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OfflineStable Genius
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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26608389 - 04/17/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The fallout from Patriot Act was felt even over here, with airport security for example. I doubt this is anything like that.

It's an app that collects GPS co-ordinates, big deal, I have a couple of apps I use for work that do exactly that now. Google does it every day if you allow it to access your location.

Anyone ever delete an app before? You can still do it :flowstone:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26608396 - 04/17/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The most likely system would not actually be a phone app. That's just how other countries have done it.

From what kushie's been plotting, it looks like the government is basically going to create a "national security" loophole in HIPPA, and require that all medical records get submitted to the government for tracking.

Technically, they can already use "national security" to look at patient records, but it takes place on a case by case basis and requires a judge to sign off. They're just going to remove the requirement for a judge to sign off and make all medical records open to the government upon request as part of a national database of health records.




This may not apply to Aus, but you guys have had the Liberals running the show for longer than I'd care for.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26608434 - 04/17/20 03:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

People sell their personal lives for a coupon code, you will get no push back. I want a clean bill of health tracking app, brought to you by your favorite government contractor.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26608449 - 04/17/20 03:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Lol true, me too... not much we can do about it at the moment though.

I think our conservative god-bothering Prime Minister is doing a reasonable job.

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Should I be worried about the privacy implications?

Always. But there isn’t as yet enough detail about how it would work in Australia to know what the implications are. Morrison said he was pushing for greater privacy protections than the Singapore model.

“The reason we are not quite ready yet is we are still working through ensuring that it meets the privacy protections, which are robust and up to a standard that we believe is necessary for the Australian context, and that is what the attorney general is working on right now,” he said.

Privacy experts have warned the app needs to be more decentralised, so that the central servers that store the IDs do not become honeypots for potential hackers.

Government services minister Stuart Robert said the app was going through a privacy impact assessment with the help of the Australian Cyber Security Centre.

When pressed for more detail, his office declined to comment.




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26608507 - 04/17/20 04:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said:
Looks like we might have another case of the government using a crisis as a pretext for infringing on our rights... i don't like it




Then don't vote for republicans. Who was it that passed the PATRIOT Act?



Im all for the maximum amount of rights and autonomy. But do you really think that if the Democrats had held office during 9/11 that the Patriot act wouldn't have been passed?




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods]
    #26608555 - 04/17/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said:
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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said:
Looks like we might have another case of the government using a crisis as a pretext for infringing on our rights... i don't like it




Then don't vote for republicans. Who was it that passed the PATRIOT Act?



Im all for the maximum amount of rights and autonomy. But do you really think that if the Democrats had held office during 9/11 that the Patriot act wouldn't have been passed?




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The next day, the Act passed the House by a vote of 357–66,[4] with Democrats comprising the overwhelming portion of dissent.




Yes.

Of course, it's all speculation, and speculation has a way of becoming rationalization.

"Well, Trump might not be great, but KILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE! BUTTERY MALES! BUTTERY MALES!"




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MagicMush123 said:
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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said:
Looks like we might have another case of the government using a crisis as a pretext for infringing on our rights... i don't like it




Then don't vote for republicans. Who was it that passed the PATRIOT Act?



Im all for the maximum amount of rights and autonomy. But do you really think that if the Democrats had held office during 9/11 that the Patriot act wouldn't have been passed?




Yes





Well, considering that the vast majority of Democrats voted "yes", im sure it would have passed anyway :shrug:


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: koods] * 2
    #26608559 - 04/17/20 04:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How is that not a total failure?





One thing that has stood out is Trump being unable to understand this from a level that isn't focused on himself.

This stand off with with state governors... There is almost zero political nuance to his approach, other than not wanting himself to look bad.
His low ball political point scoring is cringe worthy and disappointing to watch.

To be fair, the U.S. was always going to be hit hard, same as Great Britain, France, Spain, Italy but Trump has not been able to come up to speed with the leadership and strategy required.

Endorsing the people protesting the lock downs... if that doesn't illustrate his level of pathetic navel gazing self absorbtion nothing will.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26608884 - 04/17/20 07:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)



Yea, why? Its almost as if...






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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Stable Genius] * 3
    #26608919 - 04/17/20 07:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Stable Genius said:This stand off with with state governors... There is almost zero political nuance to his approach, other than not wanting himself to look bad.
His low ball political point scoring is cringe worthy and disappointing to watch.




Speaking of cringe worthy, his mannerisms look like they should be coming from some snide bitchy teenage girl


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To be fair, the U.S. was always going to be hit hard, same as Great Britain, France, Spain, Italy but Trump has not been able to come up to speed with the leadership and strategy required.

Endorsing the people protesting the lock downs... if that doesn't illustrate his level of pathetic navel gazing self absorbtion nothing will.




:chump: What do you mean, everything's great! We're doing a fantastic job. It's just fantastic and we're doing a terrific terrific job, there was no room for improvement in the job I did and I'm winning against the corona better than any other country in the world..

:billythumbdown: why else would the numbers look like this?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26608933 - 04/17/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Literally everything trump says about the virus is either inaccurate of misleading


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang]
    #26608988 - 04/17/20 08:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Literally everything trump says about the virus is either inaccurate of misleading











you were saying?


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: MagicMush123] * 2
    #26609042 - 04/17/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not defending WHO, I'm saying trump doesn't have room to talk about being misleading or inaccurate


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang] * 2
    #26609086 - 04/17/20 08:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just because Trump is a moron doesn't mean he shouldn't call out the WHO

Yeah he should take some responsibility for some of the mistakes he made, but you and I both know that won't happen, so why even bother?

WHO on the other hand, yeah I think they should be held accountable. They are likely responsible for a lot of peoples deaths.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #26609106 - 04/17/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just because Trump is a moron doesn't mean he shouldn't call out the WHO




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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26609107 - 04/17/20 08:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm not defending WHO, I'm saying trump doesn't have room to talk about being misleading or inaccurate



You should be more worried that a governing body such as the who are politicizing a health organization and lying to people. They should be held accountable. The who gave the world inaccurate information and played favorites with china. The who should be impartial and work for the betterment of the world, and not puppet for ANY country... politicians are career liars, but they should absolutely call spades, spades.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: MagicMush123]
    #26609130 - 04/17/20 09:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You should be more worried that a governing body such as the who are politicizing a health organization and lying to people. They should be held accountable. The who gave the world inaccurate information and played favorites with china. The who should be impartial and work for the betterment of the world, and not puppet for ANY country... politicians are career liars, but they should absolutely call spades, spades.




Everyone in politics is likely politicizing it to some degree and I'm pretty sure they all lie about things.

I agree corruption should be punished but the system is fucked and true justice will never happen.

Maybe you've seen things I haven't but I thought WHO was trying to raise the alarm a long time ago (Dec?)


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26609197 - 04/17/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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MagicMush123 said:
You should be more worried that a governing body such as the who are politicizing a health organization and lying to people. They should be held accountable. The who gave the world inaccurate information and played favorites with china. The who should be impartial and work for the betterment of the world, and not puppet for ANY country... politicians are career liars, but they should absolutely call spades, spades.




Everyone in politics is likely politicizing it to some degree and I'm pretty sure they all lie about things.

I agree corruption should be punished but the system is fucked and true justice will never happen.

Maybe you've seen things I haven't but I thought WHO was trying to raise the alarm a long time ago (Dec?)



Nah. For weeks/months the who downplayed and dismissed the possibility of human to human spreading,blocked Taiwan from the who and ignored their findings( they nipped the virus the quickest of any country and credited not listening to who advice :lol:),  advised agianst China travel bans,urged countries to keep their borders open and advised people to not wear face masks unless they were sick. I probably missed a bunch of points but the who definitely wasn't raising the alarm bells in December. They actually waited until mar 11 the raise the alarm


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: Kryptos]
    #26609594 - 04/18/20 04:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I dont even think they could make it mandatory...




The most likely system would not actually be a phone app. That's just how other countries have done it.

From what kushie's been plotting, it looks like the government is basically going to create a "national security" loophole in HIPPA, and require that all medical records get submitted to the government for tracking.

Technically, they can already use "national security" to look at patient records, but it takes place on a case by case basis and requires a judge to sign off. They're just going to remove the requirement for a judge to sign off and make all medical records open to the government upon request as part of a national database of health records.




I agree, and I don't think it will be voluntary. I just hope the invasion of privacy doesn't go beyond what we are dealing with right now. I personally will accept a little invasion of privacy (but I'm carrying a work letter certifying that I'm essential, LOL). Others will strongly disagree which is understandable.


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #26609610 - 04/18/20 05:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
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MagicMush123 said:
Looks like we might have another case of the government using a crisis as a pretext for infringing on our rights... i don't like it




Then don't vote for republicans. Who was it that passed the PATRIOT Act?



Im all for the maximum amount of rights and autonomy. But do you really think that if the Democrats had held office during 9/11 that the Patriot act wouldn't have been passed?




I think the Democrats would have passed something similar. I don't think they would have abused it as bad, but to what extent is an open question.

We were torturing people just to torture them, and it wasn't getting us any closer to Bin Laden. We also raped a lot of prisoners in Abu Ghraib including children, cause that's how you fight a terror war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse


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Re: Coronavirus Chat [Re: TheStallionMang] * 1
    #26609626 - 04/18/20 05:25 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Literally everything trump says about the virus is either inaccurate of misleading




The video in your other post of Cuomo tearing Trump a new one with some facts is gold  :thumbup: had to post it again

Trump is way out of his depth :awesomenod:




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