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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: koods]
    #26604206 - 04/15/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I thought we might be turning the corner. We aren’t. Look at this testing data from New York. The reduction in new cases looks  like it’s almost entirely a function of the number of tests being run. The percentage of positives is actually rising. An improving situation would mean its harder to find new infections. At best we are treading water. Barely containing a level of infection that’s going to result in 2500 deaths a day for the foreseeable future.

The number of tests run in the US over the past week had dropped 30%, but the the number of new infections was down the past few days by only 20% which means the percentage of positive tests is increasing. We’ve been locked down for more than two weeks, why are cases increasing still?






Essential workers are getting infected, bringing it to their families, public facing essential workers like folks at grocery stores are probably infecting others. Also the ventilation in some of those pre-war buildings in NYC(and the NE in general), is something I have serious doubts about. I used to live in one that was converted to apartments and...yeeeesh, would not want to live in one now. I have no doubt that being in an apartment building in general probably increases risk of infection, verse a single family dwelling or even something like a duplex or rowhome.


They've seriously ramped down testing in my area. We started out pretty good, and anyone experiencing symptoms(which is subpar in and of itself, in terms of slowing the spread) was able to get tested, we have drive through testing sites up super fast, online questionnaires that directed people to them via a symptom screener.

Now they're shutting down testing sites due to lack of federal funding so yaay.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26604221 - 04/15/20 09:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't even know anyone who has gone for testing here in NM.

We're always way way behind the national trends though and cases are under 1500 at the moment.

People without symptoms or reason to believe they're infected aren't supposed to be getting tested anyway, are they?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604230 - 04/15/20 09:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Asymptomatic people should be tested in order to slow the spread - they're the main ones we have to worry about spreading it the most, and the reason why this virus is just so efficient at spreading. That and it's long incubation period in general.

Unfortunately production and supply chain issues mean that this has been a pipe dream at best for most states. :shrug:


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26604241 - 04/15/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So basically everyone that is known to not be sick needs to be tested?

In order for that to be an effective (edit- measure) wouldn't we need for pretty much everyone to have a test and most importantly take it at the same time?

If you go get tested.. show negative... but get infected while waiting for everyone else to get tested... it's kind of chasing your own tail, no?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604243 - 04/15/20 09:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

So, I developed a fever and some other related symptoms on Sunday afternoon.  I felt like absolute trash.  I called telemedicine and they tell me in my area, the only way to get a COVID test is to have a known exposure or be sick enough to be in the hospital.

All they told me was stay inside, take tylenol for the fever, and call 911 if I get trouble breathing or an uncontrollable fever.

It's important to remember that most people who get this won't be ventilator sick.  The testing is so lagging at the moment, though.  There's 100% not enough of it.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26604251 - 04/15/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

How are you feeling now?


Before the mass testing is even deployed shouldn't everyone have a test and all take it simultaneously?

Otherwise the situation is too dynamic to get a picture as clear as they're hoping of who has it and it won't work as a fire line.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 1
    #26604257 - 04/15/20 09:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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susurrador said:
So basically everyone that is known to not be sick needs to be tested?

In order for that to be an effective (edit- measure) wouldn't we need for pretty much everyone to have a test and most importantly take it at the same time?

If you go get tested.. show negative... but get infected while waiting for everyone else to get tested... it's kind of chasing your own tail, no?






I mean, yes, but eventually you catch the tail :wink:


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So, I developed a fever and some other related symptoms on Sunday afternoon.  I felt like absolute trash.  I called telemedicine and they tell me in my area, the only way to get a COVID test is to have a known exposure or be sick enough to be in the hospital.

All they told me was stay inside, take tylenol for the fever, and call 911 if I get trouble breathing or an uncontrollable fever.

It's important to remember that most people who get this won't be ventilator sick.  The testing is so lagging at the moment, though.  There's 100% not enough of it.








That's fucked, I hope you get well soon. There are nebulizers you can buy off of amazon and ebay for pretty cheap - idk if they're trash or not, but I've seen that doctors will prescribe nebulizers and inhalers via telehealth if your cough or breathing starts to get a little worse.

I would at least get a pulse ox so you can monitor your O2.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/392757849613

That's what I ordered like last night or the day before(idk, days blend together now) and it's guaranteed delivery by Friday.

I also don't want to panic you, I have pretty bad anxiety about this stuff, and you're right that 95% of folks who get this will be okay, without hospitalization.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604272 - 04/15/20 09:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel fine now.  This is the timeline:

Saturday - Felt exhausted all day and kinda achy.
Sunday - Felt SUPER exhausted and achy like I had drank 7 bottles of liquor and picked a fight with dwarves.  My legs, hips, and lower back were sore and felt like boulders.  Headache...just an annoying headache.  The fever hit.  Carrying a 32 pk of water from my front door 8ft to the fridge was a chore.  Dry cough, but not horrible.  Some chest tightness...but I can't be sure it wasn't anxiety. 
Monday - Slept most of the day.  Fever came down to 99º, then 98º, then back to a normal 97-ishº, but not without a steady diet of Tylenol and Gatorade.
Tuesday - Felt great.  No fever, but still experiencing hot flashes.

Even today, I still feel fine mostly.  No soreness or exhaustion.  Still feel hot sometimes, but the thermometer doesn't go above 98.9-ishº.  Still taking Tylenol, but only maybe twice a day versus every 6 hours.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26604278 - 04/15/20 10:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I have pretty bad anxiety about this stuff, and you're right that 95% of folks who get this will be okay, without hospitalization.




Gotta admit, that's been the whole problem.  If this were normal times, I have health insurance for the first time in 6 years.  I would have gone straight to urgent care and demanded all the tests the insurance would allow. 

Telemedicine has been great, though, I gotta admit.  My insurance has it through the app.  They not only gave me COVID advice, but also took care of an allergic skin reaction on my foot at the same time using shit I had laying around.

If anything, I really hope this pandemic makes Telemedicine more popular.  It was fantastic to not have to go see a Primary and a Podiatrist and deal with those copays.  Telemedicine was free.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26604288 - 04/15/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed! I hope it makes working remotely more popular in general. And since it looks like it's here to stay until a vaccine is out, at least, I do think that this is one facet of our society that will change permanently(or as permanently as anything can).


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26604300 - 04/15/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I feel like if the whack-a-mole game could go on forever, we'd be best off saving up the tests until there are enough for everyone in say a county to be tested. (Of people without symptoms)

Then go county by county (or some similar regional division of land and populations) and blanket test everyone the same day.

Otherwise over time seemingly healthy people are going to have to take test after test instead of just 1.

That's a waste of very limited resources at the moment, I think.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604308 - 04/15/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

The biggest benefit is that you identify the folks who are positive, have them stay the fuck home, and more efficiently stop the spread. Thus, ultimately shortening the stay at home orders, and getting the economy back up and running faster.

edit:

this is an ideal situation. We need more tests, period. I think right now medical facilities are doing the best they can with what they got. But what they got ain't enough.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador] * 2
    #26604309 - 04/15/20 10:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You're right.  It's 100% Whack A Mole.  We just don't have enough rapid tests.

You can order some off Wish, believe it or not, but you really have to look at the product description.  "50% accuracy".  I suspect those are the tests they sold Spain and the UK only to find they were defective.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: ShroomerInTheRye] * 2
    #26604314 - 04/15/20 10:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Wish is dodgy at the best of times :uhoh:


But yeah I heard about those. With my luck, I'd get a false positive, have a massive anxiety attack, and get a bunch of psychosomatic symptoms - end up going out to get tested, and then catching it for real.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #26604320 - 04/15/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly, part of my concern with going to a local testing spot is that I'd catch it from the testers. It's not like paint or something that you can see on their hands.

If I didn't have symptoms I don't know if I'd be inclined to take anything but an at-home test.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604322 - 04/15/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think an at home test is remotely feasible at this point unfortunately :sad:. But yeah, I agree. A rapid at home test would be a game changer.



Too bad Theranos was all bullshit. If it wasn't they might've saved the day.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26604330 - 04/15/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not gonna lie, I haven't been keeping abreast of the various testing methods or companies developing them.

Is the deep nasal swap still the method they're using at the testing sites?


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604331 - 04/15/20 10:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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susurrador said:
So basically everyone that is known to not be sick needs to be tested?

In order for that to be an effective (edit- measure) wouldn't we need for pretty much everyone to have a test and most importantly take it at the same time?

If you go get tested.. show negative... but get infected while waiting for everyone else to get tested... it's kind of chasing your own tail, no?




No, we need surveillance testing. Right now we are doing diagnostic testing. Testing a random sample of the population looking for emerging outbreaks in communities.

Frankly this country lacks the leadership to get this done and I think we’re pretty much fucked. Just realized that every attempt to make a SARS vaccine has failed, and I’m not sure why they would have any better luck with this virus.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: susurrador]
    #26604335 - 04/15/20 10:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I believe the FDA just approved a saliva test, it's slightly faster, less invasive, and less risky to the testers. Still has a multi-day turnaround though, I believe. And I don't know how widespread it's use is yet.

Presumably, with time, testing will get faster and more efficient. It's currently worse now than it was where I am though.


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Re: Viral outbreak in China [Re: pirate-blues]
    #26604340 - 04/15/20 10:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think an at home test is remotely feasible at this point unfortunately :sad:. But yeah, I agree. A rapid at home test would be a game changer.



Too bad Theranos was all bullshit. If it wasn't they might've saved the day.




Home antibody tests are entirely feasible. Home test for active infection, no.


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