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1234go
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How do we attract better old members? 5
#26610321 - 04/18/20 12:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel like most of the better old members don't really come around anymore. Of course this doesn't apply to all of the old members that are still present, but a large portion of the better old members have simply vanished.
So how do we attract the higher quality old members?
The only thing I can think of is for the staff to send out a mass message via PM to everyone of the Shroomery as a sort of morale boost. Statistically some of them are likely to be the better, higher quality old members. But the problem is that we're likely to get many more low quality old members as well by doing so.
The other thing I was thinking is: how is the experience of being an old member is different today than it was maybe 10 years ago? I feel like maybe something has changed with the experience of being an old member. Maybe they feel out of place, or unnoticed? Underappreciated perhaps? I don't know...
Anyway, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the subject.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: 1234go] 2
#26610399 - 04/18/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow good thread, kinda makes me want to make an old member appreciation thread
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#26610432 - 04/18/20 12:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know that it's the forum's fault. We come here to learn to grow mushrooms, we stay around to help teach others to grow mushrooms, and to continue learning.
If someone can reliably grow good mushrooms in the quantity they want they don't need to learn any more. They can, there are always things to learn, but they don't need to.
Not everyone enjoys teaching others what they have learned.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: 1234go]
#26610450 - 04/18/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A lot of factors really. One being people change and move on. Like Crystal G and Coaster. The other main reason is banning (they get too comfortable then start breaking rules, that sort of thing).
The last reason could be theres not enough traffic. Perhaps they need more "action" if you will.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 3
#26610455 - 04/18/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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SLOTS should def return
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26610496 - 04/18/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 1
#26610500 - 04/18/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cue people assuming I’m a redneck tiki-torcher in 3, 2...
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114]
#26610507 - 04/18/20 12:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont know what a redneck tiki torcher is but you are a dirty commie! 
Jeff Bezos is not the devil!
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: Tripsurfer]
#26610524 - 04/18/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tripsurfer said: SLOTS should def return 
That'd be cool but it always turned into a shit show. Maybe only allow women to post in it?
And I think the old member appreciation thread would be a great idea! Sticky it in the pub.
Ultimately it's their choice whether to come back or not. I think the best thing we can do is go out of our way more as a community (myself included) and put more effort/imagination in creating interesting and easy threads to join. Maybe if we see all threads being a certain way or about a certain topic, try to change it up.
I know personally that's what I look for occasionally when I check in to the shroomery. Often all the threads feel repetitive.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 3
#26610529 - 04/18/20 01:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
You really think that people are leaving because they can't make racist jokes and go on drunken rants? Even if those things didn't happen frequently, which they do, sounds like a stretch. People are free to say whatever pretty much, if it's dumb or a bad attempt at humor you might get shot down by other members but that's life.
I've been a member on dozens of forums and this place is by far the laxest in terms of moderation. It's probably like once or twice a month I see something that's not spam get deleted/post-edited or someone get banned.
I think people just get older and start doing drugs less often, so the draw to come back here lessens for some. There are many places for non drug-based general discussion that are far more active than here.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: Tripsurfer] 1
#26610541 - 04/18/20 01:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Babylon
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 3
#26610598 - 04/18/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
That's a really weird definition of a safe space. You have the freedom to be offensive, but nobody has the freedom to offend you in return?
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feevers]
#26610603 - 04/18/20 01:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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feevers said:
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feldman114 said: No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
You really think that people are leaving because they can't make racist jokes and go on drunken rants? Even if those things didn't happen frequently, which they do, sounds like a stretch. People are free to say whatever pretty much, if it's dumb or a bad attempt at humor you might get shot down by other members but that's life.
I've been a member on dozens of forums and this place is by far the laxest in terms of moderation. It's probably like once or twice a month I see something that's not spam get deleted/post-edited or someone get banned.
I think people just get older and start doing drugs less often, so the draw to come back here lessens for some. There are many places for non drug-based general discussion that are far more active than here.
I wasn’t talking about moderation or rules. For lack of a better word, the “vibe” of the site changed course. Peace & Love is a great “vibe” but, in excess, it translates into diminished freedom of expression. Again, I am talking about increased social pressure, not some official rule change.
I usually never take this side of the ‘freedom vs equality’ debate. But the question was why old-timers are pulling an exodus. (Btw, here’s an example - why do I feel compelled to make this disclaimer? Cause I gotta think I’ll be labeled a bigot for expressing a non-bigoted sentiment)
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: Babylon]
#26610608 - 04/18/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Babylon said:
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feldman114 said: No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
That's a really weird definition of a safe space. You have the freedom to be offensive, but nobody has the freedom to offend you in return?
Haha, here we go. Where did I say I don’t want to be offended in return? I never said that. You are lying.
Hope at least some of you peeps see what I’m saying...
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114]
#26610621 - 04/18/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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shitposting has run its course
its very boring now
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Babylon
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 2
#26610623 - 04/18/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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"A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself."
That right there is where you say it. A place where you could make a racist joke without people coming after you for it. That sounds safe for racists, but not safe for people who don't like racism. Personally I prefer an unsafe space, where you can make a racist joke and anyone who wishes can tell you what a piece of shit you are for such a shitty sense of humor. I can see that being a much less welcoming place for racists, but I also don't want to suggest that any of the old members who are no longer with us are racists. I have been reading through old threads in my quest to learn as much as possible and one thing I see a lot of is disagreement, mostly about methods of growing mushrooms, but also about politics and philosophy of many sorts. I certainly see people get butthurt over those disagreements, but more than that I see people learning from them. I haven't seen any less disagreement recently, nor, for that matter, have I seen any less racism, mostly anti-semitism.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 1
#26610624 - 04/18/20 01:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I take it you never been to OTD? lol
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: feldman114] 2
#26610630 - 04/18/20 01:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Get them back into drugs?
Honestly people just grow out of the shroomery.
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feldman114 said: No one thinks the old-timer exodus has anything to do with the PC-fying of the Pube & the Pube-adjacent boards?
This used to be a 100% safe space. A place where you could make a racist joke without having to defend yourself. A place where you weren’t judged by that drunken rant you went on that one time those several times. A place where trashy-ness was seen for the virtue that it is!!!
Not saying it’s a Shroomery-only problem, but I think many people need an escape from the compulsory self-censoring we now have to do online. And this place has forsaken its potential for fulfilling that need.
A bulk of the demographic that stuck around while having no interest in any of the psychedelic or drug aspects of the shroomery were indeed those that enjoyed being able to so some serious off color shit.
Though I think that was a less of a problem than the members feeling like they had to deal with that themselves.
That's still a problem to a smaller extent but that's because the shroomery is still evolving it's rules. Or rather trying to garner a consistent interpretation of them.
You know what happens when 1, 2, 3, 4 mods lets something slide and then the 5th comes in and, because of personal philosophy, decides something's over the line?
It encourages warring factions where the staff is involved.
And that's problematic as fuck.
And that's why there had to be a "PC-fying" as you call it. The community was just becoming hateful. And there's no other word for it.
And tbh there was some days, after being roped into arguments that just seemed childish to me, being asked "why'd so and so get banned but not so and so?" all the time and having to break up petty fights, all the time, I just wanted to ban the whole fucking lot of you.
Our compromise was actually enforcing a consistency of sorts and actually dealing with our biggest troublemakers.
If you want you can blame the polarizing of the political climate. I do. In part.
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26610632 - 04/18/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do the exact opposite of the "how to attract better newer members" thread
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Re: How do we attract better old members? [Re: CookieCrumbs] 3
#26610636 - 04/18/20 01:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Being caught up in online arguments is a terrible way to spend a day
If a forum community becomes "hateful" and then decides this is one of its best characteristics, well that's not the best place to spend your daily time, imo anyway
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