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caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them
#26604930 - 04/16/20 06:07 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am about to pack my dried cubes into 0.2g caps for microdosing, but won't eat them straight away.
If I want to keep it for say 6 months or a year, is it better to:
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas] 1
#26604996 - 04/16/20 06:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well if you can truly vac seal and keep air out they shouldnt even need freezing. This aint done with capsules but its an interesting read. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26217242
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas]
#26605058 - 04/16/20 07:44 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would also like to know the answer to this question, as I totes intend to do the same.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas]
#26605311 - 04/16/20 09:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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For long-term preservation you're always better off with the least amount of damage as possible. The more you break apart your fruits, the more surface area you will expose to O2, moisture, and light. The active compounds will readily oxidize and degrade in potency the more you cut/break/grind/powder/etc.
I've stored dried fruits in a simple opaque plastic container in my fridge for longer than 3 years and still tripped off 1g. If you want to do things ahead of time you should be fine grinding and using capsules and tossing a desiccant in the bag with it. Cold store them wherever you want and use them whenever your personal protocol dictates.
You've kinda answered your own question here though--the more preventative measures you take, the less degradation you'll have. IMO, if you're only looking to set yourself up for microdosing for 6 months to a year you don't need to be totally anal since loss of potency will be minimal.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: Morbility] 1
#26605324 - 04/16/20 09:37 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’d only make a weeks worth at a time, but I’m kinda paranoid and had bad experiences with stored caps and potency.
Lots of people grind up shrooms and make caps and store them in jars for long stretches with no problem though.
I just like to make them as I go myself.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: A.k.a] 1
#26605377 - 04/16/20 09:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dry cracker dry, grind and pack tight immediately. Long term I recommend Vac seal then freeze.
I had a friend recently find two bundles, one vac sealed caps and one just capped. Both were a few years old and not frozen, just in the safe or sock drawer. The vac sealed ones definitely held up better, but can’t say for sure they were the same age or potency going in.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: Cootermonkey] 1
#26612838 - 04/19/20 12:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morbility said: IMO, if you're only looking to set yourself up for microdosing for 6 months to a year you don't need to be totally anal since loss of potency will be minimal.
Thanks Morbidity (and all others). Yeah, I should have started there: I don't want to store for more than 6 months, so I guess I don't need to get crazy about it...
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Cootermonkey said: Well if you can truly vac seal and keep air out they shouldnt even need freezing. This aint done with capsules but its an interesting read. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26217242
So from this thread it seems a jar is actually the best way to go. I found some 4l / 1 gallon jars online for quite cheap, so I'll go with that.
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A.k.a said: I’d only make a weeks worth at a time, but I’m kinda paranoid and had bad experiences with stored caps and potency.
That's probably what I'll do... But more like one or two months...
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas]
#26612848 - 04/19/20 12:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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U don't have to freeze properly-dried mushrooms. I don't see any benefit to that. But yeah, the other steps are definitely the way to go. Dry, stuff into capsules, store in cool, dry place.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas] 1
#26612885 - 04/19/20 12:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So from this thread it seems a jar is actually the best way to go. I found some 4l / 1 gallon jars online for quite cheap, so I'll go with that
I agree, jars are best, but only true 2-piece-lid canning jars. I've only seen those up to 2l/half gallon. The larger size are generally for decoration, not actually airtight. But if you've found some, I'd like to know where.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: LadysKnight]
#26613235 - 04/19/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me too.
I almost bought the gallon jars then I decided to unscrew the cap cuz it looked different. It had some plastic thing instead of the normal two piece.
Had to settle for the half’s.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: LadysKnight]
#26620337 - 04/22/20 03:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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LadysKnight said: I agree, jars are best, but only true 2-piece-lid canning jars. I've only seen those up to 2l/half gallon. The larger size are generally for decoration, not actually airtight. But if you've found some, I'd like to know where.
Oh my, I noob thought a jar's a jar, right!?! As long as it's made of glas 
Here it is:

So you probably are going to tell me these don't work now...
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas]
#26620373 - 04/22/20 03:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I’m experimenting with my first grow, and drying, and encapsulating. The capsules I made contain 0.3 g of dry each. And I made 72 of them. My understanding of dried shrooms is that whether you leave them in a mason jar whole, stored with a desiccant, or you leave them in a mason jar in capsules, also with a desiccant, that they are basically the same and should last over a year? All this is assuming I actually got them cracker dry to begin with.
The other thing, too, it’s something I kind of got in the habit doing with both morning glory seeds and Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, and that is that when I stick them in a coffee grinder I don’t just let the grinder go constantly for however long it takes to get everything powder. I always limit the amount of time the blade is spinning to a few seconds. Kind of just like pulsing it until they’re done. I’m just hypothesizing that the kind of intense trauma from rapidly spinning blades might cause damage possibly to active ingredients. Of course that’s just speculation on my part. Because I think with LSA that is a factor Since the LSA molecules are much more delicate.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: cracoucas]
#26620420 - 04/22/20 04:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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cracoucas said:
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LadysKnight said: I agree, jars are best, but only true 2-piece-lid canning jars. I've only seen those up to 2l/half gallon. The larger size are generally for decoration, not actually airtight. But if you've found some, I'd like to know where.
Oh my, I noob thought a jar's a jar, right!?! As long as it's made of glas 
Here it is:

So you probably are going to tell me these don't work now...
I have lots of those jars, I personally wouldn't trust them for this important task to save all my hard work in. Your mileage may vary.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: LadysKnight]
#26620524 - 04/22/20 04:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that’s how you store them.
I also pulse the grinder but it’s just to give the stuff a chance to settle for a split second it seems to grind smoother like that. I also rock it a little bit while it’s going for the same reason.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: A.k.a]
#26620755 - 04/22/20 06:15 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Yeah that’s how you store them.
I also pulse the grinder but it’s just to give the stuff a chance to settle for a split second it seems to grind smoother like that. I also rock it a little bit while it’s going for the same reason.
And don't forget, I'm sure you also wait a few seconds after you're done grinding to let the powder settle, before pulling the lid off, lest you have a cloud of shroom powder diffusing all over your kitchen.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26620758 - 04/22/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol yeah but some always floats out and gets in my mouth and tastes gross.
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Re: caps, is it better to: grind > pack > freeze OR freeze > grind when you need them [Re: A.k.a]
#26620785 - 04/22/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: lol yeah but some always floats out and gets in my mouth and tastes gross.
What I have been doing since I started grinding and putting the powder into capsules is I wait at least 10 to 15 seconds before opening the top of the coffee grinder. I have found anecdotally that it also helps to tap the removable top a few times, but I wait at least another 10 seconds after tapping to remove it, so it gives the powder a chance to settle that I just hopefully knocked off the top down into the main grinding chamber.
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