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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26607839 - 04/17/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I give up. We are all fake op. You are just dreaming..... WAKE UP




Because you aren’t grasping the issue


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26607844 - 04/17/20 10:46 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Fine. If I'm just a projection that YOU are making then that means I am the part of your subconcious that is telling you to stop being a :dumbass:. Get your shit together. Gather it all up and put it in a backpack. I dont care what you do with it. Sell it to a shit museum. Take it to the shit store. I dont care. Just get your shit together.

Edit: even if your theory Is true YOU STILL FUCKING EXIST man :frown: why cant you just enjoy it?


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26607853 - 04/17/20 10:50 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Fine. If I'm just a projection that YOU are making then that means I am the part of your subconcious that is telling you to stop being a :dumbass:. Get your shit together. Gather it all up and put it in a backpack. I dont care what you do with it. Sell it to a shit museum. Take it to the shit store. I dont care. Just get your shit together.

Edit: even if your theory Is true YOU STILL FUCKING EXIST man :frown: why cant you just enjoy it?



Nice rick and morty quote but it just shows you don’t grasp the issue of solipsism


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26607855 - 04/17/20 10:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No it shows YOU dont get the issue of enjoying that you even exist..... and thank you, I've always wanted a chance to use that quote haha


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26607856 - 04/17/20 10:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You are troubled by your interpretation of solipsism.

Solipsism doesnt have to be a bad thing, let alone one to kill yourself over.

On the contrary, if you fancy yourself in a lucid dream, go have fun with it in ways that no one gets hurt in case you're wrong.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26607861 - 04/17/20 10:55 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If there ISN'T another

There NEVER WAS another

So its not a bad thing


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26607884 - 04/17/20 11:05 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You are troubled by your interpretation of solipsism.

Solipsism doesnt have to be a bad thing, let alone one to kill yourself over.

On the contrary, if you fancy yourself in a lucid dream, go have fun with it in ways that no one gets hurt in case you're wrong.



Solipsism is always a bad thing and this isn’t like a lucid dream, not even close. In those you can do whatever you want but it still suffers the same problems as solipsism in that you know it’s a dream so any relationships don’t matter and are scripted by you.

And if there never was anyone then that just makes suicide all the more appealing and necessary.

It just seems people here don’t understand the gravity of this being true. It would render life utterly pointless to live. If knew for a fact solipsism was true I would kill myself. I would not want to live in a world with just me in it and no one else. It would be the most crippling loneliness and suicide would be the only answer


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26607945 - 04/17/20 11:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

We are all independently thinking folks with lives who have a more or less vague acquaintance on the Internet who believes there's only him talking to himself.

It would be an understantement to say that 99.99% of my life does not revolve around you, amnd I'm sure most in this thread feel the same.

We're real.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26608127 - 04/17/20 01:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We are all independently thinking folks with lives who have a more or less vague acquaintance on the Internet who believes there's only him talking to himself.

It would be an understantement to say that 99.99% of my life does not revolve around you, amnd I'm sure most in this thread feel the same.

We're real.



I want that to be true more than anything but I can’t definitively prove it.

Despite what I say I care too much about people to handle solipsism being true


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608134 - 04/17/20 01:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can't definitively prove your eyeballs too.

You only know youre eyeballs through your senses but you only know your senses through your senses, so this whole world is internally referential.

Theres a point of awareness and experience flows through it.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26608147 - 04/17/20 01:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You can't definitively prove your eyeballs too.

You only know youre eyeballs through your senses but you only know your senses through your senses, so this whole world is internally referential.

Theres a point of awareness and experience flows through it.




The last part is incorrect. The awareness is a product of my brain. Also awareness depends on the senses after all. I can’t definitively prove awareness either.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608151 - 04/17/20 01:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Your brain, too, is a product of your senses, which too, are internally referential.

Just because you see a brain and feel a brain doesn't mean there IS a brain.

You haven't driven the solipsism train far enough.

Ride the Advaita Vedanta train.

Anything but the point of awareness and what flows through it is illusory. Wjat flows through it includes your body.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26608155 - 04/17/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Your brain, too, is a product of your senses, which too, are internally referential.

Just because you see a brain and feel a brain doesn't mean there IS a brain.

You haven't driven the solipsism train far enough.

Ride the Advaita Vedanta train.

Anything but the point of awareness and what flows through it is illusory.




Except the brain isn’t a product of my senses and Advaita Vedanta is essentially self refuting


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608160 - 04/17/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It doesn’t mean there isn’t a brain and the philosophy doesn’t answer “where” the experience comes from or where consciousness comes from.

I definitively know that I am not awareness, I am the body. That my brain is responsible for awareness.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608161 - 04/17/20 01:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If course the brain is a product of your senses. You only know the existence of the brain through the observations of the senses.

To quote Tourettes guy: "You aint SHIT without your BALLS!"

In other words, since we only know the physical world through our sesnses and in fact only know our senses through our senses, its all internally referential hearsay.

The whole physical plane and your body in it may be bullshit.


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    #26608167 - 04/17/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I definitively know that I am not awareness, I am the body. That my brain is responsible for awareness.





You're just regurgitating what you're told.

Thats your basic assumption, that you are this body.

Yet people exists who have any of every single part of it missing and still are human.

There's people with brain remnants the size of a tangerine being functional people. You're talking to a guy with no left coronary artery :smile:

The body is just a thing that comes and goes. You are the constant factor in it. The rest grows up and grows old.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26608170 - 04/17/20 01:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If course the brain is a product of your senses. You only know the existence of the brain through the observations of the senses.

To quote Tourettes guy: "You aint SHIT without your BALLS!"

In other words, since we only know the physical world through our sesnses and in fact only know our senses through our senses, its all internally referential hearsay.

The whole physical plane and your body in it may be bullshit.




That’s what solipsism is saying, so what’s your point exactly? The existence of an external reality explains far more than your limited Vedanta philosophy does.

I mean I only know awareness through my senses as well and if that is a product of my mind as well then my awareness is in doubt. In fact am I aware or do I just respond to stimuli like a barcode scanner?


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26608178 - 04/17/20 01:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I definitively know that I am not awareness, I am the body. That my brain is responsible for awareness.





You're just regurgitating what you're told.

Thats your basic assumption, that you are this body.

Yet people exists who have any of every single part of it missing and still are human.

There's people with brain remnants the size of a tangerine being functional people. You're talking to a guy with no left coronary artery :smile:

The body is just a thing that comes and goes. You are the constant factor in it. The rest grows up and grows old.




Not true, you aren’t the constant factor in it. You are the body, more exactly the brain. There isn’t a you without the brain and no consciousness either. Still doesn’t change that you are the body. It’s not an assumption it’s a fact, more specifically you are the brain. When the body goes so do you, in that I mean death.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608182 - 04/17/20 01:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also you are quite wrong to equate Solipsism with Vedanta, the two are nothing alike.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26608183 - 04/17/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

My point is that since theres only the point of awareness and that what flows through it, everything you believe in only has merrit to the extent its useful to you.

Better a functional delusion than a nonfunctional assumption of truth.

If you believe that Papa Smurf runs the universe and from there, perform epic productive works that benefit the world and yourself, that belief is superior to atheism castrated with occam's razor to the point of only leading to melancholia.

So here's to Papa Smurf :cookiemonster:




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