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dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies 2
#26603523 - 04/15/20 05:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/493044-trump-threatens-to-adjourn-both-chambers-of-congress
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President Trump on Wednesday threatened to use his executive power to force both chambers of Congress to adjourn if the Senate did not confirm his nominees for vacancies across the administration.
The president, during a coronavirus briefing in the Rose Garden, offered a lengthy diatribe against what he described as congressional obstruction and argued confirming his nominees was more urgent than ever amid the pandemic.
"The Senate should either fulfill its duty and vote on my nominees or it should formally adjourn so I can make recess appointments," Trump said. "We have a tremendous number of people that have to come into government. And now more so than ever before because of the virus and the problem."
Lawmakers in both chambers are not expected to return to the Capitol until May 4 but both the House and Senate have been conducting pro forma sessions in the meantime. That means the Senate is technically in session and Trump may not make recess appointments.
"The current practice of leaving town while conducting phony pro forma sessions is a dereliction of duty that the American people can not afford during this crisis," he said. "It is a scam, what they do. It’s a scam. And everybody knows it and it’s been that way for a long time."
Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution grants Trump the power to "on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper."
That means that in order for the president to step in and dismiss both, the GOP-controlled Senate would have to adjourn while the Democrat-held House objected. Senate Democrats also have procedural tools to prevent the Senate from adjourning.
The National Constitution Center noted that "no President has ever exercised" the authority.
"Perhaps it’s never been done before, nobody’s even sure if it has," Trump said. "But we’re going to do it. We need these people here. We need people for this crisis, and we don’t want to play any more political games."
The Trump administration has long been plagued by vacancies across the government. Trump has declined to nominate full-time appointees to key positions, instead relying officials in acting capacities.
One hundred and fifty of 749 "key positions" tracked by The Washington Post and Partnership for Public Service do not have nominees, while another 15 are awaiting nomination.
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), a key agency in guarding against the coronavirus and other national security threats, has not had a full-time secretary in over a year. A number of other top positions in the department remain unfilled.
Trump cited the director of national intelligence, two members of the Federal Reserve Board, the undersecretary of agriculture responsible for administering food security programs and the head of the U.S. Agency for Global Media as nominees he has put forward who are awaiting confirmation amid the pandemic.
Rep. John Ratcliffe (R-Texas) nominated to be the director of national intelligence has not yet received a hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee. Judy Shelton, one of Trump's Federal Reserve Board nominees, has not yet received a vote before the Senate Banking Committee, after hitting early skepticism from GOP members of the panel.
Trump's comments are likely to pour new fuel into the fight over nominations, which have emerged as a lightning rod in recent years. Senate Republicans went "nuclear" in 2019 to change the Senate's rules and cut down on the amount of time it takes to confirm most executive nominees and district judges. But Democrats are still able to force Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to eat up days of floor time for a single nomination under the chamber's rules.
Trump touted the number of judicial nominations, a top priority for McConnell, confirmed by the Senate: 193. But he argued that nominees for the executive branch were stuck in limbo for up to years because Democrats were "holding this up."
"It's a very unfair system," Trump said. "There's no time for anybody else and many of these people have been waiting for two and a half years. ...We can't get them approved by the Democrats. ...It's just a concerted effort to make life difficult."
It's unclear what prompted Trump to levy his attack on the congressional confirmation process on Tuesday, but it marked the latest instance of the president using his coronavirus briefings to take up political fights as his White House comes under criticism for its handling of the pandemic.
Coronavirus has infected roughly 635,000 people in the U.S. and killed roughly 28,000.
He has previously chastised presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden during briefings, described Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) as a "lightweight" and warned lawmakers against conducting "partisan investigations" after the House convened a special committee to exam the federal response to the pandemic.
Trump has also used the briefings to push other proposals in line with his broader agenda. He rolled out increased narco-terrorism patrols earlier this month and announced on Tuesday that his administration would put a hold on funding for the World Health Organization (WHO), accusing it of being too trusting of China.
Hmm.
I wonder what would have happened if Obama did this? Hell, I don;t think FDR would've been able to pull this off literally during WWII. Closest analogue I can think of is Wilson's Sedition acts that made it illegal to criticize the president during WWI...and the Spanish Flu.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26603719 - 04/15/20 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So Congress is blocking his appointments for the director of national intelligence, two members of the Federal Reserve Board, the undersecretary of agriculture responsible for administering food security programs and the head of the U.S. Agency for Global Media?
Shouldn't those positions be filled?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26603730 - 04/15/20 06:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think they're filled in an "acting" capacity, if at all. Then again, something like one third to one half of the senior executive positions are currently unfilled.
The part that I find most worrying is that these positions can be filled on a party line vote in the Senate since they changed the rules. Which means the people he's trying to fill them with are so unqualified even Moscow Mitch, Putin's Bitch won't touch that shit.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26603788 - 04/15/20 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: ...the people he's trying to fill them with are so unqualified even Moscow Mitch, Putin's Bitch won't touch that shit.
Maybe they were unqualified, or maybe they just weren't establishment enough. Your article didn't explain why Trump's picks were unqualified.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26603836 - 04/15/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I can't find a single article in which Moscow Mitch defends his choice to not vote on these guys, whereas he has no problem voting for blatantly unqualified 30 year old judges that have yet to preside over a single trial to the federal circuit.
The Turtle is at least decently smart, smart enough to play it close to his chest.
For one, Ratcliffe has a history of...supporting going to war against Iran, illegal travel bans, and he leads the conspiracy that the FBI contains a secret society that is trying to destroy Trump. He'd be the pick for DNI.
Next, let's see here...Shelton, the Fed pick, argued that interest rates were way too low under Obama, then way too high under diaper don. Most recently, her position is that we should have 0% interest rate and 0% inflation, and that we should return to the gold standard. She also believes that he Fed should not be independent of the executive branch and should follow the wishes of the president (but not when Obama was president). She similarly flopped on free trade, and thinks that the world needs to have a global conference on returning to the gold standard at Mar-a-Lago. Not sure why she was so specific on where the conference should be held (HAHA JK I know exactly why).
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26604124 - 04/15/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Trump mentioned this guy, Michael Pack by name, his nomination to be CEO of the U.S. Agency for Global Media. "Michael Pack, a conservative filmmaker with ties to Steve Bannon, has seen at least $1.6 million in donations from his nonprofit sent into the coffers of his independent production company, according to disclosure forms..." https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/20/trump-nominee-michael-pack-used-nonprofit-donations-to-fund-media-firm.html
Then there's this: "...At least 11 Republican senators in recent months have disclosed they’re blocking votes on nominees for agencies including the Energy, Agriculture, State, Homeland Security and Justice departments. The vast majority of those delays remain in place while the lawmakers demand concessions on issues such as ethanol regulations, marijuana, disaster funding and nuclear waste..." https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/republicans-trump-nominees-397714
Trump stated on March 14, 2018 in in a tweet: Says Democratic obstruction is the reason why "many important positions in government are unfilled." 1/2 true or 1/2 false? https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2018/mar/16/donald-trump/why-trump-appointments-have-lagged-behind-other-pr/
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26604151 - 04/15/20 09:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: So Congress is blocking his appointments for the director of national intelligence, two members of the Federal Reserve Board, the undersecretary of agriculture responsible for administering food security programs and the head of the U.S. Agency for Global Media?
Shouldn't those positions be filled? 
Yes. And congress has every right to not approve them. That’s their job.
The DNI guy is going for a second try. He was voted down last time.
trump has to appoint people who can get confirmed. That’s the balance.
Why have you turned into such a trump syncophant?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods]
#26604160 - 04/15/20 09:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Trump acts like he’s the first president who had to deal with a senate that wasn’t a rubber stamp. He such a fucking whiner.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods]
#26604182 - 04/15/20 09:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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He was complaining about how he can’t get more judges. Recess appointments end at the end of the congressional session. Any judges that are appointed during a recess would have a term that ends in January.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26604409 - 04/15/20 11:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Ratcliffe … leads the conspiracy that the FBI contains a secret society that is trying to destroy Trump. He'd be the pick for DNI.
I support Trump's pick. The FBI did a massive 3 year investigation to find evidence of Trump Russia collusion and found nothing. Then they had to drop the case of Russian election interference. Trump should get rid of those responsible.
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Kryptos said: Shelton, the Fed pick, argued that interest rates were way too low under Obama, then way too high under diaper don. Most recently, her position is that we should have 0% interest rate and 0% inflation, and that we should return to the gold standard. She also believes that he Fed should not be independent of the executive branch and should follow the wishes of the president (but not when Obama was president). She similarly flopped on free trade, and thinks that the world needs to have a global conference on returning to the gold standard at Mar-a-Lago. Not sure why she was so specific on where the conference should be held (HAHA JK I know exactly why).
I agree with you, that sounds like a bad pick to me.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26605309 - 04/16/20 09:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If an investigation results in no conviction, does that mean the investigation should never have taken place?
Or, to put it another way, should investigations only be carried out when the result is known?
Or, to put it yet another way, should investigations necessarily find fault in every case?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26605360 - 04/16/20 09:53 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not necessarily. But it'd be very interesting to see the grand jury testimony for Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Kryptos]
#26605368 - 04/16/20 09:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also the premise is faulty. There were plenty of convictions.
Who should get fired for not getting a conviction of Joe and Hunter B? The entire fucking GOP house should go to jail for not putting Hillary behind bars.
That fucking Q needs to be drawn and quartered for all the convictions he promised that never materialized.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods]
#26605374 - 04/16/20 09:58 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Also the premise is faulty. There were plenty of convictions.
Not for collusion.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26605401 - 04/16/20 10:10 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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So what? That wasn’t their mandate.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods]
#26605415 - 04/16/20 10:15 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you don't like the word 'collusion', they didn't find this either:
"any links and/or coordination bet ween the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump"
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26605529 - 04/16/20 10:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why are you keen to punish the FBI for coming to a conclusion you agree with?
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods]
#26605543 - 04/16/20 10:51 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone should should be punished for that.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26605554 - 04/16/20 10:56 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't think anyone should should be punished for that.
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The FBI did a massive 3 year investigation to find evidence of Trump Russia collusion and found nothing. Then they had to drop the case of Russian election interference. Trump should get rid of those responsible.
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Re: dumpy wants to adjourn congress to appoint his cronies [Re: koods] 1
#26605587 - 04/16/20 11:04 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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For opening the investigation in the first place, not for finding nothing.
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