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My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma?
    #26612338 - 04/19/20 08:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Did You hear it? Did You See it? Did You Smell it?

No, couse it's in my room. But I'll sow you some Pictures

:flyby:

Is it Monter Cake? Or is it Trichoderma?





Ou, by the way:

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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26612358 - 04/19/20 08:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That green stuff looks like mold to my untrained eyes. It may be bruising too, but I dont have that feeling. The white stuff looks like myc to me :S And in that case (ignoring the green (mold?) issue), there may be issues with FAE maybe? Lets hope someone with better experience comments :smile:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26612402 - 04/19/20 08:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whattefuck2:

Looks like a bacterial issue and/or mutant blobs. Its a mess. Definitely not good....


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #26612419 - 04/19/20 08:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Right... It's been like this for a week, with a Puffy Mycelium.

Isn't it blue?

Should I wait or is there and technique that can prevent this to grow?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26612427 - 04/19/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yikes.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26612429 - 04/19/20 08:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Birthing in a clean FC? I mean a fully colonised cake is fairly hardy against contams initially, could it be there was some exposed sub post birth? That looks bacterial to me.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26612447 - 04/19/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What's a clean FC?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Sockadin] * 2
    #26612462 - 04/19/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What's a clean FC?




FC (Fruiting Chamber) that isnt dirty.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: redhandmat] * 1
    #26612486 - 04/19/20 09:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm really not sure guys... The cake was exposed to the open world of my room for a bit when I migrated it to a different SGFC due to the monster mycelium :eek:

So I'm waitng, right?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26612499 - 04/19/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Was it 100% colonised when you birthed it? Personally, I'd probably get new cakes on the go. But your decisions to make.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 2
    #26612520 - 04/19/20 09:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This would be a good time to notify the cakes family members, and also if you yourself wish to say something to the cake. Maybe mist with sparkling water for the last few times? It's basically just about making it comfortable for the cake from now on, whatever the cake wants it can have, okay? Play some of its favorite music if it liked music or whatever. I remember when my old man became The Father and we spawned him to an outdoor patch we played "Time to say goodbye" by Andrea Bocelli 👌 is a classic, can't go wrong with that. Gl in the near future hopefully with more cakes and perhaps one day one of them goes to the University. I've had my fair share of subs that looked also like stage 4 rabies, never ended up graduating any of them. Jesus I sound so negative, I'm trying to lighted up the mood and say your cake is finito carnal.. Real talk..  :mushroom2::heart:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja] * 3
    #26612536 - 04/19/20 09:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like covid to me.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26612644 - 04/19/20 10:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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This would be a good time to notify the cakes family members, and also if you yourself wish to say something to the cake. Maybe mist with sparkling water for the last few times? It's basically just about making it comfortable for the cake from now on, whatever the cake wants it can have, okay? Play some of its favorite music if it liked music or whatever. I remember when my old man became The Father and we spawned him to an outdoor patch we played "Time to say goodbye" by Andrea Bocelli 👌 is a classic, can't go wrong with that. Gl in the near future hopefully with more cakes and perhaps one day one of them goes to the University. I've had my fair share of subs that looked also like stage 4 rabies, never ended up graduating any of them. Jesus I sound so negative, I'm trying to lighted up the mood and say your cake is finito carnal.. Real talk..  :mushroom2::heart:




Hmm... I'll just pack it into the trash. And throw it away.

Okay, maybe I'll put some grace into it.

And wear my favorite pink skirt!

But after all that effort should I clean the chamber in some way?

Or just spray walls with the alcohol and it'll be good enough to put another little fellow, in it :smile: ?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26612667 - 04/19/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

soap and water wipe it out thoroughly then spray with 70% ISO, good to go  :smile:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26612674 - 04/19/20 10:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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soap and water wipe it out thoroughly then spray with 70% ISO, good to go  :smile:




Thanks, man ^^! Is it okay to spray perlite with 70iso ?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26612703 - 04/19/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I cant see why not, it evaporates quickly, you can however sterilize (?) it in the oven and then re-soak it for re-use if you didn't know.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh] * 2
    #26612712 - 04/19/20 11:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Good idea! Appreciate Your help :heart:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26612814 - 04/19/20 11:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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you can however sterilize it in the oven and then re-soak it for re-use



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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26612901 - 04/19/20 12:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is. Are we taking about sterlizing a plastic tub in the oven?

Back to my original post here, What's a Clean FC? All fruiting is dirty open air fruiting.

The contamination in the cake is bacterial probably from the syringe used during Inoculation.

Your issue is gonna be either a longer PC or steam bath on your next batch or your syringe is carrying bacteria.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Sockadin]
    #26613001 - 04/19/20 01:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Is. Are we taking about sterlizing a plastic tub in the oven?

Back to my original post here, What's a Clean FC? All fruiting is dirty open air fruiting.

The contamination in the cake is bacterial probably from the syringe used during Inoculation.

Your issue is gonna be either a longer PC or steam bath on your next batch or your syringe is carrying bacteria.





No we were talking about sterilizing perlite.

A clean FC (while not being pedantic) would be a fruiting chamber which has been rigorously wiped with soap and water, then sprayed with ISO having removed a contaminated cake; or prior to birthing in the first place.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26613109 - 04/19/20 02:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

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What's a clean FC?




FC (Fruiting Chamber) that isnt dirty.



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A clean FC (while not being pedantic) would be a fruiting chamber which has been rigorously wiped with soap and water, then sprayed with ISO having removed a contaminated cake; or prior to birthing in the first place.




But what is 'dirt' and can it germinate on a healthy cake if it lands on it? Dirt is arbitrary conceptualization of something undesirable. Let's assume dirt is contaminant spores, but they are always in the very water you spray the substrates with daily. Even if you sterilize your water when you mist you'll trap open air in the mist and contaminant spores from the air will land on your substrates which they of course do all the time in open air. How 'clean' can a FC really be in open air that contains natural and seasonal spore count? If we start talking about a SAB then we can approach the definitions of clean and dirty from a slightly different point of view but basically it's the same thing again, nothing inside the SAB where you do sterile work is 'clean' nor 'dirty'. It's either 'still' or 'turbulent' air inside dictating if air currents will carry spores into your sterile work or if the absence of air currents will keep the contaminant Spores floating in stillness sufficiently far away from your sterile work so that they are low risk of touching anything critical.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26613138 - 04/19/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well pedantic went over your head; if I were to have a contaminated cake which is inside my FC, I would first scrub the FC with soap and water, then spray it with ISO for piece of mind before birthing a new cake to said FC. Unexpectedly controversial, I'd further extend this recommendation to others who had a contaminated cake within their FC. :eek:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26613186 - 04/19/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't disagree with you about keeping fruiting chambers nice and tidy, and giving them a thorough rinse like when you do the dishes. By this cleaning method you would have already rinsed out basically all the spores and defatted and rinsed the areas where fragments of the live colony has been in contact with the tub. Tho it wouldn't hurt anything at all to further also wipe thoroughly with ISO the way I see it that process would only sanitize the inside of the tub for a short period of time before the ambient air once again equalized everything back to the natural spore count in your house (the living space always equalizers with outside natural spore count as soon as you open the front door or the windows) my point being is that a sanitized inside of a tub doesn't differ much from an inside wiped clean with soap and with all particles rinsed out. Since all of this is done in open air the air insode the FC will always eventually equalize the amount of contaminant spores inside with or without the substrate. In a way you always return to the original state, cleaned tub with certain amount of contaminant spores everywhere lol. I'm open to being wrong on some points wouldn't be first time I've miscomunicated something, but do you agree with my assessment? I'd like to hear your view as well on that which I described :takingnotes:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26613211 - 04/19/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I apologise if what I had previously said came across as if I was under the impression it would stay sanitized for prolonged amounts of time, on the contrary I completely agree with your assessment. My thoughts behind doing as I suggested would be purely for the 'nightmare' scenario of which, for arguments sake say, you had a very troublesome contamination that has made its way to your cake via a syringe or your sterile technique and thus wanting to do everything within your power to remove any trace of it. Its not only a piece of mind thing but in my opinion good practice, I may go as far as relocate my fruiting area haha! Contaminants in your home air are inescapable, especially working with a SAB, so yeah I do agree with you but also think what I said to be necessary.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh] * 1
    #26613408 - 04/19/20 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No need to apologize :crazy2:, also my intention was not to just disagree with your view, like I said nothing wrong with sanitizing with ISO after having mold in a tub after rising it thoroughly with soap. Maybe it's just me but I sensed that someone reading that might get the impression that tubs contaminate and increase risk of contaminating because they didn't 'use enough ISO' to make the tub 'clean enough' not to contaminate the spawned sub. And I just wanted to clear it up just a bit so it's also obvious that contaminant spores are in bedded in your sub, under your sub and are resting on top of your subs always and will never be an issue with healthy subs.


Altho there is also another component in this that as well actually supports your view on it more and that is the aspect of fragmented LIVE contaminant colonies that can bounce back and wreak havoc even in healthy fully colonized substrates because of their aggressive way of colonizing, and that's totally different from contaminant spores that don't have a place to even germinate on healthy subs. Now I wouldn't be able to say how long a fragment of for example live trich can survive and stay vigorous enough to wreak havoc, and of course this 'fragmented live mold colony-theory' I've been pondering about since hearing about it doesn't Ime seem to resonate with my observations based on the amount of trich farms I ocasionally cultivate and in the same period I cultivate lots of tubs going up to 10 flushes (not kidding, it's a two three mushroom flush but still) the subs look like death itself, half molten and liquified, black stinky yuck, and still no signs of anything other than a dying Cubensis colony. I've thrown away many subs after totally neglecting the tub for the last 3-4 flushes, stop dunking stop listing just kick in a corner and pull fruits out every 5th day or so.


This would indicate that the substrate was close to if not 100% colonized by Cubensis only, and by the sheer amount of total filers I've had with trying to decide if I should just throw the tubs and buy new (can't do that to nature) I just scrape the trich farms out and rinse the tubs with a good brush, hot water and soap, like doing dishes. And when I have good spawn and have taken my time with selecting cultures I'm never really worried about healthy tubs even tho my grow room might still smell mold or the sweet cocoa butter smell whatever the fuck that is lol hate that shit so bad, I believe it's a bacteria. Anyway, still not saying I'm even correct about this assumption/observation but to put it in words you can say I'm not very much afraid of these mysterious and ghost like 'live fragments' (not saying they aren't a thing and have affect on grows) but more saying I haven't gotten that confirmed beyond doubt just yet :typing:


I'd love to hear others views on the live fragments scenarios and how big impact y'all think they might have in practical terms on healthy grows.

(sorry for lengthy post I'd happily read someone else's lengthy about this, it's intriguing to me and wish to learn more and hear other ideas. :thumbup:


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26613452 - 04/19/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with you, it could have been misleading; my initial suggestion pertained to that of having a contaminated cake in that FC in that specific instance, which I would have washed etc before birthing something else. What you say is the case ime, strong, healthy fully colonised sub is hardy against contamination.

When pf teking I didn't really get any contamination on even the most spent cakes, and was never really worried about it either. Its very interesting what you have said about running your subs to ten flushes etc. Today was my first ever agar to grain transfer with intent to do my first shoeboxes. I admit while being a little more concerned for contamination of my boxes I'm not about to let that worry manifest as I can only work with it once its identified, I have no doubt that my grow room is compromised by fragmented live mold colonies, but even so I will just have to wait and see how successful I am. For better or worse valuable experience to be gained.

I believe sub given the opportunity to fully colonise would have a much better chance of resisting contamination how you describe. But I have read a lot of people have really struggled to avoid things like trich once its sporulated within their home, which is why for me should I come face to face with that stuff I'll take no chances, bury the sub in the garden and thoroughly clean grow area and tubs/used utensils etc.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26613684 - 04/19/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Having an unreasonable high spore count in the working area where you do sterile work will definitely affect the overall contaminations that occurs during sterile work. (for the record I'm not even arguing anything at this point with or against you I'm just bouncing my thoughts off of the posts we've made so far) anyway this is a thought that I hold true through my experiences thus far. And that is that I believe that If I for example have one healthy cake in the same chamber as 4 other severely infected sporulating half green cakes, that the healthy cake will be able to share FC with the infected ones even for weeks (for sake of argument now let's assume I'm talking about a newly birthed cake before the first flush) I see that cake being able to sit in the infected chamber for let's say that 4 weeks straight and then eventually be able to produce a normal flush. Tho after picking the first flush (meaning in some ways disrupting the substrate and exposing parts of nutritious substrate with stressed myc that doesn't recover as fast on those spots) , and on top of that dunking the cake (meaning soaking it full of water thus increasing possibility for spread of bacterial colonies) so after first flush with these possible contam vectors such as exposed inner parts of sub without good myc recovery and soaked wet cake i wouldn't be so sure that the otherwise healthy substrate wouldn't be able to be much more succeptable to mold spores germinating on critical weakened parts. I just realized I can theorize about this hypothetically totally pointless btw or I can just take fragments of live mold colonies and gently drop them onto healthy substrates at various stages of growth to see if subs get contammed and if the transfered fragments are the source of the contamination, so for now I'll just give it a rest and STFU and just see for myself through testing the hypothesis instead of talking about it. Thanks for the ball bouncing tho or whatever :cheers:

And I apologize for high jacking this thread I notice now my posts have nothing to do with OP, which I realized now but too late oops. My bad sry


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Mateja]
    #26614277 - 04/20/20 03:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hahah I do believe after a flush the cake goes in to a state of recovery which renders it more susceptible to contamination, being around contaminated cakes undoubtedly raises the chance of contamination occurring but yes I digress haha, sorry op.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26614429 - 04/20/20 06:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

BOOM! Didn't get straight to the point answer but I'm more enlighted than ever! Gonna trust my home boxes more from now :heart:

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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26614434 - 04/20/20 06:06 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Ou BTW: I dont't believe that this cake is contaminated so far. Keep my eye on it and will update.

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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26616811 - 04/21/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Guys,I Think everything is fine if I see 6 pins developing and smelling beautify :smile:?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26616816 - 04/21/20 05:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hope they grow out before it sporulates


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: poisoned]
    #26616823 - 04/21/20 05:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Hope they grow out before it sporulates




What do You mean by that? What will happen?

"Non-sporulating Trich is actually grey although sometimes it's practically transparent. The bright white aerial Trich mycelium only appears when it starts sporulating and it turns green as the spores mature. "

You are sure its Trich?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26616836 - 04/21/20 05:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not 100% sure, but that white is super suspicious


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: poisoned] * 1
    #26616853 - 04/21/20 05:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's just bacterial


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    #26616888 - 04/21/20 06:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Which will probably just lower overall yield of the cake.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26616927 - 04/21/20 06:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks guys, is it possible that the liquid spores were infected?

In what stage something could goes wrong?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26616992 - 04/21/20 07:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Could be, although much more likely your sterile technique was inadequate in my opinion. Did you steam or pressure cook the cakes? Did you flame the syringe between each jar when inoculating? I speculate there is a genetic influence upon a cakes susceptibility to bacterial infection but I have no knowledge or evidence of this being a possibility.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: poisoned]
    #26617063 - 04/21/20 08:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I was gentle as hell ( nice comparison )

Top-Notch Sterilization but after colonization sth could go wrong, I know it. I'm only worried about 10 next Jars that are ready from the same syringe :frown:


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    #26617145 - 04/21/20 08:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just kick out as many jars as possible to maximise chances of successful jars. Ideally get a hold of some agar agar and cook up some plates. Make sure to birth fully colonised.


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    #26617547 - 04/21/20 11:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Always birth after full colonization :smile: thans for advice!


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    #26617575 - 04/21/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You could try doing hippie3 bleack dunk tek before throwing that out. I'd give it at least a try if I were you, I've already had some bacterial issues, but not as serious as yours, but anyways and it worked up well


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    #26617690 - 04/21/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You could try doing hippie3 bleack dunk tek before throwing that out. I'd give it at least a try if I were you, I've already had some bacterial issues, but not as serious as yours, but anyways and it worked up well




I'm ON! But where can I find it?


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    #26618020 - 04/21/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man, appreciate it!


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26619055 - 04/22/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Look at this <3 Is it ready to harvest?

Why the pins developing mostly on the bottom? Is it due to the hydration or that Monster Mic?





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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26619338 - 04/22/20 05:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Veil broke so yeah ready to harvest. I think the cake is under distress and just trying to chuck out what it can from it's compromised nutrient reserve, also I don't think that the monster myc can be considered that of the cubensis mycelium anymore. But yes probably because of the monster myc they're just coming out where it is most likely to grow successfully.


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    #26619380 - 04/22/20 06:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks Htaeh for your help in this thread :smile: Appreciate it


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26619455 - 04/22/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Look at this <3 Is it ready to harvest?

Why the pins developing mostly on the bottom? Is it due to the hydration or that Monster Mic?








Probably fruiting at the bottom due to the alien blobs growing all over the cake! :eek:


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    #26619658 - 04/22/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Right , its almost for sure the reason!

Can I do a second flush with this cake? Soak it with the Monster Mic?


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26619677 - 04/22/20 09:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What's monster mic?

I'd definitely try to push it as long as it wants to go.


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    #26619681 - 04/22/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My personal opinion and or decision would probably be no. But my intrigue to the question says try it and lets see? lol

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What's monster mic?

I'd definitely try to push it as long as it wants to go.




He is referring to the abnormal looking growth on the cake.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: Htaeh]
    #26619691 - 04/22/20 09:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, yeah, definitely dunk it if you're going for another flush. The contaminant is there already anyways.


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: poisoned]
    #26619702 - 04/22/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks! Will try it and update. But meanwhile... Should I harvest those small shrooms if the veil is tearing?




For me it looks like they have few days to mature. Do you have any good resource about harvesting (I've been looking through forum but couldn't find it)


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms] * 1
    #26619705 - 04/22/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's not veils tearing yet. This is cap tearing away from the stem. You should wait a few more days.


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    #26619767 - 04/22/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I have to look for some education about it than... would appreciate any resource but will try to find by myself

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    #26619825 - 04/22/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I used to pick at that point when I was a noob. They sure are more potent when they're like this, haha


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    #26619875 - 04/22/20 11:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay now I know, will be more patient ^^


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Re: My Cake Looks Like Monster - Trichoderma? [Re: PoetryOfShrooms]
    #26626516 - 04/25/20 08:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just noticed that one shroom is broken, Should I take this gentleman off?



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