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Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person?
#26605364 - 04/16/20 09:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is that illegal, specifically in the USA? Is there a certain threshold that has to be reached for it to become illegal? Like 10,000 emails in one day? This is a super open-ended question, so any relevant legal info anyone has regarding this would be fine, thank you!
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26605409 - 04/16/20 10:12 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Surely it's immoral, which trumps legality any day of the week, right?
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#26605413 - 04/16/20 10:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Il just say I have no clue, country's might have different laws regarding that but I'm sure ddosing is illegal and its causing damage (like criminal damage laws) And that's basically just flooding a server with information so it shutsdown and causes damage/financial damages(loss of revenue)
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26605618 - 04/16/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: Surely it's immoral, which trumps legality any day of the week, right?
In most cases, yea. What if a person was using their email for bad, though, and spamming their email was beneficial to stopping them?
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26605809 - 04/16/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you're a vigilante now? Surely you should report him to the authorities if that is the case, rather than take matters into your own hands.
You would be very much a hypocrite if you choose the latter too, since you so recently screwed a man in court for doing exactly that.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26605950 - 04/16/20 02:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm just asking a simple question if it's legal to do what I'm talking about or not. Let's try to stay on topic.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26606174 - 04/16/20 04:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry mate, but you're surely one for freedom of speech, and I'm not about to hold my tongue whilst you commit more immoral acts and ask for advice on how to do so from the community.
I sincerely hope it is illegal and you do not go through with it.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26606210 - 04/16/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you're asking about is called an e-mail bomber. Writing one isn't illegal, but using one may be considered a denial of service attack which is a criminal offense in the US.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: stubb]
#26606218 - 04/16/20 05:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your ISP could shut you off if it appears your ip is acting maliciously
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#26607656 - 04/17/20 09:41 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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stubb said: What you're asking about is called an e-mail bomber. Writing one isn't illegal, but using one may be considered a denial of service attack which is a criminal offense in the US.
That makes sense. I've heard of DDOS attacks, but thought those were more aimed at servers, not individual email addresses. I'll do more research.
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Sugabearcrisp said: Your ISP could shut you off if it appears your ip is acting maliciously
Hmmm makes sense.
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Jokeshopbeard said: Sorry mate, but you're surely one for freedom of speech, and I'm not about to hold my tongue whilst you commit more immoral acts and ask for advice on how to do so from the community.
I sincerely hope it is illegal and you do not go through with it.
You are assuming a lot here. To assume makes an ass out of you and me. Please, can we just have a mature conversation about the legality of the issue I asked? That's all I asked. If you don't have any relevant legal information then please stop posting and cluttering this thread up. It's not even 10 posts deep and you're causing this to go off-topic.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26607737 - 04/17/20 10:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A mature conversation would involve you being open and honest about your intentions.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#26608000 - 04/17/20 11:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: That makes sense. I've heard of DDOS attacks, but thought those were more aimed at servers, not individual email addresses. I'll do more research.
An individual's e-mail comes from an e-mail server, a server also handles other people's e-mail. While it's very unlikely that just you running a single bomber could have any impact on a public e-mail server - if someone keeps dumping trucks of mail addressed to one person onto the community mailbox, that person's neighbors can't get to their mail either.
I'm not a law scholar, but I think intent is relevant to what you're asking. Sending automated e-mails to an individual in bulk may not be illegal at all, or it may violate computer fraud and telecommunications harassment laws.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26613387 - 04/19/20 04:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It is not illegal to make such a program in the USA. It would definitely break several laws if you ran it, and open you up to lawsuits.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#26615500 - 04/20/20 02:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What laws and lawsuits do you speak of?
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26615889 - 04/20/20 05:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whose email are you wanting to spam?
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26615918 - 04/20/20 05:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: What laws and lawsuits do you speak of?
As far as criminal liability, The CFAA - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act - is an incredibly open ended law under which people have been successfully prosecuted for carrying out DoS attacks. Telecommunications harassment laws vary state to state, in Colorado the "Kiana Arellano Law" - https://codes.findlaw.com/co/title-18-criminal-code/co-rev-st-sect-18-9-111.html
There are countless possible civil liabilities.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: stubb]
#26741131 - 06/13/20 06:24 AM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any mail server worth its weight in salt will flag that shit and start rejecting the incoming mail before it could create a ddos scenario. It would do little besides waste electricity.
Scripts that sign addresses up to many spam lists automatically are a thing though. But that's a lot more legwork to build, and yes its been illegal for more than 15 years. People have been prosecuted for it.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] 1
#26935834 - 09/14/20 07:51 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Running it would be an attempt at a form of denial of service attack, which is defined as purposely interrupting the service, usability, or availability of a resource. In this case it is just this user's mailbox, but a denial of service nonetheless.
If you got caught and it were ever attempted to be enforced,You *Might* get away with just saying you are mass mailing aka spam, also illegal.
It won't be enforced, or even seen, in any way shape or form, unless this particular person is running their own mail server from 20 years ago on their own equipment at their house. So many spam hits mail servers that your attempt would be blocked and logged, but likely never seen by anyone.
No email provider is going to accept more than the first three or four messages from you once it instantly figures out you are spamming it.
additionally, Your mail provider is never going to let you send that amount of spam out, as they will end up on realtime black lists, which would stop their customers from being able to send any legitimate mail.
If you try to get around that problem by just running your own mail server from your ISP, you aren't going to have a proper PTR, SPF, or DMARC record, and no mail provider will accept even one message from you.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: karri0n]
#26939946 - 09/17/20 12:12 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting reply. Instead of sending mass emails from one email, what if the script makes hundreds of new email addresses and then uses them to send a few emails out each. 500 email addresses * 5 emails = 2,500 emails sent. Would that be detected, you think?
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26939965 - 09/17/20 12:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Each mail sent would need to authenticate with an SMTP server, or would hit a hard request limit before much mail would be sent.
This sort of fuckery has been unfucked long ago in the 90s, with current email protocols and protections it's just not possible.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#26941332 - 09/17/20 08:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Interesting reply. Instead of sending mass emails from one email, what if the script makes hundreds of new email addresses and then uses them to send a few emails out each. 500 email addresses * 5 emails = 2,500 emails sent. Would that be detected, you think?
Spammers thought of this back in 1992 and it isn't going to work.
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Re: Is it legal to make a little programming script that sends thousands of emails to one person? [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 2
#26942509 - 09/18/20 01:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: Interesting reply. Instead of sending mass emails from one email, what if the script makes hundreds of new email addresses and then uses them to send a few emails out each. 500 email addresses * 5 emails = 2,500 emails sent. Would that be detected, you think?
1. Yes, this would be detected.
2. The problem isn't the email "address". An email server lets you say your address is whatever you want. I could send an email from barackobama@whitehouse.gov as long as I were doing so from a legit email server, and it would probably arrive at its destination.
3. The problem is the email "provider", or email server. They aren't going to let you send mail through them. You could setup your own smtp server on your computer, but no one is going to accept mail coming from your consumer ISP modem's ip address.
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