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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Eminence]
    #26603281 - 04/15/20 03:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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To me saying god is everything is the same as saying the universe is everything, it’s a blithe statement that goes nowhere and advances nothing. I can pretty much replace God in the instance with any made up word for the same effect.

Though if you define it as a power outside this “plane” one would wonder how you know that to be the case. From what I gather God seems to be the escape hatch for what we can’t explain. I find it telling that humans seem to be the only ones concerned about this question and that it speaks more to our mental state as a species than it does about reality itself



That's more or less my point though, that you can replace God in the instance with any word for the same effect. The Universe or Everything just happens to resemble most closely the marks that a monotheistic God is often attributed - "omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful), omnipresent (all-present) and as having an eternal and necessary existence".

You would know it to be the case that it is outside of this "plane" because you have defined it as such. Knowing what it is versus knowing whether it exists are two different problems. You can know what something is for a certainty as long as you are willing to define it.

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Yeah you're right. But considering I wouldn't know what the hell to be looking for as proof in the first place, my hypothetical scenario would also include science being advanced enough to be able to determine what god really is first anyway. How? No idea. It's a fun topic to think about, but it never goes anywhere obviously.



Science wouldn't be what determines what god really is at any point, that's a problem for semantic philosophy at the root of it. Once decided you might be able to use science to prove it, or it may be unprovable because you've described it as something which cannot be observed.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: PatrickKn] * 1
    #26603291 - 04/15/20 03:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Welp, I'm outta things to say here then. I guess we all just wait til we die then to see, and that's about it :shrug:


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26603296 - 04/15/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I get that it’s only a model because our senses are limited and that some things may just be forever beyond our reach.

You link still doesn’t support your point of science as a religion since the portrayal of it in the book isn’t how it is in reality.

But I can say it’s the best out of all the ones I have heard and the least conceited. Problem is the real religious types tend to have the power to force their views on others and to question them is death or exile.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Eminence]
    #26603297 - 04/15/20 03:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Welp, I'm outta things to say here then. I guess we all just wait til we die then to see, and that's about it :shrug:




Actually when you die you won’t see. No life after death after all.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26603314 - 04/15/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I get it dude, you're atheist. I am not.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Eminence]
    #26603322 - 04/15/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

More like there isn’t evidence to suggest life after death and that it’s more like a fear of oblivion.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26603330 - 04/15/20 03:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not afraid of there not being an afterlife, I'm just not fully convinced there isn't something after. I came to have this mindset after years of being atheist already.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603333 - 04/15/20 03:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Saying you don't believe in an afterlife is one thing, but asserting that you know it is not the case is the same pitfall that someone who asserts it exists falls into and in a roundabout way is contradictory to your statements about being comfortable with not knowing.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26603372 - 04/15/20 04:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I guess you have a point. It’s just that I think it’s far more likely that we made it up to feel ok about dying.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders] * 1
    #26603382 - 04/15/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I do believe there is some "thing" that created this "thing"/existence I find myself in . I do not attach any name to that "thing" though. And I absolutely do not believe that "thing" is "pulling the strings" and controlling this existence or influencing it in anyway, but I do believe some thing set this existence into motion/created it and I do feel there is some sort of ultimate "goal" or reason for this existence/creation.


This is coming from someone who never even believed in Santa Clause as a kid, even around 3 & 4 years old I remember Santa didn't make any logical sense to me for so many different reasons...And back around then I also had too many questions that the church couldn't answer. I never once believed in "god" when I was a kid, none of that "story" made any sense to me at all.

I've never been religious myself (my mothers side of the fam is religious tho, went to church a handful of times when I was younger)...I've always been a super super duper skeptical person and even labeled myself as "atheist" through out most of my younger years. I was always all about "science" and logic.

But over the years, now 33, getting a bit older....Now, from my own observations, from my own experiences in life and with psychedelics, from my own ponderings/reflections/deep thoughts about it all, now I really do feel & believe that there is FAR more to this existence we find ourselves in than "it came from nothing and it is completely random & meaningless" .

...I really do feel & believe that some "thing" created this, what ever "this" is that we find ourselves in. And I feel there is some reason for it all.





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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders] * 1
    #26603384 - 04/15/20 04:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Do you believe in life after love?


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603444 - 04/15/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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More like there isn’t evidence to suggest life after death and that it’s more like a fear of oblivion.



It is literally 50/50. The only options to the question is yes/no lol


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders]
    #26603455 - 04/15/20 04:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I do not.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders]
    #26603474 - 04/15/20 04:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

No, I do not believe in god. I have a hardcore belief in science and physics and stuff like that. Interestingly enough, it was lysergamides that converted me to atheism and a strong belief in science, etc.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: openmind]
    #26603513 - 04/15/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Such a thing would be a sadist then most likely.

Also no one said the universe came from nothing. Evidence seems to suggest it always was.

As for everything else...well I would consider reevaluating your views.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders]
    #26603536 - 04/15/20 05:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Just curious




My answer would be "Sometimes" but I selected "I don't know".


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #26603550 - 04/15/20 05:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I talk with an imaginary friend that presents itself as God since my childhood.

Last august he invited me to my bed and as I lay there in the darkness he began telling me that he had settled that he would strike Humanity with a pandemic. I was shocked, he argued some aspects to it and recommended me to prep a few goods.

In January when COVID showed up, he was like "OK, drop all your plans for this year and commit to this, this will become the exact horrendous pandemic that we discussed months ago. Stock up your shelves, get a tall freezer and fill it, dont worry about years-long shelf life because the disaster will be now, this year, within the expiration date of supermarket goods. Noah, take provisions into your Ark because it started raining. Put your money where your faith is and prepare, and tell your friends in ways they can understand at this time."

Yeah, and now it "rains" all over the world.

Not believing in God is beside the point for me. Hes proven himself more than enough.

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Its so much different when God and you are a two way street, when you are answered and you are called just like the scriptures promise is the kind of relatuonshipo God wants with his children.

And with so many supernatural things happening underlining that he gives direction to my life and those of others, the existence of God becomes as much a nonissue as the existence of your cat.

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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Asante]
    #26603559 - 04/15/20 05:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I talk with an imaginary friend that presents itself as God since my childhood.

Last august he invited me to my bed and as I lay there in the darkness he began telling me that he had settled that he would strike Humanity with a pandemic. I was shocked, he argued some aspects to it and recommended me to prep a few goods.

In January when COVID showed up, he was like "OK, drop all your plans for this year and commit to this, this will become the exact horrendous pandemic that we discussed months ago. Stock up your shelves, get a tall freezer and fill it, dont worry about years-long shelf life because the disaster will be now, this year, within the expiration date of supermarket goods. Noah, take provisions into your Ark because it started raining. Put your money where your faith is and prepare, and tell your friends in ways they can understand at this time."

Yeah, and now it "rains" all over the world.

Not believing in God is beside the point for me. Hes proven himself more than enough.

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The White Man goes into his church house and talks about Jesus, but the Indian goes into his tipi and talks to Jesus.

-Quanah Parker




Its so much different when God and you are a two way street, when you are answered and you are called just like the scriptures promise is the kind of relatuonshipo God wants with his children.

And with so many supernatural things happening underlining that he gives direction to my life and those of others, the existence of God becomes as much a nonissue as the existence of your cat.

:caturday:




Sounds more like confirmation bias than proof. You had a “dream” that just happened to be right, doesn’t really prove anything. I know plenty of people that had such dreams and were wrong.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Asante]
    #26603568 - 04/15/20 05:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Kinda weird for a member of a cannibalistic indian tribe (Comanche) that were enemies with pretty much everyone around them, to compete with the "white man" over who's the more authentic Christian, when it was the "white man" that brought Christianity here isn't it? :lol:


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603583 - 04/15/20 05:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Speaking of that..I had no idea what I had in mind, but I had this strong gut feeling sometime in mid 2019 that something big was going to happen in early 2020 but I had no idea what. I have nothing else to really say about it, just really strange that it happened after I spent months just waiting for something to happen.


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