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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26606002 - 04/16/20 02:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If you aren’t going to help then that’s fine but I’m in the middle of trying to resolve something that I took for granted before and now I literally crippling me and my interaction with other people and my current relationships.




In a few months you'll be like: "Yeah totally, I was having my paradigm shift and wasnt seeing it."


The Skeptic has seen the Enchanted Forest and it can't be unseen.


Thats your paradigm shift.





Your only way out is embracing the Enchanted Forest before you and leaving the Disenchanted Forest of youre former Skepticism behind you.

You're going to learn something about the Universe that, regardless whether true or false, will help build the mental framework of the rest of your life.




It’s more like the skeptic sees the enchanted forest for what it is, just trees.

This also doesn’t solve the problem of solipsism and how I am currently doubting the existence of those I hold dear to my heart.

As for Charlie Chaplin, he’s wrong as anyone who has studied human history knows we have a knack for self destruction and hostility.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26606006 - 04/16/20 02:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If we're all extensions of you, its OK right?

You'd be surrounded by reflections of yourself refracted into different forms.

If there's Only You.. you are God.

(dont go killing people, consequences apply)



It’s not ok, that’s the worst possibility I can imagine. I means everything I do is pointless and that I’m forever alone and I will be psychologically crippled until the end of my sad existence.

It seems you are misunderstanding what solipsism is.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606012 - 04/16/20 02:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ye that would really suck. pretty sure we are real though


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26606046 - 04/16/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I've never heard of this solipsism before, but I didn't get a formal education, I got a "higher" one. Interesting


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 2
    #26606057 - 04/16/20 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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As much as I want to remain a skeptic I can’t deny that I have dreams that tell me of future events and they are pretty detailed with specific images and lines, etc. Though I don’t know when or which dreams come true but when they do I can’t help but feel massive deja vu like I have been there before. If this is real it’s pretty useless since it’s like fast forwarding a movie and then rewinding. Also kind of makes me feel like I’m just along in life for the ride and everything is already predetermined. I can’t really control them either so it’s not useful as an ability.

Scarier still is that I can’t help but think it’s evidence for solipsism




Another explanation that i will put forth is that your brain, as most human brains, is capable of intaking and connecting things with past experiences in ways that our best predictive analytical models could only dream of approaching.

So here your supercomputer brain is putting these things together but they are so complex that the brain cannot directly translate them into reasons that you can understand like you understand not to touch something that is hot.

Instead your brain surfaces these predictive conclusions through gut feels and allegorical constructs called dreams.



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Re: Future vision? [Re: Sugabearcrisp]
    #26606066 - 04/16/20 03:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #26606076 - 04/16/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.




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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606080 - 04/16/20 03:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Might I help you hit rock bottom of your anguish?




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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26606117 - 04/16/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Remember Alan Watts’ short publication (forget the title/name) about:  “ The Eenie Weenie” ?

Anyone?  I’ll find it later and post it, it’s lovely and on topic,


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26606154 - 04/16/20 04:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I do feel that my dreams definitely predicted some moments in my life (2-5 years later), it just isn't exactly 1 for 1. It's more predicting sensation, feelings and experience. A overall life experience in a certain time.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26606312 - 04/16/20 05:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The Egg

By: Andy Weir



You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.







Exactly how many false stories and egotistical fables am I going to hear before you provide anything close to help?

You realize your story leads to nihilism right? And that there is no evidence to back it and plenty to suggest otherwise.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606326 - 04/16/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not to mention it still leads to the same crippling loneliness.

Not to mention story has several gaping holes. That point is mature? Why? Why not just be made whole? What’s the point in maturing? If that’s the case then who made the guy talking to you and other being like him, etc.

It’s a terrible story when you actually think about it and shows how terribly human it is, just like the Bible.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26606336 - 04/16/20 05:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly, I would seek mental help, a therapist. Not even joking. If you truly believe Solipsism is real, then thats not good man. You've lost touch with Reality and could use mental help. And I mean that with the intention of helping not insulting.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26606361 - 04/16/20 06:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I tried therapy in the past but it didn’t help. The only way I had some peace was when I briefly forgot about it.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606367 - 04/16/20 06:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe give it another shot?

Or maybe self-medicate with shroomz? Perhaps that will help your mind "forget" :mushroom2:


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Re: Future vision? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26606412 - 04/16/20 06:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The problem with solipsism is that you can’t prove it but you can’t disprove it. There’s no evidence in either direction and it literally amounts to pure belief.

But I end up believing it’s true to protect myself from having to lose them.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26606436 - 04/16/20 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Actually I found something that helped: https://carm.org/what-is-solipsism-and-is-it-true


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    #26606446 - 04/16/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The problem with solipsism is that you can’t prove it but you can’t disprove it. There’s no evidence in either direction and it literally amounts to pure belief.

But I end up believing it’s true to protect myself from having to lose them.




Of course u cant prove or disprove it, because with Solipsism, u think EVERYTHING is an illusion/hallucination. So all evidence is instantly discounted, making solipsism the silliest fucking Philosophical idea ever made, even more so than Flat Earth Theory!

Its like a mind trap you cant escape.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #26606470 - 04/16/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It is stupid, on some level I know that. Because there is literally no evidence of it and it requires a bunch of axioms to justify itself to the point of absurdity.


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    #26606484 - 04/16/20 07:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Have somebody punch you in the face then come back here and tell me they are  not real.


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