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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: poisoned]
    #26613203 - 04/19/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah man ditch the heater lc doesn’t need it. They go quick anyways.

I forget what jars these are but I think this is what you’re talking about.



I only made a few but it was fine. I guess occasionally they stall out from something relates to gas exchange. I’ve heard claims if it stalls you can flip it upside down or on the side to make it finish but idk.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: A.k.a]
    #26613487 - 04/19/20 05:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

fair enough I might just order some online I do have two plastic shoe box size totes how do you set those up opposed to pf tek. I just watched the video on it so it makes sense but im up for any suggestions if its as easy as pf tek then im down It seems like I have everything but the perlite which ill prob just order via amazon.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26613505 - 04/19/20 05:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t like pf tek myself.

Shoeboxes you just mix colonized grain with coir.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: A.k.a]
    #26613528 - 04/19/20 06:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

so anything grain related is for a dump and mix type of thing huh ? ive heard you can food process your cakes or cheese grate them to mix them with casing, ever tried that. this is all just super new and fascinating. Can you do agar to pf tek inoculation ? I have some agar stuff on the way also ordered lions main mycelium just for fun too.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26613531 - 04/19/20 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

how do I get coir ?


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26613538 - 04/19/20 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yup, grains are dump n' mix. Couldn't be simpler. You don't need perlite for shoeboxes. They're just smaller scale tubs, so you'd just be using whatever grain spawn you've decided on and coir to start out.

I've never heard of anyone doing agar to PF, since PF is inoculated with a syringe. You probably could rig up a way to do it, but if you're working with agar it makes PF unnecessary aside from experimentation and playing around.

People have had success grating up their cakes and mixing them with their substrate of choice, but again, if you're going to learn how to do things with agar you're just looking at creating more work for yourself.

Coir can be had on Amazon or as reptile bedding at a pet store. You want the solid bricks of it that need to be rehydrated, but a bag of loose stuff will work too if that's all you can get.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26613578 - 04/19/20 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well I guess I just have the stuff to do agar later. I just kept reading that agar is the way to go and sometimes I don't know who to believe but I have more than enough stuff to keep me busy I have the taller 1/2 pint jars now and the shorty's coming from amazon have perlite on the way I figure im to committed  to not try pf tek now. hoping this LC grows more I haven't seen any frothiness yet. the guy said he would get me a new syringe if this one doesn't pan out but im bummed about the grains if they don't  work lol


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26613855 - 04/19/20 08:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Your grains could still work out. It's waaaayy too early to be declaring them a lost cause after 3 days. I've had good LC take well over a week to show up in my grain jars after inoculation, but everything you see on here would have you thinking that no recovery from LC after 3 days means it's done for. I've also had spores take 2 weeks to show signs of life on agar. Hell, I had a stalled jar that didn't fully colonize sitting for over two months that I spawned to a shoebox for the hell of it and I just pulled the first harvest today. Genetics, environment, experience, and tons of other things all factor into how fast you see things take off.

It's also really difficult not to helicopter your projects when starting out. I'm still somewhat guilty of it over a year later, but we learn more as experience develops. I've got a triched out tub in quarantine right now that's still giving me tons of side pins to harvest. I just poke my head in every now and then to see how big my fruits are and then go back to being a couch potato locked in my house while I wait for flush #5 to finish out. :grin: And I've got a shoebox fruiting. And I've got jars colonizing and dishes waiting for transfers. Once you get your additional gear in you'll be able to branch into other aspects of the hobby, and that helps cut down on stress and loving your grows to death.

PF tek is totally cool if you went all in. There's a reason people still use it after all this time. It isn't going to get you mad canopies, but you'll definitely learn from it. I'm of the mindset that if you have any interest in doing more than just little stuff or want to explore this as a hobby, agar=mandatory. It opens up tons of avenues and makes things much cleaner and predictable. It's 100% the way to go, and it's not difficult at all. The amount of info here is overwhelming and even intimidating at times, but for a nerd like me it's fun as hell.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26614332 - 04/20/20 04:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If you're already doing A2A, you can also do A2G. It's the same procedure, there's just a different substrate below that lid.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: poisoned]
    #26614453 - 04/20/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To be clear and thanks for all the help guys. I was naive and have learned more since inoculation. I took spores directly and put them in  two 5 grain bags. I then put the remaining spores into a premade sterilized LC jar that I bought. So I'm not giving up but have come to the conclusion that I would have had a much better chance getting the spores awake first. It's all very interesting. Also my grains are under a water heater It was sitting at 79 which sketched me out my house temp is like 75 all the time. Think I can just keep it at 75 to buffer it from dropping lower than that ? It was either 75 or 79 on the temp control so I dont have allot of middle ground.  Also only been since tuesday since I injected the grain bags. Can you visibly isolate with agar or do I need a microscope as well.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26614456 - 04/20/20 06:30 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'll put a list up of all the supplies I've ordered in the past two days when I get out of bed.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26614459 - 04/20/20 06:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is my lc jar hopefully you can see what's growing and tell me if this looks right down bu the magnet little black dots are conglomeating into dots almost together by hair like structures


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26614844 - 04/20/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ultimately my goal is to be self sufficient and no longer need to order spores etc. online. Kinda excited to mess with this lions main when it arrives.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26614934 - 04/20/20 10:35 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey dude I had a quick look through your thread. And it feels to me like you really want to succeed with this. Im a noob myself, but Im starting to see some results. What I can tell you though is that a good way to start is through agar. Its awesome if you can get proper petri dishes and all, but even pp5 like pastywhites easy tek will get you somewhere quicker than shooting syringes you're not sure are clean into grain or pf tek.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: redhandmat]
    #26615385 - 04/20/20 01:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I really do want to succeed. I tend to obsess over hobbies so I feel like this one will keep me busy. I have 20 petri dishes a dissection lit and agar powder and clean syringes all on the way could totally do agar I'm making my sab box today. Also got an inoculation loop have a nice torch etc. I think everything to do agar but how do you transfer agar to a syringe you make some sort of LC with the clean agar ?


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26615426 - 04/20/20 01:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Nice! Sounds like you're all set to jump in and really get into things. Since you've got syringes coming, I highly recommend doing the Josex Poke for LC. It takes a little longer to colonize, but it's never once failed me. It works for doing dish-to-dish transfers as well. The tek is a little lengthy to read, but if you follow it exactly as he describes you can't go wrong.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26619584 - 04/22/20 09:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Were approaching the beginning of day 8 since spore inject into my 5 grain bags. Starting to get a lil stanky in my closet might move to a diffent area of my house lol. My LC jar looks like its finally colonizing little floating black specs of the spore attching to hair/string like white stuff floating around. What do I have to lose from reinjecting with the alive  mycelium now ? I know I risk contam but dont want this bag to go to waste what do I have to lose lol. Also when should i consider the first inject a loss and maybe try again ? I was told that can be 20 plus days to germinate. Those grains would be ripe af by then lol based on how they smell now


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26619674 - 04/22/20 09:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If they smell bad, they're probably bad.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: poisoned]
    #26619768 - 04/22/20 10:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

You shouldn't be smelling anything at this point. If you are, I guarantee whatever you're growing isn't mushrooms. Sorry to say dude, but it sounds like this is a no-go.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26620013 - 04/22/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So its not normal for grains to smell a tiny bit in bags. Just kinda smells like sweaty grains it's not like spoiled yet. But its being incubated in a plastic toat it's been like 73-75 degrees with my house fluctuating at night. I have 2 syringes of gt on the way for microscopy purposes;).


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