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Led Zeppelin
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Regardless of whether life is ‘real’ or not, physical and emotional pain are felt. So live your life to the fullest and strive for greatness so you are not in pain
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Thanatos10
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It’s not about coming off it and it’s not really bullshit. I want to leave this behind. I don’t want to have to second guess all the time whether someone exists or not. I don’t want to keep everyone I meet at arms length for the rest of my life.
There isn’t really a logical conclusion to take solipsism because there isn’t a definitive resolution to it. There are plenty of good arguments against it but ultimately there isn’t anything definitive. It’s not something you can logic your way out of, you just have to believe otherwise. But that’s hard for me to do because belief seems like such a weak stance as opposed to knowing.
On some level I know it’s bullshit. Because you can poke a lot of holes like if everything came from your mind then where did your mind come from? If you say it always was then you lose. But I want it to be wrong because if it’s wrong I can move on. But I can’t prove it either direction.
The reason this is so hard is that in order to move forward essentially requires stepping into the abyss and trusting you won’t fall in.
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Thanatos10
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Led Zeppelin said: Regardless of whether life is ‘real’ or not, physical and emotional pain are felt. So live your life to the fullest and strive for greatness so you are not in pain 
I’ve already explained why that isn’t possible .
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Asante
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LogicaL Chaos said: So you do believe in a God/Creator/Higher Being?
That’s not relevant
Of course that's relevant Mr Tunnel Vision, if there's a God, you are no longer alone, thereby Solipsism is invalid.
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Thanatos10 said: It’s not about coming off it and it’s not really bullshit. I want to leave this behind. I don’t want to have to second guess all the time whether someone exists or not. I don’t want to keep everyone I meet at arms length for the rest of my life.
There isn’t really a logical conclusion to take solipsism because there isn’t a definitive resolution to it. There are plenty of good arguments against it but ultimately there isn’t anything definitive. It’s not something you can logic your way out of, you just have to believe otherwise. But that’s hard for me to do because belief seems like such a weak stance as opposed to knowing.
On some level I know it’s bullshit. Because you can poke a lot of holes like if everything came from your mind then where did your mind come from? If you say it always was then you lose. But I want it to be wrong because if it’s wrong I can move on. But I can’t prove it either direction.
The reason this is so hard is that in order to move forward essentially requires stepping into the abyss and trusting you won’t fall in.
Then dont. The ONLY person stopping you is you.....let that one marinate.
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The Blind Ass
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I’m just saying you’ve got yourself trapped in an illusory prison... there’s no key or warden keeping you there but yourself That’s all. Really is open, and you’ve becoming enamored or fixated or addicted to your own myopic view of things.
No solution to an imaginary problem. Reality is open Like the sky, why be confined to a dream of solipsism when you can wake up to what is what having to name it or say anything about it. The nature of mind and reality is ultimately still nameless and mysterious, solipsism is a man made view, brought about in a time of vastly more general ignorance than we have now.
Just saying,
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You’ve essentially imagine yourself into the illusory prison, but are looking for a real solution to a fake problem.
Just imagine your out... the problem is in your head only aka mind.
There must be word for this type of catch 22 dilemma, some variation of paradox or delusion or whatnot.
Catch my drift and your good, if not, that’s just too damn bad for your own sake,
Good luck, I leave you with a poem by TS Elliot.
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We think of the key, each in his prison thinking of the key, each confirms a prison.
T.S Eliot, The Waste Land
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We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.
T.S.Eliot, Little Gidding
I’ve said my piece and peace.
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Thanatos10
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Re: Future vision? [Re: Asante]
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LogicaL Chaos said: So you do believe in a God/Creator/Higher Being?
That’s not relevant
Of course that's relevant Mr Tunnel Vision, if there's a God, you are no longer alone, thereby Solipsism is invalid.
Not true as that god can just be another mental projection
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No you're a projection. MY mind is all that there is. I'm going to make it so you enjoy life now....hhhhnngggggg
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Thanatos10
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The Blind Ass said: I’m just saying you’ve got yourself trapped in an illusory prison... there’s no key or warden keeping you there but yourself That’s all. Really is open, and you’ve becoming enamored or fixated or addicted to your own myopic view of things.
No solution to an imaginary problem. Reality is open Like the sky, why be confined to a dream of solipsism when you can wake up to what is what having to name it or say anything about it. The nature of mind and reality is ultimately still nameless and mysterious, solipsism is a man made view, brought about in a time of vastly more general ignorance than we have now.
Just saying,
That’s not really true. Solipsism is not really man made so much as it is the problem posed by the limits of understanding. It’s not an illusion, the problem is real. The “solution” is oddly enough not logical. You say reality is open but it’s not. It’s deterministic, like a chain of dominoes. Our senses and even our understanding limit it as well. It’s not open at all
Solipsism isn’t a dream it’s just a reminder of our limits, mine and hopefully everyone else.
My fear is that what I do for others will be in vain if they don’t exist. That my care will be wasted, that they won’t return the same love I have, cosmic loneliness is too high a price to pay.
Reality was never really open, I just see the bars now.
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The Blind Ass
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You are tragically misinformed. Just like in an equation, get one thing wrong, put in the wrong sigh, calculation error etc, the answer comes back wrong, that’s exactly how you are - but you haven’t checked your “math”, and you don’t know it.
You have much to learn grasshopper.
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The Blind Ass said: I’m just saying you’ve got yourself trapped in an illusory prison... there’s no key or warden keeping you there but yourself That’s all. Really is open, and you’ve becoming enamored or fixated or addicted to your own myopic view of things.
No solution to an imaginary problem. Reality is open Like the sky, why be confined to a dream of solipsism when you can wake up to what is what having to name it or say anything about it. The nature of mind and reality is ultimately still nameless and mysterious, solipsism is a man made view, brought about in a time of vastly more general ignorance than we have now.
Just saying,
That’s not really true. Solipsism is not really man made so much as it is the problem posed by the limits of understanding. It’s not an illusion, the problem is real. The “solution” is oddly enough not logical. You say reality is open but it’s not. It’s deterministic, like a chain of dominoes. Our senses and even our understanding limit it as well. It’s not open at all
Solipsism isn’t a dream it’s just a reminder of our limits, mine and hopefully everyone else.
My fear is that what I do for others will be in vain if they don’t exist. That my care will be wasted, that they won’t return the same love I have, cosmic loneliness is too high a price to pay.
Reality was never really open, I just see the bars now.
Sorry for getting upset earlier. I'm just trying to get you see that life, real or not, is still beautiful
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Thanatos10
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The Blind Ass said: You are tragically misinformed. Just like in an equation, get one thing wrong, put in the wrong sigh, calculation error etc, the answer comes back wrong, that’s exactly how you are - but you haven’t checked your “math”, and you don’t know it.
You have much to learn grasshopper.
I have checked my math. People assume reality is open when all we have to know it are our senses. Even consciousness is a sensation in a sense and one can doubt that.
I’m even at the point where I am scared of people because I don’t know if they are real or not.
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Fuck I think I'm allergic to shrooms now son of a bitch
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fuck I really can't tell. this is gonna be a weird one
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You still HAVE senses. Start there. You can see smell touch taste and hear. That is true is it not? Ok now that that is established you can then use those senses to observe your surroundings. Still with me? Good. In those surroundings you notice other beings with the same abilities. They do not follow your command. That is the first tell tale sign that you don't control shit. And even if this is some elaborate algorithm that your mind has concocted what is the problem? What is stopping you from enjoying this? Even if all of this is fake I am still going to enjoy every second of it. Why wont you? Can you at least give me a reason WHY?
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The Blind Ass
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Never mind now I understand. Keep doing your best Thanatos maybe in time things will become more clear. Peace.
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Thanatos10
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spirit_shadow said: You still HAVE senses. Start there. You can see smell touch taste and hear. That is true is it not? Ok now that that is established you can then use those senses to observe your surroundings. Still with me? Good. In those surroundings you notice other beings with the same abilities. They do not follow your command. That is the first tell tale sign that you don't control shit. And even if this is some elaborate algorithm that your mind has concocted what is the problem? What is stopping you from enjoying this? Even if all of this is fake I am still going to enjoy every second of it. Why wont you? Can you at least give me a reason WHY?
Because if they aren’t real then anything I do is pointless. They won’t feel joy or sadness, or gratitude, it would be like helping a robot out or dating your iPhone. All my interactions would be hollow. The only reason my dreams are different is because I don’t know I’m dreaming so I feels authentic, until I wake up.
This is different. Even if I have my senses and all that means nothing without other people.
That’s what’s stopping me from enjoying this, or rather why I can’t enjoy if it’s true. Nothing can overwrite the crippling cosmic loneliness of solipsism being true. Others can protest and scream and shout but it wouldn’t prove anything, and thats what’s sad. That I’ll never be able to bridge the game between me and “others” because I’ll never know if they are real or not. It’s just belief.
Every friendship, relationship, etc will be tainted by the thought of “what if they aren’t real?”
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The Blind Ass
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Miss out on life over a potential big if.
Some people can’t help themselves. Make relationships that aren’t just based in a utility friendship, guarantee your perspective will change if you can do it without making excuses to find a way out of it. Have a family, see how your own body and a woman’s creates life.
Then you’ll snap out of your fantasy.
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people are so weird. today was a weird day. it's all in my head I'm not allergic to shrooms. or maybe we all are maybe that's why we trip. don't know. the wind blew this old metal roof off this shack because it wanted me dead. it scared the shit out of me my immediate reaction was insane laughter
it would be really nice to be an animal. the ravens don't give a fuck. they are up to no good right now all the little songbirds are trying their damnedest to nest up and the ravens are just giving then hell.
went for a walk today. went up to see my wife. i cried a lot. laughed the whole way home. something about rocks. why do we do anything? it will be nice to be the earth again i know it's warm in there.
the north wind has no mercy. it wants to destroy everything. i am still alive though
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