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Do you believe in God? * 1
    #26603100 - 04/15/20 02:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Just curious
Do you believe in God?
You may choose only one


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Kernel Flanders] * 2
    #26603114 - 04/15/20 02:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Which one?


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Gene Hackman]
    #26603122 - 04/15/20 02:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don’t.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603128 - 04/15/20 02:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It only makes sense if I believe in our dark lord


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: blackhawk]
    #26603186 - 04/15/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I don't believe in any particular god. But I don't fully believe there ISN'T any god, anymore though. My idea of god wouldn't be any humanoid entity with a specific sex or anything like that.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: blackhawk]
    #26603188 - 04/15/20 02:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Who said it had to make sense? Humans strive for completion and will craft stories to fill in the gaps.

Even if things don’t make sense I see no reason to believe in god.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603190 - 04/15/20 02:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder if science will ever get advanced enough to actually be able to prove or disprove the existence of god, or gods.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Eminence]
    #26603205 - 04/15/20 02:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Science and religion are not opposed to each other.

Science is pretty weak, hell people worship it just like a religion.  Asimov made note of this is one of his brilliant stories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Science


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26603227 - 04/15/20 02:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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InfiniteDreams said:
Science and religion are not opposed to each other.

Science is pretty weak, hell people worship it just like a religion.  Asimov made note of this is one of his brilliant stories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Science



Common misinterpretation of what science is. Also that book is science fiction and did you even read the link? It functions more like Christianity than science.

Why would you assume a God/gods exist?


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Eminence] * 1
    #26603230 - 04/15/20 02:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Science cannot be used prove whether or not something exists if the thing it's trying to verify isn't defined. If someone were to say that God were everything, or that God was the Universe, that would be pretty easy to prove on a purely semantic level. Likewise, if defining it as some power outside of this plane that's unobservable, that leaves a lot to conjecture, often purposefully.

Whether something is verifiable or not really boils down to context. Nearly every single conversation about religious belief should begin with defining what it is you believe in, instead it's usually some undefined force that we have personified rather than a defined set of circumstances that may or may not exist.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26603242 - 04/15/20 03:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

To me saying god is everything is the same as saying the universe is everything, it’s a blithe statement that goes nowhere and advances nothing. I can pretty much replace God in the instance with any made up word for the same effect.

Though if you define it as a power outside this “plane” one would wonder how you know that to be the case. From what I gather God seems to be the escape hatch for what we can’t explain. I find it telling that humans seem to be the only ones concerned about this question and that it speaks more to our mental state as a species than it does about reality itself


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603246 - 04/15/20 03:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanatos10 said:
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InfiniteDreams said:
Science and religion are not opposed to each other.

Science is pretty weak, hell people worship it just like a religion.  Asimov made note of this is one of his brilliant stories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Science



Common misinterpretation of what science is. Also that book is science fiction and did you even read the link? It functions more like Christianity than science.

Why would you assume a God/gods exist?




Science is pretty basic.  Hypothesis -> experiment -> results

And because people are bullshitters, they add the repeatable clause.

And yes, not only did I read the link, but I read his entire series.  You haven't read Isaac Asimov?  lol


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #26603249 - 04/15/20 03:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah you're right. But considering I wouldn't know what the hell to be looking for as proof in the first place, my hypothetical scenario would also include science being advanced enough to be able to determine what god really is first anyway. How? No idea. It's a fun topic to think about, but it never goes anywhere obviously.

Really the only thing I could consider a god that is tangible and observable would be nature itself. I feel like some pagans had it closer than anyone honestly. But that's really the easiest idea to think of, but it still makes more sense to me than something like a man being a messenger for god.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603251 - 04/15/20 03:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I said no because I don't truly believe in a god. Possibly some powerful force that sparked it all, but not an actual human like figure that has opinions/morals like religions believe.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603255 - 04/15/20 03:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

zZZz gonna be PISSED when he sees all y'all saying no



And zZZz shall fall from the heavens to rain his wrath of destruction on that ass

Psalm 29:2


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: InfiniteDreams]
    #26603258 - 04/15/20 03:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

InfiniteDreams said:
Quote:

Thanatos10 said:
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InfiniteDreams said:
Science and religion are not opposed to each other.

Science is pretty weak, hell people worship it just like a religion.  Asimov made note of this is one of his brilliant stories:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Science



Common misinterpretation of what science is. Also that book is science fiction and did you even read the link? It functions more like Christianity than science.

Why would you assume a God/gods exist?




Science is pretty basic.  Hypothesis -> experiment -> results

And because people are bullshitters, they add the repeatable clause.

And yes, not only did I read the link, but I read his entire series.  You haven't read Isaac Asimov?  lol




Had to check because the link didn’t back up your point about science.

The repeatable aspect is to make sure it wasn’t a fluke that happened. It’s not bullshit. It’s the reason I can use a pen without fear of it exploding on me.

Is it perfect? No, but they never said it was. It is however far better than anything else I’ve come across in my life, and I’ve quite literally been all over.

Once again, you misunderstand science.


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603262 - 04/15/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Science is, in some sense being comfortable with saying “I don’t know”. People who use God seem to be uncomfortable with that


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10] * 1
    #26603267 - 04/15/20 03:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Invalid poll. No STAL :notsureif:


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: spirit_shadow]
    #26603271 - 04/15/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

STAL?


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Re: Do you believe in God? [Re: Thanatos10]
    #26603274 - 04/15/20 03:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Had to check because the link didn’t back up your point about science.

The repeatable aspect is to make sure it wasn’t a fluke that happened. It’s not bullshit. It’s the reason I can use a pen without fear of it exploding on me.

Is it perfect? No, but they never said it was. It is however far better than anything else I’ve come across in my life, and I’ve quite literally been all over.

Once again, you misunderstand science.




Slow down, hero.  I wasn't saying that "repeatable" was bullshit.  I said that it was necessary because people like to bullshit.  I am not arguing against repeatability, just specifying why it was included.

In your mind you believe I am against science somehow.  But I am not.  Science is great and excellent for what it is.  I have taken many courses in it in various disciplines.  In the end it is only ever a model.  The best model humanity has, but still a model of reality conceived by limited human brains.

And a great author expounded on the religious worship of science much more eloquently than I can.

I have not literally been all over, or even around all that much.  However, most intelligent scientists and theologians I have met get along quite well and enjoy their dialog.  The made up "argument" exists only in the minds of the ignorant.


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