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Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec
#26608776 - 04/17/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Howdy shroom growers!
First post, so apologies if I break any rules etc. Pleae feel free to comment below with any I need to adhere too.
Over the years I've taken a combination of both mushrooms and truffles (though, never at the same time ... boy that would be fun!)
I've decided to start looking into growing mushrooms at home and to start things off simple went for the growbox. Just so I can start to get to grips with certain processes and watch closely enough to learn and research as I go along.
Current set up:
1x Psilove max Mazatapec grow kit 1x Thermo heat mat
After closely monitoring I feel generally quite happy with the way things look after two days but my research has led me to two questions:
1) Should you now turn off the heat mat for two days until pins form and put the mat back on once I have moved the bag ready for fruiting?
2) is this 'too much' condensation. I appreciate it needs a little to stunt its growth so to speak, but is this too much? Will it drown and kill the mycelium
Here is hopefully to many more posts to come over the years with a friendly and helpful community!
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26608784 - 04/17/20 06:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Get rid of the heating mat and out of the bag
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog] 1
#26608828 - 04/17/20 06:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Welcome!
There are a couple things that everyone here has learned that a lot of first timers don't realize:
1-We never use a heat mat for this hobby. Plants like a little heat but fungi prefer room temp or slightly under. The heat won't directly hurt your grow but contaminants like a little heat so it's giving contams a bit of an advantage.
2-Grow kits can have moderate success but they usually come with pretty high rates of contam. It's a great way to get your feet wet but if you want to keep going with this, you'll probably find that you want to make everything yourself anyway (plus you get more shrooms for less $ that way). It's more intimidating than difficult to be honest.
3-You don't need it in the bag.
4-Don't worry about the 1st three issues. Everyone here made mistakes starting out There's a lot of people here willing to help
Good luck!
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: bodhisatta]
#26608946 - 04/17/20 07:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Get rid of the heating mat and the grow kit
Pretty sure this is what he meant to say.
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I appreciate this may be the case, but can you give me any reasons why for?
I live in the UK and although it's warm some days, you can wake up today after it being cold overnight, to only highs of 10 outside and to maintain a consistent temperature I thought the heat may would help?
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26609579 - 04/18/20 04:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also, just wondering why it is best to not be in the bag?
My research shows me it should be till the first pins. Then open the bag up to allow fruiting to begin?
I fear without the bag they would not grow. Likewise without the help of the heat the allow the substrate to become slightly moistened to start the pins growing process off?
I also appreciate I may be totally wrong. But if people can give me the alternative and why, be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog] 2
#26609609 - 04/18/20 05:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you think you would do better in the trunk of a car or in outside of the trunk.
That's your bag. Nothing likes being choked except girls with Daddy issues
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: bodhisatta]
#26609617 - 04/18/20 05:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cubes grow well in 20-24 degrees celsius. These heat mats are a curious thing. I wonder if the grow kit suppliers recommend them, in which case they don't know much. But congrats op, you have arrived in the most informative mushroomgrowing community. Everything is just a search away!
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: InnerWisdom]
#26609633 - 04/18/20 05:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hi and welcome!
I actually had almost the same setup (same grow kit, with heating mat) until a couple of weeks ago.
I finally ditched the heating mat, following the advice I got here, because it seemed to be giving way more heat to some parts of the substrate than others.
For this second flush I'm not using it at all, the room temperature is 18-21ºC (usually 18-19) and they're pinning. The only thing I do at night is put them near a radiator because the floor is very cold. However, I think even without that extra heat, they would still grow.
I think what they meant to say is that the heating mat doesn't need to be in the bag.
Also, I'm finding that they don't need as much humidity as we noobs tend to think and it seems better to have too little humidity than too high.
I'm just learning like you, so take my advice with a grain of salt lol
Edited by Farnaby1984 (04/18/20 05:32 AM)
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: bodhisatta]
#26609642 - 04/18/20 05:40 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It would be too cold here in England I think for that. If we have a warm day, your talking 18/19 at the moment. But can drop as low as 3/4 some evenings if no cloud cover and clear all day.
I concede on the Daddy issues comment..
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26609645 - 04/18/20 05:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for this comment. Glad to know there are people out there experiencing similar questions (not problems), and sharing experiences. I hope to do a full report of my first grow experience to help others in the community.
*** CLARIFICATIONS ****
1) My heat may is not inside the bag. The bag is folded underneath as per instructions.
2) Upon closer examination it seemed the top of the substrate was starting to puddle slightly. So I cleaned myself up and gave it all a dab with some paper towels. Was I right to do this? My research showed me they should be moist but not drowned?
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26609737 - 04/18/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thelensblog said: Thanks for this comment. Glad to know there are people out there experiencing similar questions (not problems), and sharing experiences. I hope to do a full report of my first grow experience to help others in the community.
*** CLARIFICATIONS ****
1) My heat may is not inside the bag. The bag is folded underneath as per instructions.
2) Upon closer examination it seemed the top of the substrate was starting to puddle slightly. So I cleaned myself up and gave it all a dab with some paper towels. Was I right to do this? My research showed me they should be moist but not drowned?
Oh Ok, I thought it was inside the bag.
What I meant to say is that if the temperature inside your house isn't extremely cold, they will probably grow without the heating mat. May just take a bit longer. It's usually better to raise the ambient temperature instead of giving local heat like a mat.
I don't know about the paper towels, maybe someone with more experience can help you out.
A forum member told me a good way to get a fine mist is to aim the spray bottle towards the ceiling and let the mist fall as if it was a cloud. What I do when water seems to pool is give it more fresh air so it doesn't stay wet for too long.
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: Farnaby1984]
#26610482 - 04/18/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Farnaby1984 said:
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thelensblog said: Thanks for this comment. Glad to know there are people out there experiencing similar questions (not problems), and sharing experiences. I hope to do a full report of my first grow experience to help others in the community.
*** CLARIFICATIONS ****
1) My heat may is not inside the bag. The bag is folded underneath as per instructions.
2) Upon closer examination it seemed the top of the substrate was starting to puddle slightly. So I cleaned myself up and gave it all a dab with some paper towels. Was I right to do this? My research showed me they should be moist but not drowned?
Oh Ok, I thought it was inside the bag.
What I meant to say is that if the temperature inside your house isn't extremely cold, they will probably grow without the heating mat. May just take a bit longer. It's usually better to raise the ambient temperature instead of giving local heat like a mat.
I don't know about the paper towels, maybe someone with more experience can help you out.
A forum member told me a good way to get a fine mist is to aim the spray bottle towards the ceiling and let the mist fall as if it was a cloud. What I do when water seems to pool is give it more fresh air so it doesn't stay wet for too long.
How long is too long would you say? A day? A week?
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26610669 - 04/18/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thelensblog said: I appreciate this may be the case, but can you give me any reasons why for?
You were already given reasons why. People don't mind helping out a newb but don't ignore the responses you get or people won't chime in to help... let me post this for you again since you missed it
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TheStallionMang said: 1-We never use a heat mat for this hobby. Plants like a little heat but fungi prefer room temp or slightly under. The heat won't directly hurt your grow but contaminants like a little heat so it's giving contams a bit of an advantage.
2-Grow kits can have moderate success but they usually come with pretty high rates of contam. It's a great way to get your feet wet but if you want to keep going with this, you'll probably find that you want to make everything yourself anyway (plus you get more shrooms for less $ that way). It's more intimidating than difficult to be honest.
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26610728 - 04/18/20 02:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thelensblog said: How long is too long would you say? A day? A week?
I'm also new to this, so I don't know exactly. I've heard people say water shouldn't pool for more than 15 minutes. I guess the less it happens and the less time it takes for it to evaporate, the better.
From what I've read, it's better to have too little humidity rather than too much, especially when pins start to appear. Too much moisture + heat = more chances for contamination.
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Re: Condensation from heat mat - Mazatapec [Re: thelensblog]
#26618577 - 04/21/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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thelensblog said: too cold here in England
Mate I feel your pain. My house is like 16c all the time and its causing me issues.
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