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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Brian Jones]
#26609736 - 04/18/20 07:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're completely right, and to be clear: Nothing was dropped "due to lack of evidence." That's pure speculation on the part of Falcon.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26610634 - 04/18/20 01:58 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I finally got a chance to read your post with its links - sorry for the slow response.
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Kryptos said: Trump and Hillary are old school propagandists. They pushed content and tried to reach people. The Russian method simply fooled the existing algorithms into pushing the content they preferred to the people that they wanted to target. Which is why so little of the spending was directly political, because they weren't making ads, they were breaking algorithms.
Source, or make believe?
These guys are a bit behind the ball, but what else do you expect from Time?
Fact it, you either see it or you don't. Clearly, you don't.
Exactly. Their spending wasn't political, it was about click-bait advertising. I recognized this long before anyone else did.
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Once a blog post was created, the troll exclaimed, “Then the magic began!”
The computers were designed to forward the post to the agency’s countless fake accounts, opening and closing the post to create huge numbers of fake page views.
That's the thing. You think the bots were generating content? Hell no. The bots were generating clicks, upvotes, likes, whatever the platform calls it.
I'm unable to read your NY Times article as I don't have a subscription, but that's more evidence of click bait advertising.
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Kryptos said: Real people generated the content. Smart, well educated professionals wrote a few influential articles and blog posts, and the bots amplified the message by making it seem popular. And then it started showing up in people's twitter feeds with a bunch of likes and shit, and it took off. Then these articles would be discussed at length on forums like this. As a matter of fact, I'm quite certain that this Biden thread is a perfect example. Actually, this one is a better example.. OP read something that popped up on their news feed, due to an algorithm. And chances are, what they read wasn't written by a Russian, either.
So Russians are able to get people to discuss topics we might not otherwise pay attention to? If true (and I believe it), then what they're doing is getting Americans to discuss things they might not otherwise discuss. I realize that's exactly what the CIA is against, but I'm ok with that personally. At the end of the discussion, we should all have a better understanding of fact vs make believe.
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Kryptos said: Here's a fun little exercise. You know how coronavirus is fake and the symptoms are just due to exposure to 5g as part of a massive worldwide plan by Bill Gates to implant microchips in people through vaccines? Well, don't take my word for it. I suggest you find a certain Dr. Andrew Kaufman, psychiatrist. Now, I wonder why a psychiatrist who lost their license to practice in the state of Ohio had a shitty little youtube channel for a while, which suddenly went from 100 to 10,000 subscribers overnight, after posting a short little video that racked up half a million views in a day. Guess his message really resonated with the people, huh?
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This is the last time I will explain this to you, because it's exhausting and I have better shit to do with my time.
That's a great thought experiment - but the one example I found of that showing up on the shroomery said this:
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Go read the comments on Breitbart. I do it on occasion just to see what crazy stuff people are spewing. . . . "The global cabal did this on purpose...in 2019 Bill Gates had a mock pandemic...event 201 = agenda 21.all done by design for depopulation and micro chip every single on of us with a microchip. I hope President Trump is not part of this!"
So no one supported it.
A better example might be your discussion on whether 5G is harmful to health or not. I haven't researched that one yet, but if Russia started the conversation to get people to look into it more, how is that a bad thing?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Seriously_trippin] 2
#26610661 - 04/18/20 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seriously_trippin said: It's useless to prove your conspiracy theory wrong when courts above your head and a lawyer here are tearing your arguments apart.
A few things you seem to have missed. The courts didn't tear my arguments apart, they actually dismissed the case against the parent company, Concord. Enlil didn't 'tear my argument apart' either, I showed him that he was wrong in saying that "Concord did not volunteer to take it to court", and he was smart enough not to argue the point further. I think Enlil and I both agree about the facts of the case up to this point except one thing that I will respond to right after this post.
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Seriously_trippin said: I'm not the one trying to convince people of something and no matter what I say to you you're not going to believe anything else.
Try me. I keep asking you for your evidence, and you never respond. How about 'pretty please with TWO cherries on top'?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil] 1
#26610666 - 04/18/20 02:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nothing was dropped "due to lack of evidence." That's pure speculation on the part of Falcon.
Fair enough. But to say "nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence' is also pure speculation on your part. You don't know why it was dropped.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#26610682 - 04/18/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: That Russia interfered is a known fact. To what extent it made a difference is open to interpretation.
Everyone kept pointing to the indictments in the Mueller report as evidence, so when Concord decided to call bullshit and take this to court, I made the signature bet that the case against Concord would either be lost or dropped. I won that bet (unless dismissed means something different than dropped), though everyone was somehow smart enough to know I would win.
So have you been holding out on evidence this whole time after I kept asking others for it?
I can't wait to see what you've kept from us!
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26610740 - 04/18/20 02:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: That Russia interfered is a known fact. To what extent it made a difference is open to interpretation.
Everyone kept pointing to the indictments in the Mueller report as evidence, so when Concord decided to call bullshit and take this to court, I made the signature bet that the case against Concord would either be lost or dropped. I won that bet (unless dismissed means something different than dropped), though everyone was somehow smart enough to know I would win.
So have you been holding out on evidence this whole time after I kept asking others for it?
I can't wait to see what you've kept from us!
I also "interfered" in the election by posting about Trump and Clinton on the internet. Guilty as charged!! Yet, where is the selective outrage?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26610756 - 04/18/20 02:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nothing was dropped "due to lack of evidence." That's pure speculation on the part of Falcon.
Fair enough. But to say "nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence' is also pure speculation on your part. You don't know why it was dropped.
I didn't speculate at all. The prosecutor specified EXACTLY his reasons for dropping the case against the entities. That is one person who actually knows why. There's nothing speculative about that at all. Yes, he MAY be lying, but you only have speculation to support a theory that he is.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: qman]
#26610760 - 04/18/20 02:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also "interfered" in the election by posting about Trump and Clinton on the internet. Guilty as charged!! Yet, where is the selective outrage? 
That's not a crime, though. That is specifically protected speech under the Constitution.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil] 1
#26610805 - 04/18/20 03:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The prosecutor specified EXACTLY his reasons for dropping the case against the entities. That is one person who actually knows why. There's nothing speculative about that at all. Yes, he MAY be lying, but you only have speculation to support a theory that he is.
You didn't originally say that. You said "Nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence."
You should have said "The prosecutor stated that nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence."
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26610808 - 04/18/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's not a crime, though. That is specifically protected speech under the Constitution.
Is it a crime to talk to Russians on social media? Or maybe the better question is "is it illegal for Russians to talk to Americans on social media"?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26610829 - 04/18/20 03:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: The prosecutor specified EXACTLY his reasons for dropping the case against the entities. That is one person who actually knows why. There's nothing speculative about that at all. Yes, he MAY be lying, but you only have speculation to support a theory that he is.
You didn't originally say that. You said "Nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence."
You should have said "The prosecutor stated that nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence."
Why? I have no reason to doubt the person who actually dismissed those charges. You have no reason either....no rational reason, at least.
I am a person of reason, after all.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Is it a crime to talk to Russians on social media? Or maybe the better question is "is it illegal for Russians to talk to Americans on social media"?
No. Not in itself.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26610871 - 04/18/20 03:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You should have said "The prosecutor stated that nothing was dropped due to lack of evidence."
Why? I have no reason to doubt the person who actually dismissed those charges. You have no reason either....no rational reason, at least.
Actually, I have a LOT of rational reasons.
Number one, the US lies all the time about countries it wants citizens to think of as enemies, such as China and Russia. Number two, have you read this post yet about the analysis of Russian interference? Number three, why didn't you take my signature bet where I bet this case would be lost or dropped?
Looks like my previous statement was correct. You are indeed 'king of the gullible'. Your signature should say "I'm Enlil, and I believe whatever the US Goverment wants me to believe!"
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26610891 - 04/18/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not believing something because the government says it is just as bad as believing something because the government says it. You're just as much of a slave.
Of course, I don't believe it because the government says it. I believe it because it makes perfect sense, it's supported by well-established authority, and I've seen it happen dozens of times. If there were facts that pointed to some other reason or some hidden agenda, I might feel differently. So far, such facts have not been revealed.
And just for the record, you didn't win the signature bet. You specified that YEVGENIY wins or the charges against him are dropped. Neither have happened to date.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26610921 - 04/18/20 04:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I showed him that he was wrong in saying that "Concord did not volunteer to take it to court", and he was smart enough not to argue the point
That's not actually true. I was correct. I just realized that you wouldn't understand the difference between voluntarily taking it to court and voluntarily making an appearance in the case. I also realized that it would be little more than an argument about a point of law that is largely boring and irrelevant, so I left it by the wayside.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26611070 - 04/18/20 05:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Not believing something because the government says it is just as bad as believing something because the government says it. You're just as much of a slave.
I don't "not believe something" just "because the government says it". I don't believe something for the reasons I provided you that you completely ignored.
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Enlil said: Of course, I don't believe it because the government says it. I believe it because it makes perfect sense, it's supported by well-established authority, and I've seen it happen dozens of times. If there were facts that pointed to some other reason or some hidden agenda, I might feel differently. So far, such facts have not been revealed.
Excellent. Then we should discuss the above 3 points above one at a time.
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Enlil said: And just for the record, you didn't win the signature bet. You specified that YEVGENIY wins or the charges against him are dropped. Neither have happened to date.
The case that was set to go to trial was the case against Concord. Concord is owned by Yevgeny. Maybe you didn't know that?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Enlil]
#26611074 - 04/18/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I showed him that he was wrong in saying that "Concord did not volunteer to take it to court", and he was smart enough not to argue the point
That's not actually true. I was correct. I just realized that you wouldn't understand the difference between voluntarily taking it to court and voluntarily making an appearance in the case. I also realized that it would be little more than an argument about a point of law that is largely boring and irrelevant, so I left it by the wayside.
Fine, Concord 'voluntarily made an appearance' to the great surprise of Mueller.
You just have ensure every 'i' is dotted and every 't' is crossed.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26611075 - 04/18/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The case against him is still very much active. I'm pretty sure you knew that.
As to your three reasons, one was because you think everything the government says is a lie, another is because of some silly internet bet. The other links to some post that has very little, if anything, to do with the charges in the indictment.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26611085 - 04/18/20 05:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fine, Concord 'voluntarily made an appearance' to the great surprise of Mueller.
You just have ensure every 'i' is dotted and every 't' is crossed. 
No, it wasn't a surprise that it made an appearance. This is a stupid discussion, but you'll just claim victory if we don't have it.
Concord making an appearance is legally submitting to the jurisdiction of the court. Yet, when asked for discovery material, concord claimed that the court lacked jurisdiction to require those materials to be turned over. This is the part that is a "surprise" insofar as concord availed itself of the court's jurisdiction to get discovery but denied it when it came time to turn over discovery.
And this is why it was not a good idea to continue prosecution of the entity. It would have required turning over secrets that may have jeopardized assets or the cases against the individuals. At the same time, Concord was never going to turn over the subpoenaed information. Since prosecution of the individuals was more important, the government chose to abandon the prosecution of the entities in order to improve its position vis a vis prosecuting the individuals.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26611194 - 04/18/20 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: A better example might be your discussion on whether 5G is harmful to health or not. I haven't researched that one yet, but if Russia started the conversation to get people to look into it more, how is that a bad thing?
Sure man, sure. A semi-coordinated arson campaign against the communications infrastructure of multiple countries is a good thing. All part of the "discussion".
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos] 2
#26611250 - 04/18/20 06:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol 5G harmful to health 🤦♂️
It’s fascinating to watch falcon slowly get radicalized into the alt right
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