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OfflinePitron
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ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus?
    #26601752 - 04/14/20 10:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Found this on a tree stump by a river, south island, New Zealand.







I didn't pick these yet, so I don't have a spore print or any more details besides the pictures. If someone tells me these could be active (or great eating) I'll go back and pick them. Happy to provide a spore print if necessary.

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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26601758 - 04/14/20 10:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Gymns indeed


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Moria841]
    #26601815 - 04/14/20 11:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

May be G. junonius, if so, not active (in NZ as far as I’m aware) and not good eating, either.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: KarmaComa]
    #26603004 - 04/15/20 01:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks guys. Are none of the Gymns here in NZ active? I've read varying reports about their psilocybin content before.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26603109 - 04/15/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Following cause interesting whether active or not


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Myrka]
    #26603419 - 04/15/20 04:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

gymnopilus specie’s, luteofolius, junonius, aeruginosus are whats considered ‘mildly’ active so they are weaker than a cultivated cubensis. A lot of folk make tea’s with gym specie because of their bitter taste and low psychedelic contents. psychedelics will effect everyone different, so their worth keeping and trying if correct ID. wait for Ti


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Himinji]
    #26603457 - 04/15/20 04:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

These are gymnopilus junionus. As for their activity, I don't know. When a gym is labelled inactive, it's, as far as I know, because of failure to detect psilocybin. I think it's still a possibility they contain gymnopilin, hispidine and bisnoryangonin.
Make some tea and find out 😁 Let us know how it goes.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26603512 - 04/15/20 05:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Psilosadhu said:
These are gymnopilus junionus. As for their activity, I don't know. When a gym is labelled inactive, it's, as far as I know, because of failure to detect psilocybin. I think it's still a possibility they contain gymnopilin, hispidine and bisnoryangonin.
Make some tea and find out 😁 Let us know how it goes.




I've often thought this as well. Just because theres no psilocin I'd thing they would still be mildly psychoactive due to the other chemicals they likely contain


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #26603579 - 04/15/20 05:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Also begs the question “why?” or “why not?”. Why would an active species in one region not be active in another? What’s the mechanism or the factors that would cause or not cause production of psilocybin, etc.? Or at what point in its lineage did an established species, say Gymnopilus junonius, fork where one would decide to produce psilocybin and pass that on?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26603625 - 04/15/20 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: HSapiensAmericanus]
    #26603646 - 04/15/20 06:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Also begs the question “why?” or “why not?”. Why would an active species in one region not be active in another? What’s the mechanism or the factors that would cause or not cause production of psilocybin, etc.? Or at what point in its lineage did an established species, say Gymnopilus junonius, fork where one would decide to produce psilocybin and pass that on?




I wonder the exact same thing. The whole "Is G. junonius active in X country" question is a rabbit hole of anecdotal evidence, misidentification, and taxonomic uncertainty.

From what I've seen on the Shroomery, it seems possible that these Oceanic Gymnopilus don't contain psilocybin/psilocin but do contain several kavalactones which produce a relaxed psychoactive experience.

The whole thing is a big question mark for me. It reminds me of the G. ventricosus vs. G. junonius conundrum on the West Coast of the United States. I'd say there's a good chance of a nearly identical Gymnopilus species (morphologically speaking) growing in Australia and New Zealand.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Moria841]
    #26603817 - 04/15/20 07:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Also begs the question “why?” or “why not?”. Why would an active species in one region not be active in another? What’s the mechanism or the factors that would cause or not cause production of psilocybin, etc.? Or at what point in its lineage did an established species, say Gymnopilus junonius, fork where one would decide to produce psilocybin and pass that on?




I wonder the exact same thing. The whole "Is G. junonius active in X country" question is a rabbit hole of anecdotal evidence, misidentification, and taxonomic uncertainty.

From what I've seen on the Shroomery, it seems possible that these Oceanic Gymnopilus don't contain psilocybin/psilocin but do contain several kavalactones which produce a relaxed psychoactive experience.

The whole thing is a big question mark for me. It reminds me of the G. ventricosus vs. G. junonius conundrum on the West Coast of the United States. I'd say there's a good chance of a nearly identical Gymnopilus species (morphologically speaking) growing in Australia and New Zealand.





It seems the species G.junionus is a group of several macroscopically similar species, or at least very different varieties.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: KarmaComa]
    #26603820 - 04/15/20 07:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.




How much did you take?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26603963 - 04/15/20 08:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I had about 2kg wet weight, which I made a tea with. This was a few years ago so I’m hazy on exact details lol but did meticulously research how to prep them at the time.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: KarmaComa]
    #26604004 - 04/15/20 08:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Meticulously? 😂
I haven't tried brewing with fresh gyms myself, but I hear it's rather disgusting. One should use dry mushrooms, to get rid of the taste, if nothing else. I believe you'll get more alkaloids in the water that way as well. But you should've gotten some effects if there were any..
Where in the world are you located?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26604583 - 04/16/20 01:11 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks everyone. Making a tea out of them now, I'll let you know how it goes. I got 600g wet and will drink a third of that, so 200g wet.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: KarmaComa]
    #26604587 - 04/16/20 01:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.




Good to hear! It's my first season in Chch. Waiting for some rain to kick things of for the Subs.

I found some Amanita Muscaria the other day. Did an acid conversion (2h boil with citric acid) to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol. Got a good buzz from that, very different to psilocybin though.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26604663 - 04/16/20 02:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Very nice pics, I think I actualy found some babies growing earlier today


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: ElectroDuck]
    #26604805 - 04/16/20 04:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You did indeed! The pins are stronger and less bitter, I'd go and pick them right away! That's the most promising cluster of G.junionus I've seen in quite some time. Awesome find!


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26604814 - 04/16/20 04:34 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You really should dry them first... Making tea from fresh gyms are no better than eating them. Actually worse. And I think you're underdosing there. 200g fresh equals roughly 20g dry. But I wish you all the best! 🍄


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26604818 - 04/16/20 04:36 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.




Good to hear! It's my first season in Chch. Waiting for some rain to kick things of for the Subs.

I found some Amanita Muscaria the other day. Did an acid conversion (2h boil with citric acid) to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol. Got a good buzz from that, very different to psilocybin though.





How much did you use?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26604834 - 04/16/20 04:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Thanks guys. Are none of the Gymns here in NZ active? I've read varying reports about their psilocybin content before.




ive heard gymnopilus purpuratus are active


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26605900 - 04/16/20 01:41 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Pitron said:
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I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.




Good to hear! It's my first season in Chch. Waiting for some rain to kick things of for the Subs.

I found some Amanita Muscaria the other day. Did an acid conversion (2h boil with citric acid) to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol. Got a good buzz from that, very different to psilocybin though.





How much did you use?




Approx. 50g fresh of the amanitas for a decently strong effect. Will go double that next time, no noticeable nausea from the first try.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Psilosadhu]
    #26605906 - 04/16/20 01:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You really should dry them first... Making tea from fresh gyms are no better than eating them. Actually worse. And I think you're underdosing there. 200g fresh equals roughly 20g dry. But I wish you all the best! 🍄




You might be right, I didn't get any effect worth mentioning yesterday. I might give drying them first a try next time.

What dose did you have success with before?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26606255 - 04/16/20 05:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Pitron said:
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Psilosadhu said:
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Pitron said:
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I’ve only tried G. junonius and it definitely wasn’t active. There are plenty of subs around here (Chch- although not just this minute lol) so I’ve never bothered with them again.




Good to hear! It's my first season in Chch. Waiting for some rain to kick things of for the Subs.

I found some Amanita Muscaria the other day. Did an acid conversion (2h boil with citric acid) to convert the ibotenic acid into muscimol. Got a good buzz from that, very different to psilocybin though.






How much did you use?




Approx. 50g fresh of the amanitas for a decently strong effect. Will go double that next time, no noticeable nausea from the first try.




How would you explain the trip off Amanita?


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Myrka]
    #26611354 - 04/18/20 07:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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How would you explain the trip off Amanita?




Numbing, slowing and coordination impairing like alcohol without the buzz on the onset one gets from a few drinks. It magnified closed eye thoughts for me, giving them a dream-like quality. It also made me very tired and gave me deep and restful sleep for 12 hours.


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Re: ID Request NZ, Gymnopilus? [Re: Pitron]
    #26611452 - 04/18/20 08:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'd compare muscimol-containing mushrooms to the halucinogenic effects of z-drugs like zolpidem or zopiclone


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