to stick their heads into the sand, but it's still not an excuse to keep doing so if some simple facts are available that prove the severity of the situation beyond any reasonable doubt. Hence my stating some of those facts along with the message that ignoring them is asinine. I stand by that.
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I partly agree with the thought he expressed, which is that the denial stems from emotional distress. My counterargument is that this is not a valid reason for people to deny what is happening. It may explain why people may want to stick their heads into the sand, but it's still not an excuse to keep doing so if some simple facts are available that prove the severity of the situation beyond any reasonable doubt. Hence my stating some of those facts along with the message that ignoring them is asinine. I stand by that.
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I'm not referring to mental illness. I'm referring to people who are sane, but emotionally stressed by the situation and as a result fail to acknowledge it, and instead choose to construct fairy tales.
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I partly agree with the thought he expressed, which is that the denial stems from emotional distress. My counterargument is that this is not a valid reason for people to deny what is happening. It may explain why people may want to stick their heads into the sand, but it's still not an excuse to keep doing so if some simple facts are available that prove the severity of the situation beyond any reasonable doubt. Hence my stating some of those facts along with the message that ignoring them is asinine. I stand by that.
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What about people who have lived their lives in unhealthy ways, such that their damaged bodies are highly susceptible to pathogens?
Maybe only those with genetic issues outside of their control should be eligible for healthcare. Smokers and the obese should be denied since their actions indicate that health is not of great concern to them..
I don't think you interpreted what I said in a manner that you can agree with me.
As Koraks said, you took it off on a tangent - far from which my original point even hinted at - and ran with it.
My comments had NOTHING to do with people's physical health, or what they 'deserve', or who should be eligible for healthcare.
I honestly don't know where you got any of that from.
You just don't want us to be in agreement. argumentum ad absurdum is not "going off on a tangent".
You said the behavior could be caused at least in part by a break in mental health. Koraks said those people aren't snowflakes, saying there should be no special consideration for those with breaks in mental health. I argue that we can follow that step (mental health is not worth consideration whereas virus infection is) and apply it further and further to arbitrarily distinguish which groups of people we deem worthy of having health considered. Point being that I find flaw in the assertion that mental health should be treated being less worthy of treatment than other illness.
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So you both agree with JSB that it is due in part to mental illness, but then you are not referring to mental illess. Ok
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You have no idea what I want or what I don't.
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If it results from being emotionally stressed by the situation then it at least relates to mental health, even if the threshold for "mental illness" is not met in all such cases.
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by the way, this is the amount of reading material assigned to registered nurses in school. Doctors have significantly more
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I want that first binder you posted, but I think chapter 5 would make me rage
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I get why people feel like the whole thing stinks though. The coordinated lockdowns worldwide really feel like "one world government" type stuff. I have no doubt that the disease is real and dangerous but I would not rule out the possibility that it may be a manmade contagion and/or was intentionally released.
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That is the textbook for the nutrition course.
It doesn't say anything rageworthy.
It describes how the pancreas works, what insulin does, the specific glycemic load/index of foods, how to treat type 1 vs type 2 diabetes from a nutritional standpoint, etc.
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I like the way the snake diet guy treats type 1 diabetics, he gets them drinking a shitload of sodium/potassium water to stay hydrated, he says that helps reduce incidents of ketoacidosis, he takes away their long acting insulin cause it will cause lows on his diet, puts them on one meal a day and works them down to where they only have to take like a really small amount of the short acting insulin, IIRC like half a unit, he recently quit youtube though, but set up a hot line lol 1-780-898-1878
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Whats hoaxy about this?
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For 166,794 families its not a hoax, mine included.
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And already so many dead.
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I’d like to reach out and break bread with all of the non believers and “hoaxers”.
First - just to be clear on my previous statements.. the pandemic is real, I witness it at work on the regs and it is a big fucking deal.
That being said.. there is a ton of misinformation flying around out there. So much so that anyone who spends ten minutes doing research that they will have cause to be suspicious.
Stop denying that there is a global pandemic that is killing a shit ton of people that would NOT have died last year.
Ask questions like, why are we so unprepared to deal with this? Why isn’t the news reporting on demographics related to deaths? Specifically age, gender, comorbidities etc?
Why haven’t there been a shit ton of scientific studies been done in everyone’s individual country on this disease?
WHY DID CHINA PUT A CLAUSE IN THE TRADE DEAL SIGNED ON JANUARY 15th 2020 STATING THEY ARE BASICALLY EXEPT FROM THE DEAL IN THE EVENT OF AN ACT OF GOD (SUCH AS A PANDEMIC). Yeah. This is true. Clause 7.6 I believe. The fuckers knew, and we got hosed.
I care about the well being of all people. That is why I put up the strong argument stating the COVID be real. I want everyone to have happy productive lives where they don’t die or have their family members die needlessly.
Hamhead. You have the right to question the pandemic. We can be bro’s one day.. but we will need a mediator and 6-12 months of separation. I hope you had a great day at work. 👍🏼
Love and hate will equal out to neutral in the end.
Peace for now.
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Beautiful reconciliation!! / fig leaf / Olive branch.... apt for the start of a FrancoXHamHead Ship of bromance
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Given that the CDC changed the reporting criteria for the Rona on death certificates, to include suspected (i.e. untested) cases, and cases where the Rona was only a contributing factor...
they are not artificially high. coronavirus is causing people with other diseases to die of those diseases. The labs make it very obvious whether or not someone has Covid-19, even without a test. Honestly the tests are shit, the clinical judgment of a doctor is almost certainly a more reliable indicator than the test.
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nobody would have noticed there was a pandemic,
holy fuck you are dumb
No. Are you? You seem unable to think logically about numbers.
Are you usually this obnoxious, or is it the emotional brainwashing making you an obnoxious bedwetter? Try to remain calm and try to accept people have a right to a different opinion, based on wider research than walking through a hospital.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
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Interesting view. Everyone's health is not equal. Some are more deserving of health.
A) i would love to hear YOUR proposal for how we determine who deserves to live and die
B) in a situation where there are more patients than resources, you bet your ass that doctors use the equipment on the people who are more likely to live.
IMO, no one deserves any thing.
What makes one person more deserving than another?
More money?
High IQ?
More children?
Political powers?
Anything that makes one person more deserving than another?
What's that called, discrimination?
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
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Discrimination isn't a bad thing. People discriminate every day. There is a difference, of course, between rational discrimination and irrational discrimination. Discriminating against someone because he/she has stolen from you in the past is rational. Discriminating against someone because he has darker skin is irrational.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said: Discrimination isn't a bad thing. People discriminate every day. There is a difference, of course, between rational discrimination and irrational discrimination. Discriminating against someone because he/she has stolen from you in the past is rational. Discriminating against someone because he has darker skin is irrational.
The only people that don't discriminate are in a vegetative state or dead.
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IMO, no one deserves any thing.
What makes one person more deserving than another?
More money?
High IQ?
More children?
Political powers?
Anything that makes one person more deserving than another?
What's that called, discrimination?
The position we take in medicine is very simple: we are nobody's judge, jury, and executioner. We possess a set of knowledge and skills that enable us to use resources to prevent some people from dying. We use as many resources as we have available to use to maximize the number of people we can prevent from dying. Sometimes the number of people who need medical resources in order to not die exceeds the amount of available resources. In that case, triaging doctors become a "life panel": They attempt to allocate resources in such a way as to minimize total mortality by making predictions about which patients are most likely to recover if interventions are implemented.
It's not up to us to decide who deserves things. We simply try to save as many lives as possible. I'm sure a lot of people who come in with kidney failure "deserve" to be saved more than people who come in with no comorbidities, but in a code black situation, resources will be allocated to the latter person because the former has a much worse prognosis. That is the only kind of discrimination that matters in a triaging situation.
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Enlil said: Discrimination isn't a bad thing. People discriminate every day. There is a difference, of course, between rational discrimination and irrational discrimination. Discriminating against someone because he/she has stolen from you in the past is rational. Discriminating against someone because he has darker skin is irrational.
The only people that don't discriminate are in a vegetative state or dead.
clearly you ain't been in the presence of a taoist hermit!
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: twighead]
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Sandala]
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Can you provide a summary?
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