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InfraredRick
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Bluing as an indicator of potency? 1
#26608826 - 04/17/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hiya folks. Just harvested a tub of PESA, first experience with that variety. Fruits in dehydrator. Pretty noobie, maybe my 10th tub. But this one is different; the "stumps" flashed so deep blue, almost black, after cutting. Is this an indicator of extra potent or am I just hoping? Thanks for your ideas!

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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: InfraredRick]
#26608830 - 04/17/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe. I know some of my most fantastical ttrips were from shrooms that could bruise heavily. Ones that didnt bruise at all [not even fresh in a tea] were good too. So who knows.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: shevanel]
#26608932 - 04/17/20 07:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive got GT that blue a lot. They are meh potency. I have APE that look like the inside of a blue highlighter, strong as fuck. Then I have some rusty whyte that don't hardly blue at all, and are somewhere in between. The math doesn't add up.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Smartattack]
#26608948 - 04/17/20 07:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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From what I’ve read bruising is not related to potency.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: staytrippy420]
#26609023 - 04/17/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought they all bruised blue, never seen them not
You want them to be stronger? Try colder temps if you can and see how they go.
Let me know if you try
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Enkidu]
#26609032 - 04/17/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive definitely pulled some rusty whyte that didn't blue at all even after cutting, yet were still quite strong. So personal experience tells me not to pay much attention to that. With APE the bluing seems to coincide with potency so i got no idea WTF is going on with that.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Smartattack]
#26609040 - 04/17/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn thats crazy they dont bruise
I think i have some RW prints from a board member
Been so busy laat year or so havent done new grows with anything new. Really been wanting to start back up soon
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Enkidu]
#26609048 - 04/17/20 08:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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They are pretty cool. Nearly perfect on the potency spectrum and are nice to look at. At least what ive ended up with out of them so far.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Smartattack]
#26609069 - 04/17/20 08:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as I understand, the bluing is a reaction of the breakdown of psilocybin into psilocin and the breakdown of both into pigments similar to indigo
So heavy bluing would at least be associated with mushrooms PREVIOUSLY (and probably still) having high contents of these 2 compounds.
And not bruising could be either a sign of low content OR a sign of STABLE psilocybin/psilocin content (not breaking down into pigments readily)
One side note, when I make tea with fruits which normally bruise readily, and I add lots of acid (lemon juice and vitamin c), I see far less bruising than when I dont. The point of the acid is to stabilize the psychoactive components, so this makes sense
Tampanesis fruits are about 2x as potent as cubes and almost never bruise blue ime
there are probably people here that understand all this much better than I do. But I think this explains at least part of the inability to directly correlate bluing with potency in every case
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Enkidu]
#26609077 - 04/17/20 08:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, I now grow them slow slow slow, fruiting temps between 65 and 70. My recent limited experience resulted in fruits that were solid, no hollow stems. When I first started this hobby my PF cakes were at near 80*, they grew very fast and stems always hollow. Potency was always low. A recent PE and the PESA both took a whole month from fully colonized to first harvest. The PE is scary strong (and unusually "speedy", 3.5g lasts like 10 hours.)
Ok campers, thanks for your insight.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: InfraredRick] 1
#26609571 - 04/18/20 04:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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About the same experience here with both.. use to have PE that barely bruised that we’re insanely potent and other PE clones that did bruise heavily that were also insanely potent and deep bruising other varieties that were meh or not potent at all.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: fahtster]
#26609683 - 04/18/20 06:27 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shrooms are so paradoxical sometimes!
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#26609699 - 04/18/20 06:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think alot of this has to do with the fact that it's all anecdotal experience. The only way to measure potency is in a lab e Setting to measure the actual compounds of each variety. Still doesn't mean that you will have an amazing trip though, humans are so different.
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Re: Bluing as an indicator of potency? [Re: Sockadin]
#26609784 - 04/18/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think bluing can be related to psilocybin content, but it isn't always. Hoffmeister's work shows that bluing is due to oligomerization of actives (basically multiple molecules binding together). For this to happen, though, the active molecules (psilocybin and psilocin) have to first be modified by enzymes in the mushroom. Different mushrooms likely have different amounts of these enzymes, so even though they might have similar amounts of actives, the bluing reaction can vary. All this to say that bluing is related to psilocybin/psilocin content in that it happens due to chemical reactions involving these molecules, so it can often be a good indicator of the presence of these molecules in the mushroom, but it is not a great indicator of the quantity of these molecules.
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