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Is Covid 19 really a hoax? * 1
    #26613131 - 04/19/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.

I agree.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 4
    #26613137 - 04/19/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.




Then presumably he believes the virus is real and not a hoax. Where does the hoax part come in?


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: psi]
    #26613158 - 04/19/20 02:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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psi said:
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According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.




Then presumably he believes the virus is real and not a hoax. Where does the hoax part come in?




That it's any different than many other viruses and we have closed schools and shut down countries like it's going to kill us all.


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The Italian researchers’ findings, published by the INT’s scientific magazine Tumori Journal, show 11.6% of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 had developed coronavirus antibodies well before February.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613177 - 04/19/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well the data seems to suggest that the mortality rate is far higher than the other influenzas that circulate yearly

AKA, if we didn't shut shit down way more people would be dead and these same people would probably not be saying anything at all :shrug:


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 1
    #26613183 - 04/19/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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HamHead said:

According to this scientist, schools should remain open and we should have let this virus spread, like any other flu.

I agree.





How do people still need this explained to them?


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] * 2
    #26613189 - 04/19/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hoax? lol, idk man, I dont think so. Conspiracy people can twist anything to fit anything with their wild guesses and theories.

The death rate is well higher than the standard flu, and it spreads just as fast if not faster, and its overwhelming our medical facilities. The flu is an annual thing thats planned for, prepared for, and supplied for. They anticipate a certain bump in hospital visits and stays stemming from the flu every year and prepare for it in perpetuity. This thing just sprung up suddenly, and its just unfortunate that the person in charge here thinks hes the smartest person in the room, so instead of preparing properly, we got a few months of "its no worse than the flu".


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26613193 - 04/19/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah I think it has become hard to deny that there have been a lot more deaths than normal in certain hard-hit locales.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers]
    #26613194 - 04/19/20 03:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm curious about what's visible under his shirt.
I suspect it's a suit of armor of some sort.
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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers]
    #26613201 - 04/19/20 03:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #26613207 - 04/19/20 03:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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sh4d0ws said:
Well the data seems to suggest that the mortality rate is far higher than the other influenzas that circulate yearly

AKA, if we didn't shut shit down way more people would be dead and these same people would probably not be saying anything at all :shrug:




We don't have accurate numbers, as many deaths are being said to be caused by covid when people have underlying health issues. Also, we won't have totals until after it has rolled through.

Another thing, numbers will be off due to being shut down. If things would have carried on as normal and there was no panic to overwhelm hospitals and those who would otherwise have trouble with illness before all this started died, like they may have anyway, we would have different numbers.

I think the scientists in that video is correct in saying that we are breeding a second wave by forcing people to stay home too soon.

Sutting things down are fucking with the numbers.

Maybe hoax is the wrong word.

What should . . Conspiracy I guess?


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: feevers] * 1
    #26613221 - 04/19/20 03:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ll keep responding to this bullshit. Why? I don’t know. This guy is obviously an asshole. Let me tell you why. In the first 5 minutes of the interview he says that in America and the UK we are trying to flatten the curve. He then states that we will prolong the curve by flattening it. This is correct.

He then says he doesn’t know why we would prolong the amount of time the virus stays in the community...

It’s a very simple reason. By flattening the curve you reduce the amount of people who are exposed in a given time frame. We are doing this because the worldwide healthcare system was not designed to care for all of these extra sick people.


WHAT THAT MEANS IS YOU ALL WOULD BE FUCKED IF THE CORONA VIRUS SPREADs LIKE WILD FIRE.

Hospitals are business. They are designed to handle a relatively constant and predictable amount of sick people year after year. The “novel” or “new” corona virus, COVID 19 is unexpected. It’s not built into the usual equation. Hospital don’t pay for extra resources to sit around being unused just in case a world wide pandemic happens to occur.  This would cost money, hospitals (and most governments)  don’t want to spend money for “just in case”. This is the problem we are facing right now.

How many of you have ever been to a hospital and complained about waiting 5 hours to be seen for abdominal pain or a broken bone? I’m guessing many of you.

Hospital have to provide care to people in a order based on acuity. The sicker you are, the quicker you need to be seen or the higher the chances you will die. People with chest pain (possible heart attacks) or neurological deficits (possible stroke) and breathing problems (such as those with the flu or COVID 19 are seen first.

A sudden influx of “new and unplanned for” sick people destroys this whole plan.  This is why you see places like NYC getting F’d in the B. They can’t handle the influx of new sick people. This in turn means all of the normal sick people, such as you grandmother who just has the flu, or you father who is having a heart attack have a much greater chance of dying simply because there are not enough resources to go around to help them when in ordinary times the hospital would be able to treat and cure them.

It’s a shitty reality. I think it sucks a huge penis. Because the world operates on money. And everyone wants to keep as much money as they can in their pocket, no one planned to have a butt ton of extra sick people this year.

So when this “scientist” says he doesn’t understand why we are trying to slow down the curve I say FUCK him. He is obviously an old asshole who’s education has provided him with an infantile understanding of the world as it exists. 

SLOWING THE RATE IF INFECTION IS GOOD FOR EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD. PERIOD. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK SAYING MORE PEOPLE SHOULD GET SICKER FASTER SHOULD EVER MAKE SENSE.??


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26613243 - 04/19/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hospitals were overwhelmed due to panic. If there were no news and no one had any idea of covid 19, 2020 may have simply been a bad flu year, like has been seen in the past.

When SARS broke out in 2002-2003, what countries locked down?


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: gopher]
    #26613255 - 04/19/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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viruses are not contagious, its just a solvent detoxification and a cold is a bacterial detoxification, only colds are contagious, virus grow in the tissues of the animal, so the only way to catch it is to be injected with the animal tissues, so for example to catch a swine flu, you have to be injected with the tissues of a pig, aids was manmade made in UCLA by combining a bovine virus with a sheep virus, they used to blame the virus on races eg: the spanish flu or the mexican flu, but now they try to blame it on animals when the virus comes from within, by eating junkfood and chemicals and such, if we were to all eat raw and not let people inject things into us we could avoid these things

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I watched the whole thing




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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead]
    #26613257 - 04/19/20 03:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Covid isn't a flu, though.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26613389 - 04/19/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Covid isn't a flu, though.




But influenza is?


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 6
    #26613392 - 04/19/20 04:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah...that's why it's called "flu."  InFLUenza.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: Enlil] * 5
    #26613407 - 04/19/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hamhead. SARS IS NOT COVID 19. Totally different level on transmission and death rates. Apples and oranges.

What’s your background.?

I see these people coming in sick every day. It’s not panic. It’s called acute respiratory failure. Today you feel fine, tomorrow you have COVID 19 and your lungs stop working. These are real human beings who are being brought in by ambulance because they will die without supplemental oxygen and possibly a ventilator to breath for them. 

These are not just old sick people. It’s is effecting 20 year olds with no other medical problems.

Have you seen anyone on the news reporting demographic information? No. Do you know why?  It’s infecting young healthy people and they don’t know why. If they reported those cases to the public you would have a panic. A real panic.

I don’t mind people questioning the whole pandemic. It’s healthy. We should be asking more questions. We should be demanding more studies.  We should be demanding more information.

I’m just here to say this shit is real. It’s a big fucking problem.  Governments world wide are shutting shit down because they have no other options at the moment even though it’s if instantly fucking up the world wide economy. They do not want to shut down. It’s universally bad.

Here is another issue to think about. The corona virus is new. It just made the jump from animals to humans. Viruses mutate. This shit has a higher chance of mutating the more people get infected. Viruses mutate to survive. They get worse, not better. Why do you think the flu virus never goes away? It’s been killing people for hundreds if not thousands of years and we cannot eradicate it. We do our best to control it.

COVID is here to stay, the human population has only known about this particular COVID  strain for a few months. Basically we know it’s highly contagious and way more deadly than the flu.

Even with everyone locked in their houses this shit is spreading and killing people. We don’t know how bad it could get. Caution is a good thing.


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: FrancoAmerican] * 1
    #26613441 - 04/19/20 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hamhead. SARS IS NOT COVID 19. Totally different level on transmission and death rates. Apples and oranges.

I’m an emergency room nurse. What’s your background.?

I see these people coming in sick every day. It’s not panic. It’s called acute respiratory failure. Today you feel fine, tomorrow you have COVID 19 and your lungs stop working. These are real human beings who are being brought in by ambulance because they will die without supplemental oxygen and possibly a ventilator to breath for them. 

These are not just old sick people. It’s is effecting 20 year olds with no other medical problems.

Have you seen anyone on the news reporting demographic information? No. Do you know why?  It’s infecting young healthy people and they don’t know why. If they reported those cases to the public you would have a panic. A real panic.

I don’t mind people questioning the whole pandemic. It’s healthy. We should be asking more questions. We should be demanding more studies.  We should be demanding more information.

I’m just here to say this shit is real. It’s a big fucking problem.  Governments world wide are shutting shit down because they have no other options at the moment even though it’s if instantly fucking up the world wide economy. They do not want to shut down. It’s universally bad.

Here is another issue to think about. The corona virus is new. It just made the jump from animals to humans. Viruses mutate. This shit has a higher chance of mutating the more people get infected. Viruses mutate to survive. They get worse, not better. Why do you think the flu virus never goes away? It’s been killing people for hundreds if not thousands of years and we cannot eradicate it. We do our best to control it.

COVID is here to stay, the human population has only known about this particular COVID  strain for a few months. Basically we know it’s highly contagious and way more deadly than the flu.

Even with everyone locked in their houses this shit is spreading and killing people. We don’t know how bad it could get. Caution is a good thing.



:whathesaid: this is not a hoax and it's not something we have the luxury to call a hoax right now. It's a spit in the face to the dead and to everyone who knows how serious it is and sacrificing. This man along with every other health care worker on the front lines are watching people die alone fast,indiscriminate and an overall hellish death. With almost 800 thousands Americans being infected in 3 months 40,566 dead and rising every day in most cities. Fuck anyone calling this a hoax


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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: HamHead] * 7
    #26613459 - 04/19/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Covid isn't a flu, though.




But influenza is?




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Re: Is Covid 19 really a hoax? [Re: FrancoAmerican]
    #26613460 - 04/19/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

"Influenza is a viral infection that attacks your respiratory system — your nose, throat and lungs. Influenza is commonly called the flu, but it's not the same as stomach "flu" viruses that cause diarrhea and vomiting.

For most people, influenza resolves on its own. But sometimes, influenza and its complications can be deadly. People at higher risk of developing flu complications include: Young children under age 5, and especially those under 12 months
Adults older than age 65
Residents of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities
Pregnant women and women up to two weeks postpartum
People with weakened immune systems
People who have chronic illnesses, such as asthma, heart disease, kidney disease, liver disease and diabetes
People who are very obese, with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or higher
Though the annual influenza vaccine isn't 100 percent effective, it's still your best defense against the flu.

Symptoms
Initially, the flu may seem like a common cold with a runny nose, sneezing and sore throat. But colds usually develop slowly, whereas the flu tends to come on suddenly. And although a cold can be a nuisance, you usually feel much worse with the flu.

Common signs and symptoms of the flu include:

Fever over 100.4 F (38 C)
Aching muscles
Chills and sweats
Headache
Dry, persistent cough
Fatigue and weakness
Nasal congestion
Sore throat
When to see a doctor
Most people who get the flu can treat themselves at home and often don't need to see a doctor.

If you have flu symptoms and are at risk of complications, see your doctor right away. Taking antiviral drugs may reduce the length of your illness and help prevent more-serious problems.

Causes
Flu viruses travel through the air in droplets when someone with the infection coughs, sneezes or talks. You can inhale the droplets directly, or you can pick up the germs from an object — such as a telephone or computer keyboard — and then transfer them to your eyes, nose or mouth.

People with the virus are likely contagious from the day or so before symptoms first appear until about five days after symptoms begin. Children and people with weakened immune systems may be contagious for a slightly longer time.

Influenza viruses are constantly changing, with new strains appearing regularly. If you've had influenza in the past, your body has already made antibodies to fight that particular strain of the virus. If future influenza viruses are similar to those you've encountered before, either by having the disease or by getting vaccinated, those antibodies may prevent infection or lessen its severity.

But antibodies against flu viruses you've encountered in the past can't protect you from new influenza strains that can be very different immunologically from what you had before.

Risk factors
Factors that may increase your risk of developing influenza or its complications include:

Age. Seasonal influenza tends to target children younger than 12 months of age and adults 65 years old or older.
Living or working conditions. People who live or work in facilities with many other residents, such as nursing homes or military barracks, are more likely to develop influenza. People who are hospitalized are also at higher risk.
Weakened immune system. Cancer treatments, anti-rejection drugs, long-term use of steroids, organ transplant, blood cancer or HIV/AIDS can weaken your immune system. This can make it easier for you to catch influenza and may also increase your risk of developing complications.
Chronic illnesses. Chronic conditions, including lung diseases such as asthma, diabetes, heart disease, neurological or neurodevelopmental disease, an airway abnormality, and kidney, liver or blood disease, may increase your risk of influenza complications.

Aspirin use under age 19. People who are younger than 19 years of age and receiving long-term aspirin therapy are at risk of developing Reye's syndrome if infected with influenza.
Pregnancy. Pregnant women are more likely to develop influenza complications, particularly in the second and third trimesters. Women who are up to two weeks postpartum also are more likely to develop influenza-related complications.
Obesity. People with a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or more have an increased risk of complications from the flu.
Complications
If you're young and healthy, seasonal influenza usually isn't serious. Although you may feel miserable while you have it, the flu usually goes away in a week or two with no lasting effects. But children and adults at high risk may develop complications such as: Pneumonia
Bronchitis
Asthma flare-ups
Heart problems
Ear infections
Pneumonia is the most serious complication. For older adults and people with a chronic illness, pneumonia can be deadly.

Prevention
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends annual flu vaccination for everyone age 6 months or older.

Each year's seasonal flu vaccine contains protection from the three or four influenza viruses that are expected to be the most common during that year's flu season. This year, the vaccine will be available as an injection and as a nasal spray.

In recent years, there was concern that the nasal spray vaccine wasn't effective enough against certain types of flu. However, the nasal spray vaccine is expected to be effective in the 2019-2020 season. The nasal spray still isn't recommended for some groups, such as pregnant women, children between 2 and 4 years old with asthma or wheezing, and people who have compromised immune systems.

Most types of flu vaccines contain a small amount of egg protein. If you have a mild egg allergy — you get hives only from eating eggs, for example — you can receive the flu shot without any additional precautions. If you have a severe egg allergy, you should be vaccinated in a medical setting and be supervised by a doctor who is able to recognize and manage severe allergic conditions.

Controlling the spread of infection
The influenza vaccine isn't 100 percent effective, so it's also important to take measures such as these to reduce the spread of infection:

Wash your hands. Thorough and frequent hand-washing is an effective way to prevent many common infections. Or use alcohol-based hand sanitizers if soap and water aren't readily available.
Contain your coughs and sneezes. Cover your mouth and nose when you sneeze or cough. To avoid contaminating your hands, cough or sneeze into a tissue or into the inner crook of your elbow.
Avoid crowds. The flu spreads easily wherever people congregate — in child care centers, schools, office buildings, auditoriums and public transportation. By avoiding crowds during peak flu season, you reduce your chances of infection. And if you're sick, stay home for at least 24 hours after your fever subsides so that you lessen your chance of infecting others."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/symptoms-causes/syc-20351719

"Signs and symptoms of COVID-19 may appear two to 14 days after exposure and can include:

Fever
Cough
Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
Other symptoms can include:

Tiredness
Aches
Runny nose
Sore throat
Headache
Diarrhea
Vomiting...
This is similar to what is seen with other respiratory illnesses, such as influenza."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-causes/syc-20479963

I am seeing a number of similarities between influenza and covid19.

People are going to die, and you are too.

Get over it.


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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing-idUSKBN27V0KF

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