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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26682855 - 05/20/20 08:55 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26683087 - 05/20/20 11:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault




Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: mushhead]
    #26683122 - 05/20/20 11:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Lsa- I admire your dedication but man you are like the poster child for over thinking and making adjustments quickly and often :lol:  The SGFC works for cakes, even for multiple flushes. I’d be more impressed if someone could devise a FC that only worked for a first flush. Magic shit.

The closet was most likely the main problem all along. You need constant air currents for the shotgun to work correctly. As far as your second flush it was an MS grow and things happen sometimes, plus you were making adjustments and misting more then fanning and not fanning and opening lids going back and forth. This is all stuff I remember just from reading through this and the “when to toss cakes” threads. Just chill bro :doublejointed:

The shotgun works and provides mad air. You need to have your cakes rolled well and you need to mist when they need it. Don’t count mists and copy exactly on a schedule just spray them as you’d like to be sprayed if you were standing in the wind and wanted to get dried off after a while.

The humidity chambers work as well and can provide enough air too. Personally if I was doing cakes I’d just sit some water or a small layer of wet perlite in a tub and cock the lid. That’s how I rolled at like 17 way back when. Maybe add a small hole or two. Setting up the SGFC sucks deock.

Mushrooms know when you’re being finicky and tripping out on their growth. You’ve got to ignore them a little bit for optimum results.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26683162 - 05/20/20 11:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms know when you’re being finicky and tripping out on their growth. You’ve got to ignore them a little bit for optimum results.




This is the hardest part for every noob. And I'll admit I'm similar atm, because I'm having my first shrooms growing since last year. I already fucked one shoebox lol, but there's so many coming that I won't care that much anymore in a week or two.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Roger Clemency] * 1
    #26683202 - 05/20/20 12:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.




Agreed, every word. I also have to agree with Roger Clemency that my closet was probably the culprit. But also, I have to re-assert the possibility that my ambient humidity just isn't high enough to make the most of the SGFC. I decided that if I ever use the SGFC's. and lol I have two of them now, it will only be on the condition that I use some sort of artificial humidifier in my grow area. But tha's another day. lol I also love Roger's Clemency's name as a huge Yankees fan.

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Lsa- I admire your dedication but man you are like the poster child for over thinking and making adjustments quickly and often :lol:




While I agree, and I also think it can be a flaw at times, it has really helped me with my first n00b grow. Also, thanks to continued overthinking and adjustments, and that leading me to this Water Tub Tek, those cakes that were stalled to the point of being dead in the water for around a month, now seem to be turning around now. Even that water tub I started on Monday that just passed now has a bunch of cakes with fresh pins. I won't lie. Since joining this forum, I have perused hundreds of threads and posts by n00bs just like me who were falling flat on their faces in their first grows. I didn't want to do that. I wanted my first grow to set a really positive tone for any future grows, so I studied, asked questions, made adjustments, and yes, I overthought the shit out of it. All in all, I'm both grateful for all the help I have received and happy I took the approach I did. Now I have probably about a year's worth of shrooms for personal use (maybe a little less) and seemingly more on the way. Hopefully a lot more.

So, here's to overthinking, at least when you're a n00b like me and have sooooooo much to learn!



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26683299 - 05/20/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design. :rofl:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26683351 - 05/20/20 01:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design. :rofl:




lol

Well, jokes aside, I probably made many mistakes I'm not even aware of. But so far, so good on the Water Tub. I am seeing pins in a bunch of cakes that went into the brand new tub about 48 hours. Also, I got my first flush on the Costa Rico Cake I dunked and rolled about 8 days earlier. I also got second flushes on two of my previously stalled GT cakes once I put them into the first Water Tub.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26684532 - 05/20/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Please don't misrepresent my words to make yourself look good publicly and to be a condescending tool. By the way, I would have let your little misguided attempt at a bitchslap go if you didn't completely disregard EVERYTHING else I was saying and asking, only to hone in on a completely irrelevant point and completely make a straw man argument out of it, particularly when I wasn't even arguing with you or anyone else, and certainly wasn't insulting a man I admire like RogerRabbit, who may even be the most knowedgeable person ever grace this site. I really like your Tek, but sometimes you really act like a child, you know that?




There you go again inserting wrongful assumptions about me and the post lol but that's only in your head I promise you I really like your enthusiasm but sometimes worry you take things a little too seriously but I enjoy reading your posts and I look forward for updates from you :super: but remember you expressed an interesting opinion/reasoning on how effectively a "SGFC fruits multiple flushes" but how would you possibly know those facts when you haven't fruited multiple flushes inside a SGFC? See my point I was trying to make? :smile: Could I give opinions on how a Ferarri F 40 handles and drives when going faster than 200km/h if I've owned that car for a few weeks only and never driven it faster that 100km/h? Wouldnt that sound weird? :lol: This is the only thing I commented on, never did I assume you were dissing RR either and I never said that it's all in your head man. :mushroom2::heart:


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My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault




Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.






Where in Antarctica? In my apartment in Antarctica? Of course it would work, I'd like to hear your opinions on why you don't think it would work :shrug: (I'm interested too see how you were reasoning and I don't have anything personal against you either just putting that out there :super:


And I'm talking about all setups not just the HC, I reason the same about the SGFC as well, and for open fruiting as well or Shoeboxes... Why would the SGFC or other setups suddenly fail to work in your estimations? (honest question man, I'm always open to learn and I know from experience I misinterpret as well at times) but it's not the end of the world, we have different opinions so what? "I never neared anything from a man that agreed with me"-sort of thing and not trying to start a fight I promise you as well :eatingout:


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Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design. :rofl:



What parts of this setup have 'hole in em' in your view? (see what I did?) :eatingout: honest question tho, looking to see if it can be improved!


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26684833 - 05/21/20 04:46 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm simply stating that you can't go around making the argument that if someone fails it is the grower and not the Tek because it is an easy argument. Not all teks work in all areas. I don't care if you have central AC or not. In a drier climate your RH of your home will be less than in a humid climate. We don't live in a biosphere and outside RH of the home will.flucuate the inside RH of the home. Kind of like the outside RH of your fruiting chamber will influence the inside RH or evaporation rate of your fruiting chamber.

It is easy when you start to get a grasp on the concept of hubris.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26684987 - 05/21/20 07:01 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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It is easy when you start to get a grasp on the concept of hubris.



My personality disorders from having CPTSD since I was 9 can be very unsexy I get that, and I probably have more insecurities than I can think of that probably why I can't hide them all, I can try to hide only those I'm aware of. I understand for some people they're more obvious, stand out much more and harder to ignore I get that. When I feel the worst I avoid posting all together, avoid meeting people and isolate until I figure out how I can Improve my communication. But I promise you I have nothing against you or anyone man and I'm sry it affects you so much when my insecurities come out of me. But can we please keep the personal stuff in the PM? This is the Tek thread anyway let's discuss cultivation here I'd hate to be locked out of my own thread once again because you can't keep your opinions about me as a person to yourself. Anyway.....



So let me then start by motivating why I disagree with your statement that some FC's by will not work (or that they will perform poorly) in for example too low or RH environments. I know from experience that I can have multiple flushes from the same cake without misting it once in fairly dry environments like a walk in closed with an electric heater that's heating the grow area 24/7 during long and cold winter months in Norway. What's so hard about understanding the simple fact that someone failing a grow doesn't prove that the setup isn't possible to fruit in consistently, but being able to consistently have successful fruiting with the same setup IS IN FACT evidence of the setup being perfectly capable of performing consistently as desired. Which way is it? Am I lying about having soccer's with this and other setups so far or does your failed grow prove instead that this and other setups are unreliable?


Now I'm even more curious how you get so much insights about this setup and its limitations in "a drier climate".. How exactly did you come to the conclusion that this or other setups aren't reliable in "a drier climate"?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26685081 - 05/21/20 07:53 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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There you go again inserting wrongful assumptions about me and the post lol but that's only in your head I promise you




I have a lot of respect for your Tek, and I appreciate the sage advice you give, often between your strange fits of weirdness. So how about this? We can agree to disagree about the part of your post I quoted. I am a huge believer in gratitude, both to the universe for all of my blessings, as well as to the many people who offer to help me, including yourself and a lot of others in this forum. I don't want to argue with someone who is helping me. I stated my position, you just stated your response, so let's agree to disagree and call it a day.

I would honestly rather continue to derive a ton of benefit from your knowledge and tutelage than to bicker with you. So I will also agree to disagree on...well pretty much everything else you said in that post that I didn't quote.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26735873 - 06/11/20 01:17 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus Christ, this page is so retarded lol lemme try to save it :lol:
Here are some coir cakes pinning inside the Water Tub.
What the kids call 'pin city' altho it's more aesthetic than practical imo,
but nevertheless, it will probably still yield a 'full flush' even if only a fifth of those fruits mature (70-100g/cake) :bongload:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26736151 - 06/11/20 07:29 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Lookin good Mateah. What the kids call Mush Love.

How do you feel about Wim Hof? Do the breathing folks, it’s fun...and hot. That should help get things back on track. :werd:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26736290 - 06/11/20 09:11 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Those are all really good points :thumbup: sometimes I literally forget to breathe :facepalm:
Yo wim Hof is da man, he keeps proving that magickal powers are real if you believe they're real. He possesses them :yesnod:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] * 1
    #26742637 - 06/13/20 08:20 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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even if only a fifth of those fruits mature (70-100g/cake) :bongload:




I take that back


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26742840 - 06/13/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Duude those are brutal. That's the kind of picture you'd expect to see on a vendor website next to a "does well on cakes" mushroom strain.

Are those 1 pint like from a tupperware or something?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Roger Clemency]
    #26743081 - 06/14/20 12:19 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

Ha Clemency,

Most definitely Brutal - (love the characterization)
Those cakes are going Ape Shit!

I love the way these fungi work with us in spite of or relative to any impediments or boons we "bestow" in our attempt to "dial it in"!

Mateah, as an overthinker myself, I admire your work and appreciate every adjustment you've made.  Good work, man. Nice pics.  Epic flushes.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: tryptamine14]
    #26743487 - 06/14/20 06:50 AM (3 years, 7 months ago)

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Duude those are brutal. That's the kind of picture you'd expect to see on a vendor website next to a "does well on cakes" mushroom strain.

Are those 1 pint like from a tupperware or something?



:hatsoff: and all my cakes are made from standard wide mouth 1/2 pint jars as per PF Tek.


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Ha Clemency,

Most definitely Brutal - (love the characterization)
Those cakes are going Ape Shit!

I love the way these fungi work with us in spite of or relative to any impediments or boons we "bestow" in our attempt to "dial it in"!

Mateah, as an overthinker myself, I admire your work and appreciate every adjustment you've made.  Good work, man. Nice pics.  Epic flushes.

This ain't no hobby - it is a Way of Life.



I have already fruited cakes inside HC's, that I didn't even mist once during the whole grow and I harvested multiple flushes with several cakes without ever attending to them except for when I'm harvesting and dunking the cakes. To me personally it seems so extreme on the verge to half insane to mist cakes 3-5 times a day which many growers do. Environment is obviously a bit off if you need to compensate for the environment and interfere every few hours during the day, to me at least it's self-explanatory :shrug: environment is far from ideal if it constantly needs maintenence several times a day just to protect the substrates from serious damage. Until growers discover this for themselves they won't understand how hilariously simple it is to fruit cakes you literally don't have to do anything they're the most set and forget thing out there if you put them in an environment that mimics their natural one, high humidity and enough fresh air to develop and mature healthy. And cakes are so easy to study, inspect, observe and they react so quickly to changes in their environment its fascinating to observe. :thumbup:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26744152 - 06/14/20 01:46 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

And the bottom of the cakes are above the water, right?  What kind of rack are you using?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: jay.ach]
    #26744375 - 06/14/20 04:03 PM (3 years, 7 months ago)

You can use whatever as long as it keeps the cakes above water that's the only function :thumbup:


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