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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: gopher] * 1
    #26613529 - 04/19/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things

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I watched the whole thing




Yeah.........no.

Also calling things like this a hoax just shows how privileged we really are and it's kind of sad.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26613533 - 04/19/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah but it's under evolutionary pressure to evolve into a more contagious, but less lethal form, so mutations could be a good thing? Hopefully?




No reason for it to be less lethal, its not very lethal as is.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
    #26613540 - 04/19/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Considering I haven't had a flu in probably over ten years, I'm of little concern.

At first I was, but now that more info is coming out, much less so.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
    #26613541 - 04/19/20 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Doesn't need to be a reason for it, other than it has a better chance at replicating and surviving in an even less lethal form.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613555 - 04/19/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just wanted to point out, I'm not a doctor and have zero experience, but a majority of cases are showing only mild symptoms.

Some people are testing positive for covid19 antibodies having never felt ill.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613559 - 04/19/20 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Antibody tests are not yet reliable.

Since this is a coronavirus(which accounts for a good amount of common colds as well), someone who caught a cold can also show that they have antibodies against SARS-COV2. It is not the same thing though.


Let's hope that they get better ASAP because that's a huge part of reopening society.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26613564 - 04/19/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Antibody tests are not yet reliable.




:lolwut:

Then why do them?


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26613567 - 04/19/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Please stop posting things you read on Twitter.

As you just stated. Not a doctor. No experience.

Again, you keep posting facts that are actually not in favor of your borrowed opinions. People being carriers of a disease without symptoms is a BAD thing.  Ever heard of HIV?


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613568 - 04/19/20 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Because, again, they could feasibly lead to society reopening when we have a test with better accuracy.


We need to hone them and improve upon them in order to do so.


Once more this is a new virus. We don't really know shit about it. But please, go ahead and go to the ICU and huff a COVID's patient's breath if you want to go ahead and find out for yourself how bad this can be.


I'm done arguing with someone who's so intentionally obtuse. Gooooooooood luck.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26613583 - 04/19/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm curious to what those actual numbers of flu cases that aren't reported or not even tested for.

How can we say this is worse than a flu when a majority of people aren't tested for flu during a normal season.

How many people get sick and stay home to get better and never are tested for anything?

Now, how many people are getting sick and getting tested due to fear of covid?

How many are tested that come back negative for covid?

Have we got those stats yet???


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613609 - 04/19/20 06:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is definitely the forum to get those answers. 


Fail.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: budmanman]
    #26613621 - 04/19/20 07:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've been skeptical about it since the beggining, it's in my nature to question anything .gov says because from experience, the fact is they lie, a lot.

I've deep dived into research on this since the beggining, lots of 'experts' are questioning it, not only the response but also the science behind it. e.g. 12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

Problem is we cannot prove anything one way or another. We can prove the mainstream media have hyped it all up beyond belief, set-up news reports showing queues outside hospitals, only for citizen reporters to find the hospital was offering free tests the day of the news report, and there was no queues the next day after the report (which kicked off the whole #filmyourhospital thing showing many hospitals empty) We can show MSM used stock footage of dummies in ICUs and passed it off as victims, We can show Media used Italian footage and passed it off as taken in an ICU in NY (They appologised when called out) We can show Newspapers hyped up the first 13yo young person to die of Covid (the picture they used has been used with different names around the world for different things going back to 2017)  we can show the official numbers are fudged, we can show the initial modeling of scarey projections was bunkem (since been revised down  10x).

We will not be able to know how wrong .gov got it until after the fact, by analysing total mortality figures and comparing them to previous years, and even then there will be plausible deniability.

I spent a lot of time looking at the test, they're not all the same test, but they all seem to use the same method, which was never designed for diagnosis, they guy who invented it (winning the nobel prize) says it should never be used for diagnosis, the literature is replete with evidence diagnosis is unreliable.

This is a good summery of the test issue: The PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) testing used cannot isolate a specific coronavirus nor can it determine the viral load and that testing is not being conducted in any case, although numbers are still being produced.​
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No ability to isolate specific coronavirus

PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) testing cannot isolate a specific coronavirus nor the viral load.
(While the moniker "VirusGuy" may undermine credibility to a degree I think we can accept that the poster may be concerned about his job and rather than judge by credentials look at what he says which tends to align with Dr Wolfgang Wodarg's words in link below.)

The ‘gold standard’ in testing for COVID-19 is laboratory isolated/purified coronavirus particles free from any contaminants and particles that look like viruses but are not, that have been proven to be the cause of the syndrome known as COVID-19 and obtained by using proper viral isolation methods and controls (not PCR that is currently being used or Serology /antibody tests which do not detect virus as such).

PCR basically takes a sample of your cells and amplifies any DNA to look for ‘viral sequences’, i.e. bits of non-human DNA that seem to match parts of a known viral genome.

The problem is the test is known not to work.

It uses ‘amplification’ which means taking a very very tiny amount of DNA and growing it exponentially until it can be analysed. Obviously any minute contaminations in the sample will also be amplified leading to potentially gross errors of discovery.

Additionally, it’s only looking for partial viral sequences, not whole genomes, so identifying a single pathogen is next to impossible even if you ignore the other issues.

The Mickey Mouse test kits being sent out to hospitals, at best, tell analysts you have some viral DNA in your cells. Which most of us do, most of the time. It may tell you the viral sequence is related to a specific type of virus – say the huge family of coronavirus. But that’s all.

The idea these kits can isolate a specific virus like COVID-19 is nonsense.

And that’s not even getting into the other issue – viral load.

If you remember the PCR works by amplifying minute amounts of DNA. It therefore is useless at telling you how much virus you may have.

And that’s the only question that really matters when it comes to diagnosing illness. Everyone will have a few virus kicking round in their system at any time, and most will not cause illness because their quantities are too small. For a virus to sicken you you need a lot of it, a massive amount of it. But PCR does not test viral load and therefore can’t determine if an osteogenesis* is present in sufficient quantities to sicken you.

If you feel sick and get a PCR test any random virus DNA might be identified even if they aren’t at all involved in your sickness which leads to false diagnosis.

* Osteogenesis does not seem an appropriate word in the context but I don't know if it has some other meaning here or if it's a typo or if VirusGuy is "controlled opposition" and has introduced an error into his comments. As I know nothing about viruses I'm just trusting his word on it. Of course, I could use other recognised experts but in the situation of a psyop it's difficult to know whom to trust - we can expect misinformation and disinformation. All I can say is that, generally, what VirusGuy says seems reasonable.





From here (worth reading the expanded links IMO) CoronaVirus "Live Exercise", Jan 2020

The response has Bankster/Globalist fingerprints all over it, that doesn't mean it's a hoax tho, they will use any 'crisis' to their advantage, weather they instigated it or not. But throwing $Trillions of public money into Bankster coffers within days of the 'epidempic' is highly suspicious IMO.

Then there's the other side of the coin:


The Chinese reaction seems WAY over the top from the get go, welding people into their homes, dragging people off the streets, bulldozing dirt mounds into road tunnels, in an attempt to stop people escaping Wuhan. Seems they were really scared of something, more than your average SARs epidemic, because for all they knew right from the get go that's all it was, they'd been through it before... unless they knew something different...

This stuff gets scarey TLDR two researchers in Wuhan, paid for by US funding (and Bill Gates) were combining Bat corona visues & HIV in an attempt to make a HIV vaccine, they made one that could work in humans, one of the researchers has disappeared (some think this is patient zero) - it gets worse, they tested a previous version of this vaccine on mice (because these mice had similar lung cell function to humans) and it worked... the first time, curred them of the Bat Corona virus they made along the way, but when the mice were re-infected after being curred the first time, they all died horrible deaths, multiple organ failure.

You can read the long version of that here (there's a couple of posts on the same topic on the same blog): “No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito” – What The Expanse tells us about the COVID-19 pandemic and serial passage gain-of-function research

The argument against the escaped nightmare virus for me is in the numbers of deaths, we ain't seeing enough mortality IMO, BUT we ain't seen a second wave yet, we ain't seen weather people re-infected react the same way the mice did, so who knows.

Would I trust anything Bill Gates has a hand in as a vaccine? Nope. No Way No How.

I will not be having any vaccine if I can at all help it, it would have to be forced upon me. I'd rather take my chances with the Rona.

Do I think it's a hoax? It certainly looks iffy, the World Health Organization estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year and they don't shut down the global economy for that, hospitals cope just fine with that, so why the over reaction for the Rona? Do they know something we don't, or is it being used as a cover for something else (financial)?

Fuck knows. The numbers will tell, way after the fact tho. I'm not worrying about it at all, if I get the sniffles I'll take Zinc & high dose Vit C, like I do for all sniffle bugs, like I did in January when I got a bug that woulda had me diagnoised with the Rona if I had the same damn thing now. 

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Sandala]
    #26613636 - 04/19/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of people are getting sick from something. People dont typically wind up in the hospital from other coronaviruses


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted] * 5
    #26613707 - 04/19/20 07:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s a shame.  But I guess dreaming up wild conspiracies is the best one can do if they know very little but think they understand much.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
    #26613725 - 04/19/20 07:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



Here is another DOCTOR saying he expects covid19 death rates to be on par with what we see during influenza season.

Now, I don't know if he is a MD or has a PHD or what, but a doctor he calls himself and at the end of this short three minute video, he says we have nothing to fear.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26613732 - 04/19/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And yet, his prediction has already been proven to be incorrect.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26613733 - 04/19/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
    #26613737 - 04/19/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

looking at a recent boston obituary... for every person who died of any cause other than covid19 in boston, 1.5 people died of covid19....

and uh, these are the numbers WITH all of the containment measures...



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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26613743 - 04/19/20 07:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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It’s a shame.  But I guess dreaming up wild conspiracies is the best one can do if they know very little but think they understand much.




Something about conspiracy theories is just that, they are theories, not hypothesis.

I could go into some conspiracy theories that have been proven to be true, but I'll let Enlil pull those up.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: morrowasted]
    #26613755 - 04/19/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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um, slightly more people have (already) died of covid19 in the last month than during the whole flu 2019-2020 flu season. 21,000 people died from coronavirus in the USA this past week




Please correct me if these words appear incorrectly arranged. But, are we not still in the 2019-2020 season? Or, is this the 2020-2021 season dealing with covid-19?

Just trying to get these things straight so when I parrot all these things you all are saying, I can be more confident that I am correct.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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