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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26611610 - 04/18/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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oh yeah it's definitely like being a stripper or a soldier or a coal miner right now. you are totally selling your body





Sounds like being a nurse is worse much more of a hazard than any of those jobs...

Morrow, aren't you a nurse or something? Do you know anything about nurses not being allowed to wear masks at the front desk?



i'd take my job over being a coal miner or soldier any day



in response to your specific question about my profession, I plead the fifth


healthcare workers have in fact been royally fucked on PPE but the way that things are set up right now most hospitals barely even need a front desk person. or do you mean a nurse at the nursing station? I mean if you're on a COVID19 ward they wont let you take your mask off no matter where you are. they try to keep all of those people on the same units with negative pressurization to the whole unit and everyone and everything in there is just considered contaminated. but if youre not on one of those units it is silly to be wearing a mask as the nurses station. not to mention uncomfortable. the PPE is coming in now though. we actually have some super fancy p100 masks at work ready to go but it doesnt look like we will ever have to use them.



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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26611627 - 04/18/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Most developing countries will be just fine coming out of this. America, Europe and Japan are going to be in an economic disaster for years. China won't do that bad either.

I heard a good rumour about how during the 2008 economic crisis it was the drug lords of South America that needed to wash money that kept a couple of the banks going. No one was financing shit, but the cocaine kings still had boat loads of cash they needed to put through so there were real transactions to keep the rest of the system afloat. I guess the take away would be not to discount unlikely segments of the economy that will pull through and keep the rest of the system afloat as unlikely as it might seem.

Turns out there are real costs to offshoring everything and streamlining supply chains. The Soviets knew this well. They had some of the highest costs for agriculture out there because every town grew it's own staples of wheat, potatoes, some vegis. There was no mass specialization of producing all the meat for the country in a handful of slaughterhouses. The cost was much greater, but the system was much more resilient because of all the redundancy. Central planning always results in much more redundancy and higher costs because there isn't a streamlined monopoly. So everyone pays more for meat, and you'll eat less of it, but it would be available during the next unlikely crisis.

Going back to the Amazon example, sure Amazon is the king of retail right now, but they are like one solar flare from being turned into nothing. The tail end risk for many systems is extreme, under appreciated and can't be forecast because it hasn't happened before. You can't say if it's a once in 100 years, once in 50 years, or every other decade event because the data set is too small. Black swan events are everywhere.

Once the Covid health crisis is under control there will be massive societal upheavals. If you remember back to the Occupy Wallstreet movement, something like that will happen again. It might be much bigger, leading to more socialism and central planning of political systems in many parts of the world. Protectionism and domestic manufacturing might return to levels not seen since WW2. During the Peloponnesian War there was a plague that killed 2/3's of the people, but during these times of weakness it is a likely time for wars to break out. Iran is crippled from the virus, maybe North Korea, who knows what might play out. I feel the risk of a major war in the next few years in the Post-Virus world is underappreciated.

Finland has had a great pandemic response. As a neighbour to Russia they never forgot the lessons of the past and maintained their massive stockpiles of masks, medical equipment, food and other necessities. It is a waste of money to keep the bunkers full of equipment you need to replenish every 5 years, until you need it and then it pays off. Wimbilton, the tennis tournament paid for pandemic insurance for the last 17 years or something. I forget the amounts they paid, but it was a few million dollars a year and this year because of the cancellation they recouped all of their estimated revenues from a bank. It paid off handsomely compared to others.




I told myself in January to book a therapy appointment so I could get diagnosed so I could avoid the next draft when our demented politicians fuck shit up for us:eek:. But hey maybe if the system fails I can actually make a living selling gourmets eventually.:grin:


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: morrowasted]
    #26611651 - 04/18/20 10:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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in response to your specific question about my profession, I plead the fifth





Ok sorry, I wasn't trying to be overly nosy or personal.  I was more just asking if nurses or anyone working in health care were/are being asked to not wear masks.  I know some businesses were telling employees not to wear masks or gloves for a while which seems ridiculous, so I was asking if it was the same for health care employees


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26611664 - 04/18/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

the reasons behind who gets masks and when are extremely complicated right now

the mask shortage is resolving but no matter what agencies may not want certain people wearing masks in certain places. PPE is more likely to spread the virus than protect anyone if used incorrectly or transported throughout medical facilities haphazardly. administrators need some amount of oversight to contain the virus from coming into the facility.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: morrowasted]
    #26611690 - 04/18/20 10:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dang that's pretty messed up.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26611762 - 04/18/20 11:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Trump!


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: nooneman]
    #26611786 - 04/18/20 11:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks Trump!



Most politicians are crooks. I feel like if you’re over 60 when you take office you don’t really have to face the consequences be they environmental, economic, etc. of whatever policies you choose to pass or vote for. Goes for all branches of the government, Trump sucks but so do most of the democrats and republicans in Congress.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Yeetusdeetus] * 5
    #26612297 - 04/19/20 08:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26612310 - 04/19/20 08:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks Trump!



Most politicians are crooks. I feel like if you’re over 60 when you take office you don’t really have to face the consequences be they environmental, economic, etc. of whatever policies you choose to pass or vote for. Goes for all branches of the government, Trump sucks but so do most of the democrats and republicans in Congress.




If you think about it, it’s telling of the people that put em in office.  The public servants (we the people..) are a reflection of them,  yet it’s conveniently overlooked afterwards.  As if another candidate was voted in, they would be pure of heart or something..

There’s been plenttty of elections to do something else and the same thing occurs.  It’s human nature more than anything.  So..think about that.  public and politicians are two sides of the same coin.  Maybe it’s systematic, maybe it’s the people, probably both.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26612675 - 04/19/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks Trump!



Most politicians are crooks. I feel like if you’re over 60 when you take office you don’t really have to face the consequences be they environmental, economic, etc. of whatever policies you choose to pass or vote for. Goes for all branches of the government, Trump sucks but so do most of the democrats and republicans in Congress.




If you think about it, it’s telling of the people that put em in office.  The public servants (we the people..) are a reflection of them,  yet it’s conveniently overlooked afterwards.  As if another candidate was voted in, they would be pure of heart or something..

There’s been plenttty of elections to do something else and the same thing occurs.  It’s human nature more than anything.  So..think about that.  public and politicians are two sides of the same coin.  Maybe it’s systematic, maybe it’s the people, probably both.




It’s not like we’re really given a choice, the gop and dnc will put in whoever can be bought the easiest despite the vote distribution. I don’t agree with all of Tulsi’s stances but at least she’s calling out some of the  bullshit. If only they could make it illegal for politicians to lie and corporations to act against the well-being of the United States, unfortunately shareholders will always take priority. Sucks that the people who want to be politicians are the ones who are least likely to  represent working class American interests.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Ahab McBathsalts]
    #26612682 - 04/19/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.




I think if you asked people at the beginning of the 2016 election campaigns 90% of the population wouldn’t have chosen Hillary or Trump. Misrepresentation is the name of the game in politics lol.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26612719 - 04/19/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More complex than that.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26612802 - 04/19/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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More complex than that.



Yeah but we already know the two party system is broken. Instead of getting an accurate representation of the population many states either go all red or all blue with the electoral college. The people that are most outspoken will be heard above most moderate voices early on which allows these extremists to weasel their way into the system.

I don’t agree with Bernie on everything but in most other developed countries he’d be considered a moderate. People are constantly pegging him as a socialist that’s gonna take their guns, while graciously accepting their 1200 dollar checks. That 1200 dollars might cover food and rent but what about utilities and car payments. It’d be fine if we just added however many months this thing takes onto the end of the bills,  but workers are expected to pay all missed payments in a lump sum at the end of this crisis even though 80 percent couldn’t afford an unexpected 400 dollar expense BEFORE they lost their jobs, meanwhile banks are getting bailed out even though they make billions in profits every quarter.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Yeetusdeetus]
    #26612820 - 04/19/20 11:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah life’s not fair.  :shrug:

True that the way our system is set up is largely responsible for what we have today.  Structure / Function, never gets old, always stays relevant.  Ours is structured to function the way it has is and has been and will be.  Don’t see how that can change...unless given decades upon decades if not much much more incremental changes over time.  Oh well.  Because of the way it is, when your older and have family and responsibilities (and aren’t extremely wealthy) you end up voting with what’s best for your bank account.  That being said, the next election doesn’t even matter to me, whoever presided over the Oval Office won’t change anything fundamental to my life.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26612890 - 04/19/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happenned to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: morrowasted]
    #26613054 - 04/19/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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it takes 2 years to become a registered nurse




just gonna leave that little tidbit of information there



In Canada it’s a 4 year university course.

Not many of us have 4 years or the tens of thousands of dollars per semester to achieve that.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Zombi3]
    #26613062 - 04/19/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That Ford sounds like a really hoopy frood.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: Zombi3]
    #26613262 - 04/19/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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In Canada it’s a 4 year university course.

Not many of us have 4 years or the tens of thousands of dollars per semester to achieve that.



Here what you can do in about 2 years is RPN. Not quite the same pay grade as an RN though.


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Re: Covid-19 The end of life as we know it [Re: psi]
    #26613366 - 04/19/20 04:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The actual courseload to become an RN can technically be done in 4 semesters (15 months) here. You get an associate degree of nursing which qualifies you to take the NCLEX licensure exam- when you pass that, you are a Registered Nurse. There are some prerequisite courses that you may or may not already have which take 2 semesters at minimum to complete. The 4 semesters of nursing school are generally conducted consecutively over the course of 15 months. An associate degree of nursing limits your scope of potential employers, because Magnet hospitals try to only hire Bachelor level nurses. Clinics and public hospitals hire lots of ADNs. It takes an addition 9 months to get the Bachelor's. You can get hired with an associate's degree at Magnet hospitals, however, if you have another skillset. For example, being fluent in a useful language, or having other certifications like EMT, phlebotomy, etc.


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