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genetic gender differences
    #26610610 - 04/18/20 01:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Many more men die during a pandemic because women are genetically superior. For example in Italy, about 71% of the dead are men. Females possess two X chromosomes while males have one. The second X chromosome gives women a stronger immune system, which provides females a big competitive advantage for survival.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26610615 - 04/18/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Care to share sources or why you believe this?

Or is this just opinion stated as fact?


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26610647 - 04/18/20 02:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Scientists and medical researchers have long known men are generally more susceptible to viruses than women. There's a large amount of information and statistical data you can find on the web. Men are genetically disadvantaged in large part because they lack a second X chromosome. Learning and understanding why this occurs is fascinating - many of the mechanisms of what role the second X plays in survival are well known to scientists and immunologists. It could contribute to the fact  women live longer than men.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26610656 - 04/18/20 02:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Care to share sources or why you believe this?




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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26610705 - 04/18/20 02:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Care to share sources or why you believe this?







Fill ya boots.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h2c0

Or search, "Females possess two X chromosomes while males have one. The second X chromosome gives women a stronger immune system".


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26610732 - 04/18/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you are skeptical about this, it would be better if you spent 2 minutes doing a search. There is an overwhelming amount of info about this. We need to do better at educating our children, because stuff like this should be covered in high school Biology class. I've only seem 1 news report that covered this issue.   


Men more than twice as likely to die

Global Health 5050, an organization that promotes gender equality in healthcare, has rounded up the total and partial data that is available from the countries with the highest numbers of confirmed COVID-19 cases.

According to their data gathering, the highest ratio of male to female deaths, as a result of COVID-19, is in Denmark and Greece: 2.1 to 1.

In these countries, men are more than twice as likely to die from COVID-19 as women. In Denmark, 5.7% of the total number of cases confirmed among men have resulted in death, whereas 2.7% of women with confirmed COVID-19 have died


https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sex-differences-in-covid-19#Men-more-than-twice-as-likely-to-die

https://globalhealth5050.org/covid19/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30526-2/fulltext

https://www.france24.com/en/20200331-coronavirus-why-do-more-men-die-of-covid-19-than-women


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26610754 - 04/18/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Are you saying that it’s an X - linked recessive disorder?  That’s confusing, I’m confused.  Or that because of our single X chromosome that men are more at risk.  If so, k.  And.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #26610765 - 04/18/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A simplistic explanation I like is the second X chromosome provides a second set of genes which allows for a more diverse and robust immune response. One scientist described it as women have two sets of immunological defenses while men have one.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26610776 - 04/18/20 02:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ll just say ok.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26610793 - 04/18/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So men's Y chromosome doesn't bring any genes? or not helpful ones?

It seems like having more variance is usually a good thing when it comes to immunity which a Y would bring to the table

I know this doesn't mean much, but of the people I know, the women seem much less healthy in pretty much all ways than the men I know :shrug:


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26610795 - 04/18/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's well known the X chromosome coordinates immunological response.

Are you debating that? It's considered a fact by medical researchers and immunologists.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26610797 - 04/18/20 03:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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So men's Y chromosome doesn't bring any genes? or not helpful ones?




Of course the Y chromosome plays important roles. But these roles are different than the X chromosome.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26610801 - 04/18/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not debating anything. I admittedly don't really know anything about this and am just asking some questions


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26610922 - 04/18/20 04:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wonder if that could also explain why women are much more likely to develop autoimmune disease.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26610930 - 04/18/20 04:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Does any of this explain why women like to call a dude every few months after a breakup just to make sure he's still fucked up over her?


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26611280 - 04/18/20 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Genetically predisposed to fuck men over.


I'm sure if you search the interwebs hard enough you'll find the theory somewhere.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26611289 - 04/18/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

She's trying to fuck you over right now enlil :p

just kidding cookies <3, lockdown sucks, we need some tasty drama lol


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: spirit_shadow] * 2
    #26611321 - 04/18/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cookiecrumbs calls me every three months and tries to sell me propecia from a Canadian pharmacy.  I know it's her, because I always tell her to fuck off, and look at her title under the name.

Coincidence?  I think not.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26611335 - 04/18/20 07:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Many more men die during a pandemic because women are genetically superior. For example in Italy, about 71% of the dead are men. Females possess two X chromosomes while males have one. The second X chromosome gives women a stronger immune system, which provides females a big competitive advantage for survival.






:havesomescience:




Seriously though, I think it's thought to be related to estrogen in addition to the chromosome thingy.

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/02/25/men-coronavirus




Estrogen can cause it's own issues, though, so I wouldn't call it genetic superiority. I'd call it luck :lol:.


And if that theory does hold water than unfortunately women who have gone through menopause are just as at risk as men.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: Enlil]
    #26611346 - 04/18/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Cookiecrumbs calls me every three months and tries to sell me propecia from a Canadian pharmacy.  I know it's her, because I always tell her to fuck off, and look at her title under the name.

Coincidence?  I think not.



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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #26611430 - 04/18/20 08:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:shiftyeyes:


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #26611478 - 04/18/20 08:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

my understanding is that OP is correct


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26611564 - 04/18/20 09:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, for example women are 2 - 3 three times more likely than men to develop multiple sclerosis, and 9 times more likely to develop lupus. Autoimmune disease is when your body's immune system attacks your own tissues & organs. I intended the thread to be about a somewhat different issue - specifically an infectious viral pandemic. We know there are genes for such immunity on the X chromosome, and how having a double set of X's is a stronger (superior) defense system that provides a significant competitive advantage during a pandemic. 

Although humans often fantasize about a utopian "equality", in nature there is none. Every baby boy born on this planet is disadvantaged when it comes to this specific issue. And that's OK. In this age of bashing dominance driven oppressive men for the evil patriarchy they have created, it's good to remember things are never as black and white as we believe. And no - don't expect to hear much about these stats on the network news. That could disturb the misandry we see everywhere and take away from the hyper-focus on white vs black/brown differences.



https://www.statista.com/chart/21345/coronavirus-deaths-by-gender/


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26611571 - 04/18/20 09:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Smells like feminist propaganda


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: D3_Myc] * 1
    #26611593 - 04/18/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I assume you mean feminists are guilty of promoting the utopian equality fantasy?


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 1
    #26611598 - 04/18/20 09:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, it's one of these threads.


:rolleyes:

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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #26611599 - 04/18/20 09:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:thatsracist:


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: D3_Myc]
    #26611604 - 04/18/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quoted from The Lancet article:

"Although sex-disaggregated data for COVID-19 show equal numbers of cases between men and women so far, there seem to be sex differences in mortality and vulnerability to the disease.2 Emerging evidence suggests that more men than women are dying, potentially due to sex-based immunological3 or gendered differences, such as patterns and prevalence of smoking.4 However, current sex-disaggregated data are incomplete, cautioning against early assumptions."

Emphasis mine.

While some of what OP said is fact, the data does not justify, nor even imply, the conclusions drawn.  Men are also more likely to engage in lifestyle choices which greatly enhance mortality of Covid-19.  Example in China men are much more likely to smoke.

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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26611611 - 04/18/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You said this smells like feminist propaganda. Without a single qualification. Please say something of substance. Otherwise you are just making noise like a toddler.

I laugh when people go back to a post they made and delete the post and totally change it - after people have replied to their specific points. WTF is this - kindergarten? It makes for a confusing discussion and greatly reduces the quality of the conversation.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26611615 - 04/18/20 09:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

When did I ever say anything of that nature at all?


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26611620 - 04/18/20 09:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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When did I ever say anything of that nature at all?



I think they're talking to Demonic lol


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    #26611624 - 04/18/20 09:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I used the quick reply text box - as many of us sometimes do.

The comment was made about 6 posts ago. Sorry for the confusion.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #26611628 - 04/18/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No worries :thumbup:


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: BooShow]
    #26611633 - 04/18/20 09:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Who's going back and deleting posts or changing them? “ In this age of bashing dominance driven oppressive men for the evil patriarchy they have created, it's good to remember things are never as black and white as we believe.”

Your words, that’s what makes this smell like you have a feminist superiority agenda


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: D3_Myc]
    #26611635 - 04/18/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey X wanna play with  my Y?


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: D3_Myc]
    #26611813 - 04/19/20 12:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Who's going back and deleting posts or changing them? “ In this age of bashing dominance driven oppressive men for the evil patriarchy they have created, it's good to remember things are never as black and white as we believe.”

Your words, that’s what makes this smell like you have a feminist superiority agenda



I dunno about you but I picked up a hint of sarcasm from that.


Anyway I imagine there is more than one factor. Having autoimmune disease increases your chances of getting deathly ill from an infection. Especially considering a go to treatment for many is immune suppressants.


Also RJ I saw you hit the ask a woman thread and I've been pondering it. I think it's an interesting question and intend to respond. One day...


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26611819 - 04/19/20 12:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Many more men die during a pandemic because women are genetically superior



That escalated quickly.

Obvious troll thread. I have to admit it's been reasonably entertaining as a thread so far though, despite the fact that it's an obvious troll thread. Kindof a throwback too, I haven't seen a troll like this in a while. Aside from that alyssa chick/probably actually a guy.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: nooneman]
    #26611828 - 04/19/20 12:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think it's a troll thread. The numbers suggest men do get it worse :shrug:


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #26611863 - 04/19/20 01:08 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My wife and I had the virus and we both got equally as sick, we both barely got sick.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #26611874 - 04/19/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting theory.

Did you know every man starts out as a woman? That's why we have nipples. Those "carry-over" genes. Women FTW.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #26612003 - 04/19/20 03:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Interesting theory.

Did you know every man starts out as a woman? That's why we have nipples. Those "carry-over" genes. Women FTW.





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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: BooShow]
    #26612046 - 04/19/20 04:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

don't get me wrong, i'm all about the women power, they are objectively the superior gender.

however, I would like to suggest that rather than a genetic cause for the discrepancy in italy, its a cultural one. worldwide there are more male smokers than women, and in italy the disparity between the two is actually rather pronounced particularly in certain age groups.

sauce

now these statistics only cover 2018 but I think it shows a decent example of the ratios of men to women smokers. now we do know that being a smoker, or a former smoker, increases your risk of death to covid.

even if we assume that these same numbers held true going back over the last 30 some odd years (they wouldn't, since smoking rates are also on the decline worldwide, but lets be generous)

that will still mean that in the 50+ age group, who are already at higher risk, you will have a higher number of men who are former smokers than women, increasing their risk even further.


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Re: genetic gender differences [Re: Bjorn_Stormcrow]
    #26612233 - 04/19/20 07:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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now we do know that being a smoker, or a former smoker, increases your risk of death to covid.




False

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While some of what OP said is fact, the data does not justify, nor even imply, the conclusions drawn.  Men are also more likely to engage in lifestyle choices which greatly enhance mortality of Covid-19.  Example in China men are much more likely to smoke.



The article above specifically addresses this


I don't remember the details but I do remember learning in Human Growth and Development that women tend to be more "genetically robust" as a result of having 2 X chromosomes which can translate into a stronger immune system and longer life


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SoulSurfer 2,349 29 08/07/04 02:40 PM
by Jellric
* what the fucks the difference between this and OTD?
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Irishdrunk 2,689 33 04/06/04 10:45 AM
by Innvertigo

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