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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26606506 - 04/16/20 07:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

While that is a common retort that doesn’t really advance anything. Astante was useless with their false claims, since consciousness is made by the brain.

But that link I found really did help unweave it a little a show me the holes in it, and boy are there many.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606512 - 04/16/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I stand by my original statement. Who fucking cares if this is not "real" in any sense of the word? Just enjoy that you even exist and can observe this. Stop complaining :house:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26606528 - 04/16/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I stand by my original statement. Who fucking cares if this is not "real" in any sense of the word? Just enjoy that you even exist and can observe this. Stop complaining :house:



Can’t do that if solipsism is true. It very much matters.

I also doubt an intelligence created any of this if they made suffering, but that’s another matter.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606597 - 04/16/20 08:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What I don't get is if everything is an illusion of your mind, wouldn't that make you part of the illusion too since you are using your mind to perceive the illusion? Why would you be the exception to the illusion?

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Re: Future vision? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26606609 - 04/16/20 08:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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What I don't get is if everything is an illusion of your mind, wouldn't that make you part of the illusion too since you are using your mind to perceive the illusion? Why would you be the exception to the illusion?

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I said there were a lot of holes in it, so now I’m slowly working past it knowing how nonsensical it is


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606615 - 04/16/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Even if it is true what does that change? Life does not make since. The sooner you can accept that the sooner you will feel better.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606616 - 04/16/20 08:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

https://carm.org/what-is-solipsism-and-is-it-true

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If the solipsists mind is all there is, then why does the solipsist have to learn about the world since his own mind created it?

If the universe is a projection of his mind, then it must be necessarily true that his mind produces super complex concepts such as gravitational constants, chemical reactions, quantum fluctuations, but also which he does not understand, yet they are merely projections of the mind that don't really exist.  Isn't this an inconsistency?

If the mind is all there is, then why can't he control his own mind and alter reality to suit his own desires especially since things occur that he does not like such as pain?

If the mind is all there is and he cannot control his own mind (i.e., not wanting pain but pain happens), then he is being controlled by something other than himself.




This was my favorite section. Really makes sense, don't ya think?


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26606619 - 04/16/20 08:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Believe within always :heart:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow] * 1
    #26606677 - 04/16/20 08:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Even if it is true what does that change? Life does not make since. The sooner you can accept that the sooner you will feel better.



If it’s true then life isn’t worth living


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Re: Future vision? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26606680 - 04/16/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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https://carm.org/what-is-solipsism-and-is-it-true

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If the solipsists mind is all there is, then why does the solipsist have to learn about the world since his own mind created it?

If the universe is a projection of his mind, then it must be necessarily true that his mind produces super complex concepts such as gravitational constants, chemical reactions, quantum fluctuations, but also which he does not understand, yet they are merely projections of the mind that don't really exist.  Isn't this an inconsistency?

If the mind is all there is, then why can't he control his own mind and alter reality to suit his own desires especially since things occur that he does not like such as pain?

If the mind is all there is and he cannot control his own mind (i.e., not wanting pain but pain happens), then he is being controlled by something other than himself.




This was my favorite section. Really makes sense, don't ya think?




Like I said, he makes a lot of good points against it to show how it’s nonsense


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26606873 - 04/16/20 10:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

And if I am being honest I don’t think prophetic dreams proves solipsism. It does sort of prove fate and determinism though but I have to make sure it’s not a self fulfilling prophecy.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606899 - 04/16/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

.  You don’t believe you can know another persons mind?


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606952 - 04/16/20 11:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Even if it is true what does that change? Life does not make since. The sooner you can accept that the sooner you will feel better.



If it’s true then life isn’t worth living




I was gonna say, you cant be happy if you think everything is an illusion of the mind. Then even happiness is an illusion and "not real".

When i was 16, i too thought life was meaningless. I didnt go as far as claiming that all of Reality was part of my own Illusionary mind, however i did question the purpose of Life itself: Why are we here? Whats the point of Living? Do we just live to die in the end? It seemed like life was totally pointless. And it made me unhappy.

I found my way out of that depressive state of mind by realizing I had to make my own purpose. Then I realized my purpose in Life was to Find one on my own. That way, I can live a life that actually has some kind of meaning.

It was a dark time back in my teens but now my life is full of meaning and purpose. And for that, Im thankful.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26606982 - 04/16/20 11:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It’s something I want to believe with all my heart


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606986 - 04/16/20 11:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If we ever met, I’d make it so. :heart:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26607023 - 04/17/20 12:01 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I understand but recognizing others existing outside of me is a huge leap of faith.


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    #26607033 - 04/17/20 12:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Idk about Solipsism but clairvoyance, I’m starting to believe, is 100% real. I’ve absolutely had dreams show me 100% accurate glimpses of the future. The case can be made that it is just deja vu but I’m really starting to think this could be true after having it happen a few times. Short term clairvoyance is almost proven as far as I’m concerned, and by that I mean just a few seconds and not images but a feeling. Nearly everyone gets that.

But I’m with you man I just went through an experience that I’m very sure I dreamt about before could be deja vu but idk..there’s other things that go with it but I’m reluctant to even mention them it seems so crazy


Also I believe this ability declines with age. What if a lot of major or random life events are shown to us while we are young in dreams? Could be true..


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26607042 - 04/17/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Idk about Solipsism but clairvoyance, I’m starting to believe, is 100% real. I’ve absolutely had dreams show me 100% accurate glimpses of the future. The case can be made that it is just deja vu but I’m really starting to think this could be true after having it happen a few times. Short term clairvoyance is almost proven as far as I’m concerned, and by that I mean just a few seconds and not images but a feeling. Nearly everyone gets that.

But I’m with you man I just went through an experience that I’m very sure I dreamt about before could be deja vu but idk..there’s other things that go with it but I’m reluctant to even mention them it seems so crazy


Also I believe this ability declines with age. What if a lot of major or random life events are shown to us while we are young in dreams? Could be true..




I don't really see the value in having such an ability if it's just going to show you what will happen. At that point I'm better off not knowing. It's like someone spoiling a movie for me.


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    #26607047 - 04/17/20 12:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Well as far as the dreams go you wouldn’t know it was a glimpse, just a dream. Or atleast I didn’t when it happened. But the short term one is a very special ability if you are say a poker or blackjack player. Neither is proven especially the first one but there’s something to this. I’ve even been around people who say they just saw a glimpse into the future but the few times I’ve seen it they are always reluctant to say anything


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Led Zeppelin]
    #26607058 - 04/17/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Well as far as the dreams go you wouldn’t know it was a glimpse, just a dream. Or atleast I didn’t when it happened. But the short term one is a very special ability if you are say a poker or blackjack player. Neither is proven especially the first one but there’s something to this. I’ve even been around people who say they just saw a glimpse into the future but the few times I’ve seen it they are always reluctant to say anything




It wouldn't really help in poker because you couldn't change anything. That's what I said my visions are kinda useless. Also I don't know which ones come true as until after the fact.


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