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Re: Future vision? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26614134 - 04/20/20 12:23 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

:uhno:  wot


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614141 - 04/20/20 12:32 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ate some mushrooms and went for a walk today. it was weird. my wife is in the cemetery i spent some time there today. i took 3 pictures today you can look at them if you want to. it's been trying to melt. everything's flooding. been picking at the ice most of the day


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Re: Future vision? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26614152 - 04/20/20 12:43 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You in Laska’ or CA Muncher?


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    #26614155 - 04/20/20 12:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Future vision? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26614163 - 04/20/20 12:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

NC right now.  Everything’s green as can be here :grin: , being outsides great.  Looks epic there as well.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614172 - 04/20/20 01:02 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

it's alright. it's a lot of work. i think i would live in a hotspring if i could. might be selfish. we just mostly finished shoveling now it's snowing like crazy. everything's melting and freezing its a mess. it wants to be cold but the sun is always out now it's an unseen battle. it's pretty epic. veggies are rocking out. mighta planted some stuff a little early i do it every year o well

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Re: Future vision? [Re: MadMuncher]
    #26614179 - 04/20/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Capital of it is getting some rain right now until the sun comes up, it’s lush as can be outside, and there is plant jizz on everything (pollen) making everything tinted in a golden-green hue.  Days are usually 65-78f with a slight breeze. 

All around great, just the light pollution from the city cutting a good portion off starlight that’s the my only real complain.

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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26614182 - 04/20/20 01:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You still HAVE senses. Start there. You can see smell touch taste and hear. That is true is it not? Ok now that that is established you can then use those senses to observe your surroundings. Still with me? Good. In those surroundings you notice other beings with the same abilities. They do not follow your command. That is the first tell tale sign that you don't control shit. And even if this is some elaborate algorithm that your mind has concocted what is the problem? What is stopping you from enjoying this? Even if all of this is fake I am still going to enjoy every second of it. Why wont you? Can you at least give me a reason WHY?




Because if they aren’t real then anything I do is pointless. They won’t feel joy or sadness, or gratitude, it would be like helping a robot out or dating your iPhone. All my interactions would be hollow. The only reason my dreams are different is because I don’t know I’m dreaming so I feels authentic, until I wake up.

This is different. Even if I have my senses and all that means nothing without other people.

That’s what’s stopping me from enjoying this, or rather why I can’t enjoy if it’s true. Nothing can overwrite the crippling cosmic loneliness of solipsism being true. Others can protest and scream and shout but it wouldn’t prove anything, and thats what’s sad. That I’ll never be able to bridge the game between me and “others” because I’ll never know if they are real or not. It’s just belief.

Every friendship, relationship, etc will be tainted by the thought of “what if they aren’t real?”



Key word IF. you have no supporting evidence that it is. I can assure you I am  real based on whatever reality this is. I FORM MY OWN THOUGHTS. you are disabling yourself from nothing. It is almost impressive.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26614194 - 04/20/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

our minds are fairly delicate we have to take care of them.  it doesn't take much to break. driving yourself to the morgue is easy to do. living takes a lot more effort

this thread brings some excellent subjects to ponder but beyond that solophilism isn't worth thinking about or arguing over. it has no benefit for anything.

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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26614504 - 04/20/20 07:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Miss out on life over a potential big if.

:shrug:  Some people can’t help themselves.  Make relationships that aren’t just based in a utility friendship, guarantee your perspective will change if you can do it without making excuses to find a way out of it.  Have a family, see how your own body and a woman’s creates life.

Then you’ll snap out of your fantasy.




I’m gay but having a boyfriend and friends just made things worse, it didn’t change anything. All I could think about is whether or not they’re real the whole time so I just spend my time playing video games to distract me from having to thinking about it.

Some of these responses didn’t help. I mean there isn’t a point of awareness, there’s just sense data. Vedanta is mistaken as it takes awareness as something separate from the senses. It also doesn’t really solve solipsism


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26614560 - 04/20/20 07:45 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Im of a mind that you may be suffering from some mental health or medical issues rather than a philosophical problem.

I mean that in the kindest way possible.  I say that because you constantly skip right beyond rational reasoning in all the months or so I’ve been seeing you post on the boards on a near daily basis-  Missing the context of a point and taking something very basic to an utmost extreme and then trying to justify such absurdities my missing logic as if it’s nothing  .  If you met Socrates back in the day I imagine he would have a field day with you, hopefully for your own benefit, but if the nature of your anguish isn’t really just a world view problem than I doubt even that would be of much assistance.  And I see that is the likeliest  case now.  I knew one or two other people like you, and gradually it became clear that this type of discussion was hurting rather than helping him.  And... eventually I just accepted that such a delusive and irreconcilable view of oneself and the world would live on in this man, and that pointing it out was beyond the point.  I’ve seen one person recover from such a sorry excuse for a state before, and he and the world was better for it.

Such a thing is not healthy or the norm, nor does it reflect a mind thats grounded with clear discernment - but rather a perverted system of belief with a heavy confirmation bias of the worst variety and then some.  I see you miss the essence of so many posts, in favor of your ridiculous deductions and inferences that I face palm daily, and I only point this out because I’m not sure you have to continue to live like this if you got the right kind professional help or just the right help. take a while to find someone or something or someway that works in your own best interests, but it’s not impossible if you put forth the necessary effort without giving up. That’s beyond this forum though.

I’m done trying to point out the sky to you and I wish you good luck.  That wraps it up for me.  Much love and may you peace one day.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26615186 - 04/20/20 12:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Im of a mind that you may be suffering from some mental health or medical issues rather than a philosophical problem.

I mean that in the kindest way possible.  I say that because you constantly skip right beyond rational reasoning in all the months or so I’ve been seeing you post on the boards on a near daily basis-  Missing the context of a point and taking something very basic to an utmost extreme and then trying to justify such absurdities my missing logic as if it’s nothing  .  If you met Socrates back in the day I imagine he would have a field day with you, hopefully for your own benefit, but if the nature of your anguish isn’t really just a world view problem than I doubt even that would be of much assistance.  And I see that is the likeliest  case now.  I knew one or two other people like you, and gradually it became clear that this type of discussion was hurting rather than helping him.  And... eventually I just accepted that such a delusive and irreconcilable view of oneself and the world would live on in this man, and that pointing it out was beyond the point.  I’ve seen one person recover from such a sorry excuse for a state before, and he and the world was better for it.

Such a thing is not healthy or the norm, nor does it reflect a mind thats grounded with clear discernment - but rather a perverted system of belief with a heavy confirmation bias of the worst variety and then some.  I see you miss the essence of so many posts, in favor of your ridiculous deductions and inferences that I face palm daily, and I only point this out because I’m not sure you have to continue to live like this if you got the right kind professional help or just the right help. take a while to find someone or something or someway that works in your own best interests, but it’s not impossible if you put forth the necessary effort without giving up. That’s beyond this forum though.

I’m done trying to point out the sky to you and I wish you good luck.  That wraps it up for me.  Much love and may you peace one day.




Because people are missing the main point as to what is problematic about solipsism. You and everyone else don’t seem to understand why it’s a problem and why logic doesn’t work on it. The whole problem of solipsism is that you can’t really logic your way out of it because all data is from your senses and any conclusion is just based on their flawed data. We can only conclude that we exist with any certainty, but everyone else we can’t. We can’t conclude other minds or people exist.

I keep repeating myself when people ask why I can’t just enjoy life and they just don’t seem to grasp why the possibility of solipsism being true negates their claims. I have been as clear as possible in trying to explain this but people are missing the point. I know what you guys are saying but I’m trying to show why that isn’t the case.

The main issue with solipsism is that there is no definitive answer and no way to get one.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26615216 - 04/20/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We can only conclude that we exist with any certainty, but everyone else we can’t. We can’t conclude other minds or people exist.






We however are concluding this for ourselves, that we we exist.

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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26615393 - 04/20/20 01:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Im of a mind that you may be suffering from some mental health or medical issues rather than a philosophical problem.

I mean that in the kindest way possible.  I say that because you constantly skip right beyond rational reasoning in all the months or so I’ve been seeing you post on the boards on a near daily basis-  Missing the context of a point and taking something very basic to an utmost extreme and then trying to justify such absurdities my missing logic as if it’s nothing  .  If you met Socrates back in the day I imagine he would have a field day with you, hopefully for your own benefit, but if the nature of your anguish isn’t really just a world view problem than I doubt even that would be of much assistance.  And I see that is the likeliest  case now.  I knew one or two other people like you, and gradually it became clear that this type of discussion was hurting rather than helping him.  And... eventually I just accepted that such a delusive and irreconcilable view of oneself and the world would live on in this man, and that pointing it out was beyond the point.  I’ve seen one person recover from such a sorry excuse for a state before, and he and the world was better for it.



Such a thing is not healthy or the norm, nor does it reflect a mind thats grounded with clear discernment - but rather a perverted system of belief with a heavy confirmation bias of the worst variety and then some.  I see you miss the essence of so many posts, in favor of your ridiculous deductions and inferences that I face palm daily, and I only point this out because I’m not sure you have to continue to live like this if you got the right kind professional help or just the right help. take a while to find someone or something or someway that works in your own best interests, but it’s not impossible if you put forth the necessary effort without giving up. That’s beyond this forum though.

I’m done trying to point out the sky to you and I wish you good luck.  That wraps it up for me.  Much love and may you peace one day.




Because people are missing the main point as to what is problematic about solipsism. You and everyone else don’t seem to understand why it’s a problem and why logic doesn’t work on it. The whole problem of solipsism is that you can’t really logic your way out of it because all data is from your senses and any conclusion is just based on their flawed data. We can only conclude that we exist with any certainty, but everyone else we can’t. We can’t conclude other minds or people exist.

I keep repeating myself when people ask why I can’t just enjoy life and they just don’t seem to grasp why the possibility of solipsism being true negates their claims. I have been as clear as possible in trying to explain this but people are missing the point. I know what you guys are saying but I’m trying to show why that isn’t the case.

The main issue with solipsism is that there is no definitive answer and no way to get one.




Yep, and it’s pure philosophical imagery, not reality.  So taking it as, or trying to “solve it” like it’s pure absolute truth - just because you cannot dismiss it- is like trying to prove to a psych ward patient that he’s not Jesus of Nazareth.  You lose as soon as yo forget that it’s just another creation of the human mind from a person or group of people trying to work a philosophical angle on the nature of reality, which is ultimately unknown.

To invest in such a thing is like investing in the titanic in 2020.  It is just a fundamental mistake on how things really are.  Sure there can be a solipsistic element to the mind in human experience , if there wasn’t we wouldn’t be human and solipsism as an idea wouldn't exist.  But it’s just that, an idea.  A slice of the grand pie in attempts to reconcile various mysteries of being alive as an aware and embodied being.

No idea, no matter how much it tries or by who, holds the key or answer to the nature of mind and realty or ultimate absolute truth.

It’s all conjecture.  Such a thing can never be so because words and language as merely symbolic representations that act as signs pointing to their counterparts in the cosmos, they are ways for human beings to slice up the undivided wholeness of things in order so that we may selectively discriminate upon parts of the whole, because our understanding is finite.

Words and letters are always symbolic, metaphor, allegory, etc.  a way to communicate with the rest of our species and family.  The truth is not in them, they are dead.  They allow more than 1 person to bring to mind the same select thing in reality at the same time.  But a words not a thing neither is a letter- not in themselves by themselves,  there only so because we mutually ascribe and unspokenly agree upon their meaning so as to share the same thing with our minds in the same moments.

You can’t write letters that will last upon the sky.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #26615898 - 04/20/20 05:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
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Thanatos10 said:
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The Blind Ass said:
Im of a mind that you may be suffering from some mental health or medical issues rather than a philosophical problem.

I mean that in the kindest way possible.  I say that because you constantly skip right beyond rational reasoning in all the months or so I’ve been seeing you post on the boards on a near daily basis-  Missing the context of a point and taking something very basic to an utmost extreme and then trying to justify such absurdities my missing logic as if it’s nothing  .  If you met Socrates back in the day I imagine he would have a field day with you, hopefully for your own benefit, but if the nature of your anguish isn’t really just a world view problem than I doubt even that would be of much assistance.  And I see that is the likeliest  case now.  I knew one or two other people like you, and gradually it became clear that this type of discussion was hurting rather than helping him.  And... eventually I just accepted that such a delusive and irreconcilable view of oneself and the world would live on in this man, and that pointing it out was beyond the point.  I’ve seen one person recover from such a sorry excuse for a state before, and he and the world was better for it.



Such a thing is not healthy or the norm, nor does it reflect a mind thats grounded with clear discernment - but rather a perverted system of belief with a heavy confirmation bias of the worst variety and then some.  I see you miss the essence of so many posts, in favor of your ridiculous deductions and inferences that I face palm daily, and I only point this out because I’m not sure you have to continue to live like this if you got the right kind professional help or just the right help. take a while to find someone or something or someway that works in your own best interests, but it’s not impossible if you put forth the necessary effort without giving up. That’s beyond this forum though.

I’m done trying to point out the sky to you and I wish you good luck.  That wraps it up for me.  Much love and may you peace one day.




Because people are missing the main point as to what is problematic about solipsism. You and everyone else don’t seem to understand why it’s a problem and why logic doesn’t work on it. The whole problem of solipsism is that you can’t really logic your way out of it because all data is from your senses and any conclusion is just based on their flawed data. We can only conclude that we exist with any certainty, but everyone else we can’t. We can’t conclude other minds or people exist.

I keep repeating myself when people ask why I can’t just enjoy life and they just don’t seem to grasp why the possibility of solipsism being true negates their claims. I have been as clear as possible in trying to explain this but people are missing the point. I know what you guys are saying but I’m trying to show why that isn’t the case.

The main issue with solipsism is that there is no definitive answer and no way to get one.




Yep, and it’s pure philosophical imagery, not reality.  So taking it as, or trying to “solve it” like it’s pure absolute truth - just because you cannot dismiss it- is like trying to prove to a psych ward patient that he’s not Jesus of Nazareth.  You lose as soon as yo forget that it’s just another creation of the human mind from a person or group of people trying to work a philosophical angle on the nature of reality, which is ultimately unknown.

To invest in such a thing is like investing in the titanic in 2020.  It is just a fundamental mistake on how things really are.  Sure there can be a solipsistic element to the mind in human experience , if there wasn’t we wouldn’t be human and solipsism as an idea wouldn't exist.  But it’s just that, an idea.  A slice of the grand pie in attempts to reconcile various mysteries of being alive as an aware and embodied being.

No idea, no matter how much it tries or by who, holds the key or answer to the nature of mind and realty or ultimate absolute truth.

It’s all conjecture.  Such a thing can never be so because words and language as merely symbolic representations that act as signs pointing to their counterparts in the cosmos, they are ways for human beings to slice up the undivided wholeness of things in order so that we may selectively discriminate upon parts of the whole, because our understanding is finite.

Words and letters are always symbolic, metaphor, allegory, etc.  a way to communicate with the rest of our species and family.  The truth is not in them, they are dead.  They allow more than 1 person to bring to mind the same select thing in reality at the same time.  But a words not a thing neither is a letter- not in themselves by themselves,  there only so because we mutually ascribe and unspokenly agree upon their meaning so as to share the same thing with our minds in the same moments.

You can’t write letters that will last upon the sky.




I've already explained that there isn't an undivided wholeness to the universe before.

And solipsism isn't just an idea, it shows the limits of our understanding. I cannot know that everything your said is true because that would assume a universe and beings that exist outside of me and I have no proof of that. I can only believe and take that on faith. The same follows for everything else you claim about the mind.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
    #26615901 - 04/20/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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We can only conclude that we exist with any certainty, but everyone else we can’t. We can’t conclude other minds or people exist.






We however are concluding this for ourselves, that we we exist.

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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26616020 - 04/20/20 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How do you know there is even a you? You keep saying you KNOW. Well prove it.


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    #26616113 - 04/20/20 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How do you know there is even a you? You keep saying you KNOW. Well prove it.




It's proven by the fact that there are thoughts, a consciousness, something holding it all together. If there was no me I wouldn't be able to type this up. It's everyone else I can't know to be real.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26616153 - 04/20/20 07:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

That's not proof. I have thoughts too. Right now in fact.


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Re: Future vision? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26616176 - 04/20/20 07:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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That's not proof. I have thoughts too. Right now in fact.




But I can't verify that, it's just "noise". Anything external to me cannot be verified to exist. It's a mixed bag. I don't care about other people but then again I don't really bond with "anyone".


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