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Sweet smell always bad sign?
    #26605705 - 04/16/20 11:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey everyone!

I've been doing some research and as far as I understand it, a sweet smell is usually a sign of some sort of bacterial contamination.

Is this always the case?

I ask this, because the grow kit I bought seems to have a sweet and pleasant smell since before the first harvest. This smell turns into a more earthy/humid/mushroomy smell whenever I mist.

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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26605733 - 04/16/20 12:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Usually sweet is bac. Itll either get worse or sometimes it'll back-off with some increased FAE and lower temperatures, either way, it is what it is; just bac.

The way you describe the smell reminds me of one thats about to blow up with mushrooms.

But a picture is worth a 1000 words


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984] * 1
    #26605737 - 04/16/20 12:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If it's strong it's bad. If you notice it sort of in the background of what you're working with and you can smell mushrooms, you're probably okay. It's very difficult to nail down this sort of stuff without experience since we're all different and the internet (thankfully) doesn't have a scratch n' sniff option.

For a while when starting with oats I swore my jars were bad from the start because I smelled some sweetness and combined that with all my reading here, similar to what you're doing. The ones that I really messed up I couldn't smell mushrooms at all, and it was very different than just a "hint of something else." The last batch I spawned I simply disregarded the background odor and still pulled 1.5kg wet from the first flush. Depending on how sensitive your nose is, you might just be picking up on the odor of your spawn and substrate nutes since there's starches/carbs/etc. in them and they'll absolutely contribute to the overall fragrance.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Morbility]
    #26605741 - 04/16/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid: is a good lesson in attention to detail.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: shevanel]
    #26605766 - 04/16/20 12:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks a lot for your help!

This is how it's looking today. I highlighted some spots where white dots with the appearance of cotton appeared yesterday.



The smell is pleasant and has stayed the same since the first flush, but I wouldn't say it smells like portobello's from the supermarket lol.

I have to add that some of the mushrooms from the first flush had a weird smell that reminded me a bit of amonia. However, they looked fine and their growth didn't stall either. Actually, their size doubled in like 2 days. I did a post on this subject but it got lost since there's so much activity on this subforum lol.

Here are some pictures from the day before harvesting and from the harvested mushrooms:




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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26605780 - 04/16/20 12:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Is this sub made of hpoo and does it have gyspum? Maybe sulfur smell not ammonia?


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: shevanel]
    #26605793 - 04/16/20 12:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Does your sub have hpoo?




Is hpoo horse poo? Nope, it's a premade growkit by FreshMushrooms and they say its rye-based.

It's in a grow bag that I started opening and faning more frequently once the pins started growing bigger, leaving the bag slightly open for the last couple of days.

Sulfur smells like rotten eggs right? If so, the smell was definitely not like that, didn't smell rotten, just a strong smell (although you had to approach your nose a lot) that I can't describe better than amonia/metallic/acid.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26605850 - 04/16/20 01:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yup, hpoo is horse poop.

Sulphur is rotten eggs, beer farts, etc.

Some bacteria can cause fermentation. Maybe what you're perceiving as ammonia may be slightly alcoholic or fermented. Just spit-ballin' here. :shrug:


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Morbility]
    #26605874 - 04/16/20 01:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Yup, hpoo is horse poop.

Sulphur is rotten eggs, beer farts, etc.

Some bacteria can cause fermentation. Maybe what you're perceiving as ammonia may be slightly alcoholic or fermented. Just spit-ballin' here. :shrug:




Ok, not sulphur then lol.

It didn't smell alcoholic or fermented either (like fermented fruit or something similar). It was something different.

I dried them cracker dry, have them in the freezer and plan to consume them in a tea if it's safe to do so considering that smell :um:


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26605922 - 04/16/20 01:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As an aside, I smell my LC after inoculating jars and (because I'm weird) I then give it a taste test if it passes the sniff test. To me, it tastes like very clean water with the slightest note of apples. And by slight, I mean a whisper of a hint of a shadow of a memory something an old girlfriend said one night while falling asleep. It's practically non-existent. I've never had a problem with my LC, it's just how I perceive it. This could just be how you perceive the bouquet of your current project.

The good news is you got fruits! Once you've run things through the dehydrator it's totally safe. Bonus points for doing tea, it's the only way I fly these days. :thumbup:


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Morbility]
    #26605929 - 04/16/20 01:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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As an aside, I smell my LC after inoculating jars and (because I'm weird) I then give it a taste test if it passes the sniff test. To me, it tastes like very clean water with the slightest note of apples. And by slight, I mean a whisper of a hint of a shadow of a memory something an old girlfriend said one night while falling asleep. It's practically non-existent. I've never had a problem with my LC, it's just how I perceive it. This could just be how you perceive the bouquet of your current project.

The good new is you got fruits! Once you've run things through the dehydrator it's totally safe. Bonus points for doing tea, it's the only way I fly these days. :thumbup:




Haha nice, description. In this case, the smell is more prominent than just a note.

Actually, I dried them with a fan and afterwards with desiccant. I hope freezing them and making tea is enough to kill any bad stuff. Don't want to get botulism or something nasty like that lol.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26605937 - 04/16/20 01:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nah man,  you're good to go. Between that and dumping them in boiling water to make the tea, ain't nothing going to survive that would harm you. Botulinin toxins only occur in anaerobic environments anyway, so if you had a legitimate concern about it you can definitely put that to bed.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Morbility]
    #26606003 - 04/16/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Nah man,  you're good to go. Between that and dumping them in boiling water to make the tea, ain't nothing going to survive that would harm you. Botulinin toxins only occur in anaerobic environments anyway, so if you had a legitimate concern about it you can definitely put that to bed.




Thanks a lot, that's a huge relief. I've read many people say you shouldn't consume mushrooms that smell like that, just like you wouldn't eat any food that doesn't smell ok, but I guess the heat will kill everything.

I have one last question: do you see the white dots that look like cotton on the first picture? They have been there for almost 2 days and haven't changed in colour. Do you think it's safe to fan or would that free contaminant spores?


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26606059 - 04/16/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Trust your gut. You can always break off a tiny chunk of suspect fruit and do a taste test to see if it's really sketchy or not before committing to a full dose. I don't much like the taste of cubes, but most people can tell the difference between tasting the medicine and tasting something that shouldn't be there. I don't know of any toxins that would survive the post-harvest routine, but in the off chance that something was there it would be so minuscule inside a typical cube dose that your digestive system would break it down. The indigestion and nausea from eating fruits and not being able to process chitin is far worse than anything hitching a ride in your finished boomers. Since you're making tea, indigestion is one less hassle to deal with, and the heat will also help to break down anything bad.

I type a lot, but to put it a different way: I have a better chance of winning the lottery than you have of getting sick from your harvest, and I don't gamble :grin:

Fanning by itself doesn't do a whole lot, it's kind of a dying practice. I definitely see the difference in color, but I can't tell if it's bac, trich, or just some aerial myc that's looking for some more air. Regardless, if you want to fan it you're totally fine to do so. Just keep an eye on those areas and if you see them start to change color that's your indicator that the grow is done and it's time to dump it or bury it outside for ma nature to deal with. It's always best to catch contams sooner than later if you know what you're looking at, but spores don't actually start spreading around until you see a color shift.

I've got a shoebox going right now that had bright spots like yours since week 1 that I swore were trich, and the jar itself was pretty sketchy. I spawned it on March 24th and the spots are still there, just chillin' out and not affecting anything. No idea what the story is, but I've got pins popping up all over the place so I'm just letting it ride out. Sometimes the surface just does weird stuff.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Morbility]
    #26606084 - 04/16/20 03:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks man, appreciate your detailed help.

I'll see how this second flush turns out. Who knows, maybe these smell perfectly normal and then it won't be so frustrating to throw the first flush away. But I think you're right, boiling water will kill almost anything.

Actually I decided to try tea, because every time I've tripped (like 4-5 times, not many actually) I got nauseous from mushrooms and truffles.

I asked about the fanning, because last time I misted was yesterday and since the bag is slightly open, there's no moisture on the surface of the substrate.


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    #26606095 - 04/16/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Sometimes the puffs of myc are just from grains being right on the surface too.


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    #26607192 - 04/17/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Sometimes the puffs of myc are just from grains being right on the surface too.




Thank you!

Yeah, could be just that. It's still white, hasn't grown much and no new smells, so I'm not too worried.

Side-pins are making a comeback though. The people from the shop reccomended fruiting the cake vertically instead of horizontally, so it can pin on the sides without causing trouble.

Is this a good idea? How can I handle the cake outside of the grow bag and not contaminate it? I could try doing it inside the grow bag but it will be very difficult.


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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26607545 - 04/17/20 09:00 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

As long as the block is colonized you can handle it without contaminating it.

When I get really bad side and bottom pins during later flushes I’ll put the sub on a raised grate in a humidity chamber.



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    #26607585 - 04/17/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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As long as the block is colonized you can handle it without contaminating it.

When I get really bad side and bottom pins during later flushes I’ll put the sub on a raised grate in a humidity chamber.






Thank you! Nice pics in your signature as well, they even look tasty lol

Since I'm not getting too many side-pins and I could damage the pins that are growing on the top-side, I think I'm going to leave it as it is and fruit it on it's side for the next flush.

I'm still trying to figure out how to find the balance between humidity and enough FAE. As soon as I mist a bit, it tends to pool, but to my untrained eye, the fruits seem to need more humidity.

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Re: Sweet smell always bad sign? [Re: Farnaby1984]
    #26607594 - 04/17/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

@Farnaby1984: I just sent you a :pm:


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