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IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG
    #26605577 - 04/16/20 11:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok I know I messed up bought a grow kit. its a Midwest growkit with 5 grain spawn bags 2 of them. Inoculated both with 7 ccs of spore culture via syringe. How do you know if a bag needs more water, its been 3 days and no signs of mycelium bags don't seem as wet and steamy as other bags ive seen online, does that just happen once allot of growth has happened from heat. Just nervous my bag is too dry, I used it the day I received the shipment and they claim to send out freshly made bags. Bought this kit to learn about the hobby really would appreciate advice.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26605608 - 04/16/20 11:09 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A little dry is better than too wet.

Germination of spores can take days to weeks. Just check back on it in week or two.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: shevanel]
    #26605676 - 04/16/20 11:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:whathesaid:

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Honestly though, you'd be surprised at how little moisture is needed to make these things grow. I'm still wrapping my head around dialing it in, but if it seems dry there's a good chance it's fine. Make sure you keep your heat in check too--70F to 75F is ideal, 80F is edging up against promoting contamination. Things usually start to take off once you see a little patch of myc beginning, but the waiting can be bitch.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: shevanel]
    #26606105 - 04/16/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thank you very much really appreciate the advice I figured I'm just being impatient and just don't know what to expect. I put the remaining 6 ccs of liquid culture into a sterile liquid culture jar as an insurance policy. I will keep you guys posted. I'm using Pink Thai Elephant shrooms, the jar will also additionally tell me if I got good spores so I like the thought of that as well.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606114 - 04/16/20 03:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also temperature is set to 75 in my house. Lately its actually been worrying me these past couple nights have dropped into the 50/60s leaving it about 70 degrees in the am this should still be ok though right. Also it sounds like I put a little extra juice in the bags thinking it would help. glad I only did 7 ccs not like 30 which I heard from another post and it being way to soggy. Ill keep you posted guys. Also anything that works as good as the aerosol Lysol literally cant find any these days with this corona shit. I have other "mold cleaning products which ive been avidly wiping and sterilizing. Also as far a temp goes when it gets hotter in the summer I also bought the kit that has thermos and humidity regulation. Hopefully this 110$ will be a good learning experience to say the least.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606118 - 04/16/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The myc generates heat as it grows which causes condensation.

Lc is tricky especially with spores, if it grows I’d make a brf paste plate to test it on.

Cleaning won’t really do anything, the bag should be sterile.

And damn five pounds of grain for 110?? Maybe I should get in the grow kit game.

I know you know but man you could’ve bought a pressure cooker a case of jars and 20lbs of bird seed for that and ran shoeboxes nonstop for months.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606155 - 04/16/20 04:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with A.k.a. It's always good to keep your grow area clean and sanitized, but spraying Lysol, Oust, etc. around only makes the air smell pretty and wastes your cleaning products. The only sterile environment in a grow is inside your jars or your bags.

A temperature dip at night isn't going to hurt anything. It might slow your colonization down a bit, but as long as you aren't freezing your spawn you're fine.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26606568 - 04/16/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah i wish i would have done more research, the sellers was reputable and i guess i got so excited i stopped looking into details.. I have a pressure cooker for food that will work in the future I assume. I dont have any Agar plates unfortunately. When I move i plan to have a better area dedicated to it. What do you think are the odds this thing takes off.? along with the spores i injected in the substrate jar of liquid. Shouldn't I see visible activity in the jar before my bags.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606582 - 04/16/20 07:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I bet it’ll go. I did like 20+ spore syringe to grain grows when I started.

Probably 90% of spores I’ve worked with germinated by day 5.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: A.k.a]
    #26606604 - 04/16/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

What’s this sterile liquid culture jar you shot spores into? Just curious. Did you order a pre-made and sterilized LC?


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26606883 - 04/16/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah premade and sterilized, its a mason jar with a self healing injector port and a filter. maybe that was a wrong move


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606889 - 04/16/20 10:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

dope this is all really useful I think technically today is the end of day 3. I injected them on Tuesday evening. Its all super interesting for sure. ONE thing im also really worried about is contamination. After the bag is colonized and its time to dump it in the casting and all that with the fancy kit it bought do I need  to trip about cleanliness. I WOULD BE SO MAD AT MY SELF IF I GROW GREEN MOLD LOL


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26606979 - 04/16/20 11:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The odds are not stacked in your favor putting spores straight to grain. I have done it myself countless times and only mold to show for it. If you want to increase your chances of growing fruits you will want to learn agar. This hobby isn't quick and easy which is why the idea of squirting some spores on grain and growing mushrooms is a false advertisement. Lots of reading, patience, and cleanliness is how you end up being successful in this hobby.

Having said that people do get lucky from time to time but I wouldn't put all your spores in 2 grain bags (pun intended).


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: CocaineBuffet]
    #26607589 - 04/17/20 09:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It depends on the syringes.

I bought four from a big vendor when I started and did tons of syringe to grain grows and never lost a jar. Sometimes I had a little bacteria but still got a good grow out of all of them.

I also made spore lcs, finally tested two when I got agar and both came up clean which shocked me.


My theory is anywhere that sells PE syringes will probably have clean syringes since they have to use a machine to get the spores that also separates contams.

At least according to what I read. And experienced myself.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: A.k.a]
    #26607791 - 04/17/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

fair enough can only wait and see I guess. hopefully these next couple days the myc takes off. Today the bags were noticeably way more concinnated, trying to not get my hopes up to much but wouldn't that kinda indicate a heat reaction aka the spores becoming alive and breaking down the seed.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26607818 - 04/17/20 10:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

also any recommendations for spores if this fails ill need more obviously. still not seeing any changes in my liquid culture jar that's inoculated as well. Need a good spore site for the U.S. Preferably thanks squad.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp]
    #26608489 - 04/17/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hate to disappoint you, but you're probably just seeing normal condensation in that bag. Noticeable moisture this early in the grow doesn't relate to mycelial activity since there isn't tons of it happening. It can definitely cause a ramp in humidity once things take off and your spawn is colonized, though.

We can't discuss vendors here for the purposes of growing, since spores are intended for microscopy use only. Any of the bigger/older vendors that are advertised here should be a perfectly good source of scientific material in the States. Also keep in mind that you sometimes get what you pay for depending on who you source from. :wink:


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26612572 - 04/19/20 09:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Morbidity or anyone else. Im gonna set up pf tek, how big of an issue is it that I bought the taller half pint jars. I didn't see wide mouth ones..if its a huge issue ill go buy the others however if it really isn't that big of a deal then am I  good? Also realized my LC I ordered was not incubating at the right temp. stuck it in with my kombucha heater for fermentation which was at 80 turned it up to 83 and  it seems like the black spore specs are reproducing and conglomerating together


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: TrippyMomp] * 1
    #26613038 - 04/19/20 01:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I only do tubs and shoeboxes, so I can't really speak to PF tek aside from what I've read. You can use regular sized jars if you want to try it out, but once you're ready to remove the cakes it can be much more difficult than with the wide mouth ones. I think shoeboxes are better for people just starting out, but that's just my opinion. PF tek will definitely work as a learning tool, but to me it seems like a lot of extra work and babysitting needed vs. just setting up a shoebox.

I strongly advise against breaking out a heater/warming mat/etc. At 80F you're pushing the edge of promoting contams, and it isn't going to ramp your colonization time up that much. Ideal temps are 70F-75F or thereabouts. A little above or below is okay, but unless you're trying to grow in a garage without insulation in the Winter, heating your grow up is going to cause more problems than it solves, especially since you're still learning how things should look, etc.


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Re: IM DUMB I KNOW BUT HELP; moisture content in SPAWN BAG [Re: Morbility]
    #26613105 - 04/19/20 02:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Tall PF cakes often have issues with compression, which makes the bottoms hard to colonize sometimes.


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