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Dehydrator Temperature 1
#26610162 - 04/18/20 10:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most agree that a food dehydrator is the best option for drying mushrooms for long term storage.
And I think most would agree that heat does not degrade the mushrooms while drying; it’s the length of time they are exposed to the air.
So I’m after a general consensus; what temperature do you dry at, and for how long? Do you cut the mushrooms up or any kind of processing before drying?
Thanks in advance, DJ Ed
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: DJ Ed] 1
#26610173 - 04/18/20 11:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.
Reason: Mush Cult topic.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26610199 - 04/18/20 11:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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165 (highest my dehydrator goes) until they are dry as a bone (could be 2 hours for small ones, 6 hours for monsters).
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Growtech]
#26610221 - 04/18/20 11:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting. I was just thinking about this yesterday. I thought low and slow would be better. Wouldn't the geat degrade the psilocybin? Any benefit then to getting it pretty dry and then packing it in a jar with silica packets?
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Growtech]
#26610225 - 04/18/20 11:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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No way. Are you telling me that my sourcing of a dehydrator which had the lowest heat setting of 35 degrees was based off outdated information?! No longer will I have to wait almost a whole 14hours to get that bone dry goodness.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh]
#26610297 - 04/18/20 11:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The highest temp on a dehydrator isn’t going to hurt the psilocybin. Them being in open air will degrade them more (which is also negligible). You can make tea with boiling water just fine which is hotter than a dehydrator will get. Anyone that tells you to dehydrate on a lower/slower setting is silly.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh]
#26610305 - 04/18/20 11:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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My thinner ones usually can finish up in 12 hours but I like to leave in longer. I read a thread from mushboy that they can get cracker dry in less time but when placed in a bag they will soften over time. I usually tape a silica packet in the bag but even that idk if it will keep them perfect. I’ll link the thread. Also run dehydrator as high as it goes won’t mess with potency air and moisture break them down thus degrading potency. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23782274/fpart/all/vc/1
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Growtech]
#26610312 - 04/18/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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To be fair its just what I read, and in fact at the time of reading I did find some other sources claiming psilocybin has a very high heat resistance. So I just went with caution. I'll be sure to crank that dehydrator up high from here on out though.
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Myc097 said: My thinner ones usually can finish up in 12 hours but I like to leave in longer. I read a thread from mushboy that they can get cracker dry in less time but when placed in a bag they will soften over time. I usually tape a silica packet in the bag but even that idk if it will keep them perfect. I’ll link the thread. Also run dehydrator as high as it goes won’t mess with potency air and moisture break them down thus degrading potency. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23782274/fpart/all/vc/1
Thanks mate, I plan on powdering them soon but I have kept all the desiccant I come across for keeping the dry, dry.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh] 1
#26610325 - 04/18/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol my gf works at a craft store and their everywhere so I have her collect them at the end of her shift works out good 😂 and No problem good luck with your future grows!!
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh]
#26610326 - 04/18/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is a hotly debated topic. Not only between drying mediums but even among those who use these common, household food dehydrators. There doesn't seem to be an answer. For me, I dried two batches, in the process of doing my second actually, and my first time I did it for 24 hours. I am an hour into said drying, so I will check the shrooms in a few hours in case 24 hours is too much. But I really wish we could get something remotely resembling a consensus on this.
My dehydrator has only one setting, and while I couldn't find my exact model on Google, the ones that look exactly like mine (Same frame, colors of trays, color of bottom, and even on/off button placement) all seem to have a temperatures in the 170's.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh]
#26610327 - 04/18/20 12:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whatever the max setting is dries them asap
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26610385 - 04/18/20 12:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: This is a hotly debated topic. Not only between drying mediums but even among those who use these common, household food dehydrators. There doesn't seem to be an answer. For me, I dried two batches, in the process of doing my second actually, and my first time I did it for 24 hours. I am an hour into said drying, so I will check the shrooms in a few hours in case 24 hours is too much. But I really wish we could get something remotely resembling a consensus on this.
My dehydrator has only one setting, and while I couldn't find my exact model on Google, the ones that look exactly like mine (Same frame, colors of trays, color of bottom, and even on/off button placement) all seem to have a temperatures in the 170's.
There is a consensus, it's just that some people somehow still don't know about it. And so, this topic still comes up daily. It's kinda amazing.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LadysKnight]
#26610778 - 04/18/20 03:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Side note... investing in a good dehydrator was one of the best things I did. I’ve never had to run more than 6 hours (and those were for giant monsters, not cut up). Normal sized stuff is cracker dry in 3 hours.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Growtech]
#26610796 - 04/18/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea a -rear fan/rear heat- dehy is the best investment you can make. I use 2 of the Aroma Nutriware [kinda like an excaliber] from Amazon only like $140 each
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: shevanel]
#26610816 - 04/18/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your shrooms are even fairly large, I would just do a 24 hour dry cycle @ 160F to be sure
I have done 12 hours before and a week or two later they are turning limp in the bag. If you ensure they dry fully first time around this won't happen. Also store with desiccant packs if you can, that is a game changer if you live in a humid area and need to store fruits for more than a few months

Also, if you don't wanna store them, you can give them out for free to all your friends stuck in lockdown 
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26610819 - 04/18/20 03:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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FWIW I own an excalibur and I still recommend the 24 hours
but I guess maybe everyone has a different experience it seems lol
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: sh4d0ws]
#26610920 - 04/18/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mine usually dries everything within 18 hrs at 70C. Highest setting is 80C only the real monsters need a bit longer sometimes. Keep the dried shrooms in ikea ziplick bags with a few desiccant packs thrown in and they keep cracker dry for a long time. We also keep them out of any light but I'm unsure if that is even necessary
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Tweeq]
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LadysKnight]
#26611050 - 04/18/20 05:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LadysKnight said: There is a consensus, it's just that some people somehow still don't know about it. And so, this topic still comes up daily. It's kinda amazing.
Okay, then just to dot my i's and cross my t's, what is that consensus? I am very new at this, and in the middle of my first grow. So, electric dehydrator best or one of the best? Drying temp, say in the 170's F, good, optimum? And most importantly, because I think I know the answer to the first two questions, what is the time for drying in one of these food dehydrators?
I have read 24 hours, I have read 4 hours, and pretty much everything in between.
Oh, and if there really is a consensus, is there some kind of empirical data? Or is all or most of this anecdotal evidence? Not trying to be an ass, but I honestly don't know the answer, and having read so many varied, opinions, many of them contradictory to one another, I would like to know what the truth is, and what the basis of determining that this, indeed, really is the truth.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26611071 - 04/18/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Use max temp in your dehy for drying asap. What dont you understand
Its drying vegetables not cooking meth
Ok maybe not veggies but just trying to make it as kindergarten as possible
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26611079 - 04/18/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You'll often find there is no one correct answer in this hobby for many things. People mostly give you their experience and until you try things out yourself you wont find definitive answers to your questions. I believe the general consensus of the mush drying temps is higher temperatures do not damage potency and obviously dries them quicker so whether you invest in a dehydrator or just use desiccant is really just up to what you want to do.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Htaeh]
#26611095 - 04/18/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have a food-dehydrator, and I use desiccants, but what I was alluding to above mostly, is that there doesn’t seem to be any agreement on time. Even in this thread, we have people asserting times like four hours only, some saying they dry for 24 hours in the dehydrator, and drying times in between the two. I’m just trying to get a grasp on what is recommended, because as I said originally, there does not seem to be any sort of consensus on the drying time.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26611106 - 04/18/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I understand, well again in my experience, sometimes I've had decent sized mushrooms bone dry under 12 hours, but only to rehydrate to some degree at some point thereafter which is probably why people recommend a full 24 hours to ensure absolutely no moisture inside them at all. Beyond that, as each mushies water content differs its probably hard to give an exact timing.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26611130 - 04/18/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: I have a food-dehydrator, and I use desiccants, but what I was alluding to above mostly, is that there doesn’t seem to be any agreement on time. Even in this thread, we have people asserting times like four hours only, some saying they dry for 24 hours in the dehydrator, and drying times in between the two. I’m just trying to get a grasp on what is recommended, because as I said originally, there does not seem to be any sort of consensus on the drying time.
Not everyone is using same dehydrators, same size mushrooms, same RH, same time logging etc etc
After you dry a few lbs of mushrooms youll start to know how long theyll need
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26611138 - 04/18/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The consensus is to use a dehydrator, as hot as possible and for as long as it takes to get them as dry as possible. How dry and how long are variables you'll have to work out for yourself, asthey are highly personal, eg your climate, how large/thick the fruits, how full the dehydrator, the type/brand of dehydrator, etc.
The ultimate is to periodically weigh your thickest/biggest fruit until it no longer loses weight. Do I bother with that? No. I run my Excalibur for 24 hours, unless I'm drying monsters, I'll let it go for 36. Where did I get this emperical data? Same place I got the rest. From standing on the shoulders of giants. You cannot over-dry them. You do not want to under-dry them. The compromise is yours to find.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: LadysKnight] 2
#26611916 - 04/19/20 01:48 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok ladies and gents,
Thank you very much for your considered replies. I thought I knew what the answers would be before I checked, but asked anyway to be sure.
The reason being, I’ve grown mushrooms for years, and had great success with multi-spore grows (lucky?). I dried them with a fan, hanging in racks for 5 to 7 days, before moving to a large desiccant chamber for a few more days. This would never bring the RH down below 10%. I would then store in bags or tubs in the freezer, with desiccant sachets in the tubs.
I have stocks still of some of these that are over 5 years old and are still potent.
Then before Christmas I bought myself a food dehydrator. Don’t get me wrong it is the most convenient mushroom equipment I’ve ever bought. I have dried a few batches at 70 deg C in under 4 hours then stored, as per usual, in bags and tubs with desiccant in the freezer.
My last harvests, from golden teacher and then Mazatapec, have been really weak.
So feeling better about my dehydrator; sounds like I’ve had two unlucky multi spore grows.
More spore sysringes coming this week, and some agar work ahead then.....
Mush love DJ Ed
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: DJ Ed]
#26615358 - 04/20/20 01:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good suggestions for dehydrators? Mine went out on me and since we're on the topic, what KIND of dehydrators do you all have? I have a nesco and it sucks. I have recently purchased a presto dehydrator and hopefully it works better.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: mushhead]
#26615422 - 04/20/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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160 here, my dehydrator uses forced air circulation. Dehydrator designs vary, the inexpensive bottom coil ones can take much longer, then say, my forced air, circulation dehydrators. I know some that go 24 hours, but I can load mine down, ( about 1/2 lb dried after), done in 7. Cracker dry. Now, I'm in a very dry climate, if I took my dehydrator to Florida,it could take 10 hours, because the dehydrator is pulling in very humid air. Dry until cracker dry, let sitfor a day, ziplock etc, be certain still cracker dry before sealing, or going into storage. Time doesn't matter ( in hours)cracker dry does. (Unless it's taking 24+ hours to dry, certainly don't to be drying for a week);
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: mushhead]
#26616149 - 04/20/20 07:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushhead said: Good suggestions for dehydrators? Mine went out on me and since we're on the topic, what KIND of dehydrators do you all have? I have a nesco and it sucks. I have recently purchased a presto dehydrator and hopefully it works better.
I found an Excalibur for cheap on Craigslist locally, and I'll never go back to shitty dehydrators. So much better and faster...
Knowing what I know now after using one, I'd probably buy one new if I needed one. Basically can dehydrate stuff in 3 hours that would take 12 hours in my old shitty dehydrator.
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Re: Dehydrator Temperature (moved) [Re: Growtech]
#26616196 - 04/20/20 07:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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160°F for 24 hours. I don't care if you have 3 mushrooms on the trays or 200. Just Run them for that time period and don't think about it. Trust me you'll run that thing for 12 or 15 hours thinking that they're completely dry but they're actually not. 160 FOR 24 HOURS!!!! Get a vacuum sealer and some desiccant packs put then in the freezer and those fuckers will last for a REALLY REALLY long time!!
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