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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606258 - 04/16/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
The dehydrator itself doesn't make a difference. It either dried them or not




I’m sure you’re right. However, I have heard a lot of opinions about these cheap, electric dehydrators when it comes to shrooms and the active ingredients. This is just my way of hedging my bet. I have a crap load of fresh in my refrigerator that are between one and three days old. And after I try a trip on what I’ve dried this weekend, just to be 100% sure, then I’ll start dehydrating everything else. Do I expect there to be a problem with the ones that I dried, and encapsulated? No, absolutely not. But I don’t think that I’m hurting myself by waiting another few days, to verify for myself that everything is OK with the batch I dried, considering that a lot of people seem to be divided about these electric dehydrator’s. Well maybe not a lot of people, but there does seem to be debates all over the Internet, and I’ve seen them in this forum as well. So, just waiting a few days seems like a rational plan to me. It’s not like they’re going to spoil in the fridge, they are very fresh still.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606342 - 04/16/20 05:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, it didnt make much sense to me.

So many variables, not a proper experiment i reckon

You're not controlling in such a way you can make any claim on the effect the dehydrator had.

Making it pointless.

But by all means, continue.


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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606408 - 04/16/20 06:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
Oh, it didnt make much sense to me.

So many variables, not a proper experiment i reckon

You're not controlling in such a way you can make any claim on the effect the dehydrator had.

Making it pointless.

But by all means, continue.




You’re completely taking me out of context. I’m not looking for absolute numbers, absolute dosages, absolute loss of psilocybin or psilosin. If I was then I would agree with you. I have one criteria for waiting to dry the rest of mushrooms. And it’s a valid, and objective, and reasonable one. All I’m looking to do, when I ingest them this weekend, and see if they effective, if so about how much. I am neither an expert, nor do I know enough to make determinations as per exact effects. My goal is to make sure that when I eat say nine or 10 capsules, to the tune of 2.25 or 2.5 g of dried, I just want to make sure they take affect in a satisfying way to me. If I take them and I get no effect, then something is seriously wrong. If I take them and get a decent effect then that’s good. If I take them and get a light affect, commensurate with a dosage that low, then that’s good as well. If I take them and I get a whopper of an effect, then that’s also good. I just want to make sure that I didn’t ruin my stash with the dehydrator, rendering them inert

I’m not quite sure why people aren’t understanding what I’m saying here, to be honest. You guys are acting like I’m trying to do some empirical, scientific study. I’m just looking to get a feel for what I’m left with after dehydrating. I’m not looking to get weight of active compounds down to the last nanogram LOL.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606452 - 04/16/20 06:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not at all

I guess you dont get it


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606476 - 04/16/20 06:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
Not at all

I guess you dont get it




No, you’re the one that doesn’t get it. First you either misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented what I was saying. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you misunderstood me. The difference between you and I? I clarified. All you did was shoot out some  half-concocted, non-answer, with no detail whatsoever to support your position, or explain what it is I’m supposedly not getting. LOL I really hope you’re just having a problem reading what I wrote above. And that you’re not doing this intentionally to try and win a silly argument.

But, please, explain to me what it is that you believe I don’t get. And then when you do I will demonstrate to you how all you’re doing is misrepresenting what I’m actually saying, and contorting it to what you think I’m saying.


Edited by LSA Woodrose (04/16/20 07:09 PM)


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606493 - 04/16/20 07:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So youre asking me to explain something you already determined is a misrepresentation ...?

:lol:

Now you have your answer on why i didnt

:hatsoff:

The misunderstanding is one sided..

And arguing is a waste of time..


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OfflineLSA Woodrose
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606498 - 04/16/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
So youre asking me to explain something you already determined is a misrepresentation ...?

:lol:

Now you have your answer on why i didnt

:hatsoff:

The misunderstanding is one sided..

And arguing is a waste of time..




And once again you’ve shown that you have absolutely no position, or argument. You’re just speaking in double talk right now. Trying to acquit yourself of a position you simply cannot defend. Why not just either admit that you misunderstood me, or maybe you can explain to me how I’m getting it wrong? But you’re unable to, or unwilling to do that, which leads me back to the point that you’re right, this is a silly argument.

Not because arguments are silly, but because in this case you actually don’t have an argument. LOL

Seriously, give it a shot. Try to put a coherent thought that doesn’t involve a bunch of smiley’s and short, non-answers. Explain to me in detail, like I’m a five-year-old, exactly what it is that I’m wrong about. Or admit that you can’t do that. I don’t think I’m being unreasonable. I’m giving you the chance to explain how I’m wrong, something you have not even tried to do.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606515 - 04/16/20 07:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Really bro...? :rolleyes:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606518 - 04/16/20 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26606524 - 04/16/20 07:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
Really bro...? :rolleyes:



Quote:

Enkidu said:
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:




And this right here, is how I know you’re just trolling me. Because if somebody asked me to clarify my position because I was arguing with them the way you were with me, I would substantiate and support it as requested. But if this is the best you can do, it’s obvious you’re just trolling.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606541 - 04/16/20 07:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

LSA, Enkidu is just trying to help.

One issue is, if the handful you grabbed and dried is weak, you might assume it’s your dehydrator when, in reality, it may just be a few weak mushrooms since your batch isn’t homogenized.

I never had any problems with my dehydrator (so long as the mushroomed aren’t literally sitting on the heat source and getting cooked instead of dried).

I think you guys just misunderstood each other and you guys ended up spiraling in different directions.

We all just want to help you LSA :heart: It’s exciting to have more victims......err I mean members join us in our hobby :hehehe:


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26606591 - 04/16/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

See, Endiku? This is what I meant by defending or supporting or clarifying. Something Socrateshroom is willing to do. Its called a discussion.

Try it some time.

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Socrateshroom said:
LSA, Enkidu is just trying to help.

One issue is, if the handful you grabbed and dried is weak, you might assume it’s your dehydrator when, in reality, it may just be a few weak mushrooms since your batch isn’t homogenized.




This is where I think you guys are taking me out of context or misunderstanding me. I already alluded to this very point in several posts. Which is why I was very clear when I said that I am NOT looking for exactness here when I test out the 6 grams I dried. I am well aware that I won't know for sure about true potency when I try this, because as I said already, my sample size was too small. As I also said, reading yours and DJ Ed's responses, I realized that I would have been better off grinding the whole batch of 40+ grams to get a more accurate sample size. That is NOT something I would ever dispute. I was, in fact, agreeing with you and he.

What I was saying, and I will clarify again, is this:

My ONLY criteria this weekend will be do they work at all, just in case a lot of those people all over the web, and some in this forum as well, are right and I am wrong. I am 90% sure that my dehydrator didn't destroy my shrooms. But since I have very fresh stuff now, I am going to wait, try some of the capsules, and make sure I trip off of them. Maybe they will be weaker than I expect, maybe they will be stronger, or maybe they will be just about exactly what I expect.

But if ANY of those three scenarios turn out true, then I will proceed with dehydrating everything, because I will know I didn't ruin the batch I already dried.

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Socrateshroom said:
I never had any problems with my dehydrator (so long as the mushroomed aren’t literally sitting on the heat source and getting cooked instead of dried).




And I am quite sure my experience will be the same.

But I ask you, what harm is there in waiting another two days or so to start pouring everything into the dehydrator, just in case you or I are wrong? Which, again, I'm sure we're not, and I bet the dehydrator worked just fine.

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Socrateshroom said:
I think you guys just misunderstood each other and you guys ended up spiraling in different directions.




Yeah, but at least you showed me the respect he refused to by engaging me and listening to me, hearing me out. He was basically borderline trolling. Well intentioned or not.

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Socrateshroom said:
We all just want to help you LSA :heart: It’s exciting to have more victims......err I mean members join us in our hobby :hehehe:




I know you are. I know MOST people here are sincere and trying to help.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26606626 - 04/16/20 08:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No harm in doing your way, just figured I’d point out because people often don’t understand how variable multispore Grows really can be. But we all have our own methods.

I imagine you’ll get effects within the expected range. Just make sure to take a significant enough dose to feel it (Although I’d say 0.5g is a threshold dose, I’d recommend 1-2g for testing. I always test new batches with 1.5g).

Ultimately, this is your journey. Do as you see fit. The fun is in putting the puzzle pieces together yourself.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Socrateshroom]
    #26606637 - 04/16/20 08:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Socrateshroom said:
No harm in doing your way, just figured I’d point out because people often don’t understand how variable multispore Grows really can be.




Oh, you guys even in my own grow thread, were incredibly good at driving this point home for me. Thanks to your admonishments, I understood this very well. I can also see it in the wacky, disparate, and insanely varied way my cakes are fruiting in my SGFC.

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Socrateshroom said:
But we all have our own methods.

I imagine you’ll get effects within the expected range. Just make sure to take a significant enough dose to feel it (Although I’d say 0.5g is a threshold dose, I’d recommend 1-2g for testing. I always test new batches with 1.5g).




I took 17 grams of fresh to start with last Saturday and it was mild, as expected, and fun. I will probably up it by 5 grams (I mean .5 of dry) this weekend, to 2.25 grams of the capsules.

I am looking forward to the test!

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Socrateshroom said:
Ultimately, this is your journey. Do as you see fit. The fun is in putting the puzzle pieces together yourself.





Thanks, brother!

And just to be clear, I am totally expecting to trip off of the 2.25 grams of dried. Because of the variety and randomness in MS, as you and others have pointed out, I am prepared for the unexpected. I just wanted to make sure of what I am already 90% sure of. That these dehydrators are both effective for drying shrooms and will not, as you put it, "cook my shrooms" dry. lol


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26607043 - 04/17/20 12:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I toiled for ages buying a dehydrator, LSA. And when I finally took the plunge and dried my first harvest, I was gutted because the first trip was extremely disappointing. Waited two weeks and tried again, and had another really poor trip.

So it took me a while to conclude I actually had a completely duff flush, and that the dehydrator itself was sound!

Poor unlucky timing. Acid test though I’m trying some dried Mazatapec tonight, which will prove the dehydrator is sound, because I have had a trip from fresh ones from this flush, nd I know that wet they were very potent.

660g dried at 70 deg C in under 4 hours; 93.7% water content to cracker dry.

Good luck this weekend :thumbup:
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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26607214 - 04/17/20 04:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Cause youre acting like a little kid throwing a fit and talking shit because i told you your idea on determining if your dehydrator works or not makes no sense. Because it doesnt.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26607237 - 04/17/20 05:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
Cause youre acting like a little kid throwing a fit and talking shit because i told you your idea on determining if your dehydrator works or not makes no sense. Because it doesnt.




So... fine. You’re right then, you won, I guess that matters.

Now go on and run back home and tell your mom how you whooped someone in an internet fight? She will be proud of you for putting this dope in his place. Maybe she can give you bonus points or a sloppy blowjob for your efforts here.

:rolleyes:


Seriously man. What’s the point of you hanging onto this? If he wants to test the dehydrator this way, do you really care if he has eliminated variables? Should he record the data and send it to you for review as well?

I cannot imagine that you actually care this much about someone’s anxiety over potency issues. However, I can easily imagine both of your egos are being tweaked a bit over this bickering.

Wait. I have an idea!

since, you both hate each other so much, and there is no possible way beyond this catastrophic disagreement and rude behavior.... maybe you should both block each other, that way you can protect your own delicate sensibilities from the others rampant ignorance and inconsiderate attitudes. :thumbup:

Also, my apologies to anyone else who was reading thru this thread and then, like me, was suddenly reminded of how faggy people can be to each other on here.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: Enkidu]
    #26607246 - 04/17/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Enkidu said:
Cause youre acting like a little kid throwing a fit and talking shit because i told you your idea on determining if your dehydrator works or not makes no sense. Because it doesnt.




Yet you have still not provided ANY intelligible substantiation for what's wrong with my idea and my method for LMAO waiting a whole 2 days to dry my fresh. At least I am willing to clarify and bolster my position with more than just wild eyed one-liners and trolling someone else's thread as you are doing mine.

Why not just get lost or actually offer an argument for what you're saying, or demonstrate some sign that you truly did understand what I was saying. Go find another thread and argue there, please. Notice how everyone else is offering actual information and discourse?

Seriously, just go away or post something intelligent.


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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26607253 - 04/17/20 05:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I thought this thread was about the timing between trips, not dehydrators?

I vote that we get a mod to close this off-topic trash pile. :cool:



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Notice how everyone else is offering actual information and discourse?




Not me. My troll nose smelled blood in the water, and I didn’t want to miss any of the fun. :grin:

My post above is for you too LSA, I typically enjoy reading both yours and Enkidus posts actually. But, i think you are both being jerky idiots right now.... and I promise, If you guys keep on going in public like this... I will too. :grin:

I am the third wheel that will annoy, distract and confuse this conversation until you guys hug and make up. 

Also, I am not opposed to sliding up in your pms with nasty messages either. so watch out.

Yes, these are threats. Please take them as such and act like a decent person instead.



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Re: Space Between Shroom Trips [Re: DJ Ed]
    #26607254 - 04/17/20 05:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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DJ Ed said:
I toiled for ages buying a dehydrator, LSA. And when I finally took the plunge and dried my first harvest, I was gutted because the first trip was extremely disappointing. Waited two weeks and tried again, and had another really poor trip.

So it took me a while to conclude I actually had a completely duff flush, and that the dehydrator itself was sound!

Poor unlucky timing. Acid test though I’m trying some dried Mazatapec tonight, which will prove the dehydrator is sound, because I have had a trip from fresh ones from this flush, nd I know that wet they were very potent.

660g dried at 70 deg C in under 4 hours; 93.7% water content to cracker dry.

Good luck this weekend :thumbup:
DJ Ed




See, this is what I'm talking about. This is an actual position and actual information. Good information, by the way.

Sorry you had such a bad experience with one of your flushes. There is actually another way I can test this if, say my trip this weekend is a bust. From what I'm reading, its relatively rare that shrooms just grow with little to no psilocybin/psilocyn content. But this I'm not sure of.

I have been drying for 24 hours, but next time I dry, I'll try for less time.


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