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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26606772 - 04/16/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Concord owned all the troll farms.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26606779 - 04/16/20 09:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The indictment isn't about troll farms.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26606780 - 04/16/20 09:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Maybe legally Russia wouldn't have lost, but the media would have pushed that story, and that's the whole reason there was even an indictment against the troll farm.
If you paid any attention to the facts, like I did, you'd know the troll farm would have won any case against them.
To be fair, you explicitly ignored all of my arguments in that, among other, threads as nonsense. Sure, you're correct from the standpoint of 20th century propaganda tactics. You have completely and repeatedly discounted any description of modern propaganda tactics that I have provided. Which don't show up in the numbers, because they are focused on manipulating the algorithms that provide content to people, as opposed to manipulating the content or the people.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26606786 - 04/16/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The indictment isn't about troll farms.
Yes it is. That's the media nickname given to the Internet Research Agency.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26606788 - 04/16/20 09:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Different indictment. The indictment i posted had nothing to do with that.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26606798 - 04/16/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: To be fair, you explicitly ignored all of my arguments in that, among other, threads as nonsense. Sure, you're correct from the standpoint of 20th century propaganda tactics. You have completely and repeatedly discounted any description of modern propaganda tactics that I have provided. Which don't show up in the numbers, because they are focused on manipulating the algorithms that provide content to people, as opposed to manipulating the content or the people.
Was your argument that the $46,000 spent by Russia on Facebook ads, 11% of which were political (or about $5,000) matched the $81 million spent by Trump/Hillary???
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26606802 - 04/16/20 09:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Different indictment. The indictment i posted had nothing to do with that.
And the indictment you posted had nothing to do with Concord either. The indictment you posted was about DNC hacking.
The one I posted was about the troll farm.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26606805 - 04/16/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Exactly.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26606813 - 04/16/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You went back to Concord here, and so that's what I was talking to you about.
Concord owned the Internet Research Agency which was the troll farm.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26606995 - 04/16/20 11:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bottom line is they dropped the case against Concord, who is the parent of the Internet Research Agency troll farm and employer of the other indicted workers. You can either read and understand why they were forced to drop the case, or you can make believe that either the US suddenly no longer cared about the case, or that they had to protect state secrets (even though we know exactly how much these companies spent and on what).
Shall we now discuss the other indictment Enlil presented about the hacking of the DNC emails and what the evidence was that Russia or someone else gave the emails to Wikileaks?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#26607175 - 04/17/20 03:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Different indictment. The indictment i posted had nothing to do with that.
And the indictment you posted had nothing to do with Concord either. The indictment you posted was about DNC hacking.
The one I posted was about the troll farm.
You're alone in the belief that nothing at all was found. It's a fairytale land where Russia was exonerated which just did not happen. We've all gone through this conversation before
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26607384 - 04/17/20 07:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't know what else to tell you. There are two open criminal cases against Russian nationals for crimes related to election interference. No one has been exonerated. You say there is no evidence, but you simply do not know that. All we know is that two grand jury indictments were handed down at this point.
I'm not going to argue the guilt of these Russian citizens/agents because I don't pretend to know the evidence. I'm also not going to accept your claim that it was all bullshit. They're presumed innocent under the law at this point, and that's all they have going for them.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26607663 - 04/17/20 09:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Concord owned all the troll farms.
Ops, admitted the troll farms are real there, bud. Weren’t they part of the hoax? If you can figure out they’re real from your computer, why would you assume the FBI didn’t know this? Or should foreign troll farms focused on US elections be legal?
And you’re the one who called it a witch hunt. I just pointed out that, unless you’re lying to yourself, you think a witch hunt ends in the conviction of actual witches. Witches don’t exist, but Russian election interference does. Idk, I thought it was a pretty simple analogy...
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: feldman114]
#26607688 - 04/17/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Witches do exist, but there's nothing illegal about witchcraft.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26607968 - 04/17/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: To be fair, you explicitly ignored all of my arguments in that, among other, threads as nonsense. Sure, you're correct from the standpoint of 20th century propaganda tactics. You have completely and repeatedly discounted any description of modern propaganda tactics that I have provided. Which don't show up in the numbers, because they are focused on manipulating the algorithms that provide content to people, as opposed to manipulating the content or the people.
Was your argument that the $46,000 spent by Russia on Facebook ads, 11% of which were political (or about $5,000) matched the $81 million spent by Trump/Hillary???
Yes. This isn't a simple greater than less than.
You could hire a team of 100 dudes to work digging a ditch with their bare hands, and I can rent a bulldozer and do the exact same shit for a fraction of the cost.
Which is a very good analogy. Trump and Hillary are old school propagandists. They pushed content and tried to reach people. The Russian method simply fooled the existing algorithms into pushing the content they preferred to the people that they wanted to target. Which is why so little of the spending was directly political, because they weren't making ads, they were breaking algorithms.
As an experiment, since that post I went around and had some people at work Google a relatively nonsense string of words. The Google results I got were different that those my black coworker got, which were different from the old lady, which were different from my teenage sister. Similar, but different. The algorithms know our demographics, and they tailor results that we're most likely to find interesting.
There are ways to find out what algorithms think you are, and they're usually pretty accurate. Last time I dug up info on myself, it came up with: white male, 25-34, income around 125k, very educated.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#26608081 - 04/17/20 12:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: You're alone in the belief that nothing at all was found. It's a fairytale land where Russia was exonerated which just did not happen.
First of all, I was correct in my signature bet that the Mueller Report would find no evidence of Trump colluding with the Russian Government. The Mueller Report specifically said that "Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."
Then you, koods, and a few others insisted that the Mueller Report DID find evidence of Russian election interference, as evidenced by the indictments. So I then made another signature bet that Concord would either win or the case would have to be dropped due to a lack of evidence. I won that bet as well.
I find it odd that after being right on this (and so many other things like the Douma chemical attacks), you guys still make believe there's something there.
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Seriously_trippin said: We've all gone through this conversation before
Yes, the conversation where I ask for specific evidence, and you tell me it's buried somewhere in the Mueller Report, and if I would only read the whole thing I might be the first person in the wide world to find it.
I'll ask again, what specific evidence do you have? I won't play make believe, as you and koods should know by now.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26608089 - 04/17/20 12:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your whole line of reasoning presumes that anyone here would have access to law enforcement files. No one is going to be given the privilege of seeing the evidence for two active criminal cases except those involved.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26608094 - 04/17/20 12:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Yeah, I don't know what else to tell you. There are two open criminal cases against Russian nationals for crimes related to election interference. No one has been exonerated. You say there is no evidence, but you simply do not know that. All we know is that two grand jury indictments were handed down at this point.
Again, you're trying to play this from a legal angle rather than a real world angle. "Sure, maybe there's absolutely no evidence, but since the case is legally still open, you can't claim a legal victory." Well I don't give a shit about the legal angle, I care about the real world and what really happened. And I know that may be difficult for a lawyer to understand.
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Enlil said: I'm not going to argue the guilt of these Russian citizens/agents because I don't pretend to know the evidence. I'm also not going to accept your claim that it was all bullshit. They're presumed innocent under the law at this point, and that's all they have going for them.
But we do know the evidence (or lack thereof) and I've explained it many times. I know you like to make believe there may be more than what we've seen, but there never is. Nothing new came out of Mueller report that we didn't already know. Everything gets leaked to the press, it's how our Government conducts propaganda.
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Enlil said: Your whole line of reasoning presumes that anyone here would have access to law enforcement files. No one is going to be given the privilege of seeing the evidence for two active criminal cases except those involved.
And those people decided they need to drop the case.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26608096 - 04/17/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Says you. The case files available online say the cases are still very open. Your need to cling to this false belief of yours is almost Freudian.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26608104 - 04/17/20 12:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Yes. This isn't a simple greater than less than.
You could hire a team of 100 dudes to work digging a ditch with their bare hands, and I can rent a bulldozer and do the exact same shit for a fraction of the cost.
Which is a very good analogy. Trump and Hillary are old school propagandists. They pushed content and tried to reach people. The Russian method simply fooled the existing algorithms into pushing the content they preferred to the people that they wanted to target. Which is why so little of the spending was directly political, because they weren't making ads, they were breaking algorithms.
Source, or make believe?
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Kryptos said: As an experiment, since that post I went around and had some people at work Google a relatively nonsense string of words. The Google results I got were different that those my black coworker got, which were different from the old lady, which were different from my teenage sister. Similar, but different. The algorithms know our demographics, and they tailor results that we're most likely to find interesting.
There are ways to find out what algorithms think you are, and they're usually pretty accurate. Last time I dug up info on myself, it came up with: white male, 25-34, income around 125k, very educated.
Do you think Russia is the only one to know to know this?
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