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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26625563 - 04/24/20 07:48 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What is the one with the colored cap? Is this RW? Or AA+?
Looks awesome bud!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26626421 - 04/25/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: MateahTwo questions I forgot to ask before, that are actually important. The first is why are you dunking and rolling between flushes? My understanding was that you only dunk after the first flush? Or is that just PF Tek? Second question, I just asked this in another thread that I created, How are you dealing with those full pint cakes, in terms of inoculation, colonizing, and birthing?
Dunking is done after every flush, tho rolling in verm is usually done only after the initial dunk after birth (but I roll my cakes after every dunk for this grow) and I'm working with 1/2 pints, wide mouth jars, as recommended per PF Tek.
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Sockadin said: What is the one with the colored cap? Is this RW? Or AA+?
Looks awesome bud!
Thanks, these are LGT clone! I'm very happy with it so far
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26647081 - 05/03/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of the 5 jars I inoculated in mid April, 3 are fully colonized and two are about two days away. I have a few questions about your tek here, Mateah, since I am going to be going with the Water Tub for fruiting as this thread recommends.
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Mateah said: Dunking is done after every flush, tho rolling in verm is usually done only after the initial dunk after birth (but I roll my cakes after every dunk for this grow) and I'm working with 1/2 pints, wide mouth jars, as recommended per PF Tek.
Okay, great to know. My question then is would you recommend rolling in verm between all flushes then? Is there any reason I need or don't need to do this? I am open to whatever you tell me to do here, because as I followed PF Tek religiously for my fist n00b grow, I intend to follow yours just as fastidiously when I birth these 5 cakes, D&R them, and stick them into the water tub.
Second question is this: It took a lot of time getting many of my Golden Teacher cakes to fruit, and so far, I only got one full flush from all 11 of those cakes. Whereas, I got at least a second flush on like 8 of my 13 Costa Rico cakes. I have a hypothesis, having to do with the vagaries of MS spore syringes. Basically, I kept meticulous track of which cakes and which strains fruited the most, least, and which ones had multiple flushes. At least so far. (I haven't given up on these stalled or resting 24 cakes, though!) For some reason, I seemed to do lot better with the cakes that birthed only AFTER there was pinning. I'm talking about the smallest, little micro-pins. But it seemed that just waiting for full colonazation + one week wasn't good enough. The cakes that I birthed without any pins showing at all were both the slowest to grow and the ones that seem to be resistant to multiple flushes. At least so far.
Anyway, my question is this: Instead of the RogerRabbit formula of 1 week after full colonization, would it be a good idea to WAIT to birth each of the cakes until I see at least one small pin in the jar?
Thanks, and it won't be long now before I am ready to work your Tek's magic.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26659264 - 05/09/20 05:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mateah, I don't know if you're around these days, but I have a couple of more questions about this Tek you invented. I birthed and dunked my first of 5 cakes, which unfortunately is about a week ahead of the other 4, but whatever. Tonight I will put that lone cake into the water tank I made. But I a going with a slight change to the suggestion in your OP, which I think may work out better for me. See the two pics below. I decided that unless you tell me differently, to make the following change:
I put the grate on top of 5 upside down 1/2 pint jars, instead of putting the jars atop the grate. This allows me to put a lot more than just an inch or two of water. In fact, I filled the water right up to about where the mason jars meet the grate. Will this work just as well or better? Seems to me that the more water would be better, and it also allows the cakes to be much closer to the water, without actually touching it, than they would be if they sat atop the bottoms of the mason jars. If I go this route, I will use a piece of tin foil below each cake, since that till hopefully prevent pins from growing downward, through the grates and into the water.
Second question is, in order to facilitate a better microclimate, and since I only birthed one cake yesterday, and will roll it tonight, would it be a good idea to put some of my stalled/resting cakes from my smaller SGFC into the Water Tub to see if that doesn't liven them up a bit? I will squeeze in the other four as I birth, dunk, and roll them.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26665722 - 05/12/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey what's up! Yea I've been buzy lately with house plants lol sry for the delayed amswer, my new place is starting to look like a tropical forest.. 
Anyway.. Yeah you can definitely place old cakes inside your new setup and see how they do  And I think you should roll in verm only once after birthing the cakes, follow the PF Tek and only difference is the fruiting setup. Birth the cakes a few days after full colonization, do not wait for invitro pins to form. Standard procedure is to let the cakes sit for 7 days post full colonization and then fruit. I personally feel that you could fruit at full colonization and don't need to wait an extra week for consolidation time, but it can be hard to know if the cake is fully colonized at the top so the safe way of doing things is to wait a few more days past the point when you decide that the whole of the substrate is colonized (just to be sure)  And you can probably use the grate or the jars however you want as long as there's some water in the tub for humidity. I like to give them a nice mist from at least 3-4feet above (looking for those ultra light micro hovering droplets to softly spread on and around the cakes) ive posted pics of how my cakesvsurface conditions look right before they fruit so you can use that as a gauge I guess. If you feel that you need to mist more than once a day then something is a bit off and probably can be adjusted. Gl
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26666240 - 05/12/20 10:29 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Hey what's up! Yea I've been buzy lately with house plants lol sry for the delayed amswer, my new place is starting to look like a tropical forest.. 
Hey, no worries. Real life trumps online life!
Okay, so verm-roll only once, after birthing. Got it. Here are two pics I just snapped. Here is something very interesting. You appear to be 100% right about misting only like once a day. These cakes have been in the Water Tub for about 40 hours. I wish that at least the one new cake that I birthed, dunked, and rolled was showing the kinds of 3-day results you were getting. But I suspect this has a lot more to do with either my sterilizing, inoculating, and birthing techniques or the vagaries of MS Spore Syringes, than anything with your Tek. Obviously, the dark cake is the new one that has no flushes yet, and the other 8 are some slowpokes, all from my 11 Golden Teacher cakes.
I am really starting to see the benefits of not misting in your Water Tub Tek. I know those cheap-ass hygrometers are not very accurate, but I can tell you this: I fanned both my big SGFC Tub as well as this one a few hours ago. The hygrometers in both tubs dropped to about 50% lol. Instead of panicking, I lightly misted the SGFC, but I did NOT mist the water tub. I wanted to see what would happen when simply putting the lid on upside down, as you recommend, and waiting. Sure enough, within a half hour, the humidity went right up to about 90%, while the one in the SGFC was a lot slower, and only creeped up, hence why I misted the SGFC cakes and not the Water Tub's cakes. Now I know this is NOT truly indicative of the humidity on the cake's surfaces, but it was at least a good sign. I also felt the cakes in your tub and with my fingers, very gently, and they were a helluva lot more moist than the cakes in my SGFC. In any event, you made a believer out of me. I am dramatically reducing my misting, but I am still fanning for about 90 seconds once per day. I misted this morning, and I won't mist again until tomorrow. Unless the cakes look/feel dry to me before then. I will try to mist the cakes in my SGFC less than I usually do, but they definitely need more misting than the cakes in your tub. Perhaps not 5 times a day, as RR recommended over a decade ago. I am going to try misting the SGFC cakes only 3 times a day, and the Water Tub only once a day. I will birth all 4 of the remaining cakes tomorrow or Thursday. They were fully colonized, as follows:
Jar 1 - May 1st Jar 2 - May 4th Jar 3 - May 5th Jar 4 - May 7th
Or do you think that I should just go ahead and birth them tonight? Oh, and fun fact, I have about 3 inches of water in the tub, and the cakes themselves sit at 0.75 inches above the surface of the water.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] 2
#26666864 - 05/12/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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In actuality 'misting' doesn't really tell us the amount of water or and in what fashion it has been sprayed over the cakes. Perhaps RR was misting a fifth of what you and I consider a misting session? Only spreading it out throughout the day with a squeeze or two instead of spraying it all at once, who knows.. its arbitrary and individually figured what misting really means. Imo misting is to replenish the substrate surface and not to hydrate the substrate itself. The water you spray should never impregnate the myc on the surface which should appear to be hydrophobic in a way as the tiny droplets may rest on the surface for days in a row without ever getting absorbed by the colony. Personally not a fan of fanning but I suppose you're not hurting anything by burning 10-15calories waving your arms up and down many cats with different skins 
And Jesus you write long posts, carefully and overly examined procedures lol, you're like a well mannered version of myself 
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 1
#26667998 - 05/13/20 05:37 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mateah said: In actuality 'misting' doesn't really tell us the amount of water or and in what fashion it has been sprayed over the cakes.
I think I found the proverbial silver bullet that was missing in my chain, both for my SGFC and apparently seeming to help even the Water Chamber. I have everything fruiting (lol or trying) in a big closet. The closet is about 46 inches wide, 9 feet high, and only a mere 25 inches deep with the double doors open. (See pic below) That is a pretty large closet, and note that the ceiling of the closet is about two feet above what looks like the large top in the picture. When I first put my two SGFCs in there, waaaaay back at the beginning of April, I kept the doors closed. I misted the 5-6 times a day that RogerRabbit recommended in his PF Tek vids. You can see the Water Tub on the upper right side of the closet, by the way, and the SGFC to the left. The tub on the bottom left (30 Quart SGFC) is empty as I put all 8 cakes from there into the Water Tub with the new cake I birthed a few days ago. I left those doors closed 24/7.
Here is my n00b-hypothesis:
I don't believe that I was getting anywhere near enough FAE with the doors closed, especially since the width of the closet (back to front) is only 25 inches. Look, you guys can knock those cheap ass hygrometers all you want. You can talk about surface moisture/humidity of the cakes being possibly even wildly different than the humidity that the hygrometer is measuring, even inches away from the closest cakes. And I'm sure you're right. But here is where it does help, even being dubiously accurate: It gives a good reading of "relative humidity" in the air inside the chamber. I can tell you that for the past month and a half, I have spent a lot of energy, a ton of misting, even fanning, trying to keep those meters in my chambers north of 90 mm HG, and it really was an uphill battle. However, my theory is that the doors being closed was causing the air to be very still, and not circulating near enough.
And this is where the hygrometers tell me that my hypothesis may very well be right. As you and many others have said here, they are not an accurate predictor of the moisture on the cake's surface. But I can tell you that starting the night before last, I have been leaving the double-doors to that closet open. All of a sudden, with a lot less misting than I was doing, both hygrometers are STAYING north of 90 mm, and with very, very little work or misting. I honestly believe that by leaving those doors wide open, the air is circulating immeasurably better now, and this is allowing the humidity to stay high without constantly needing to mist. I am now misting the SGFC only 2-3 times a day, and your Water Tub only ONCE. And the humidity in both chambers is STAYING north of 90. So, say what you want about those hygrometers, but I believe that they led me to solving my problem of why I got shitty 2nd flushes on only about 8 of my original 24 cakes, and no 2nd flushes yet on 16 of them. I also think that the only reason I got he big, fat 1st flushes I did was because the mushrooms were ready to explode out of the 24 cakes when first birthed, so they would have grown no matter what, I suspect. But after that energy was used up in their 1st flushes, the lack of FAE stalled all my cakes. I am anxious to see what happens over the coming days and weeks now that I believe I have created an environment where FAE can naturally occur.
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Mateah said: Perhaps RR was misting a fifth of what you and I consider a misting session? Only spreading it out throughout the day with a squeeze or two instead of spraying it all at once, who knows.. its arbitrary and individually figured what misting really means.
I seriously doubt this. I watched RR's partner in the video spraying those cakes, and lol being anal and OCD about all of this, especially when I first started, I actually counted how many sprays he did when they were talking about misting. The guy did about 60 really fat sprays with the spray bottle, and he pointed the nozzle right at the cakes. Neither of them said anything about avoiding spraying the cakes directly, or anything like what you guys have admonished in this regard. I firmly believed that if RR didn't want us to mist our cakes with 50+ sprays every time, he would have said so. He is very meticulous in those videos, and I have to seriously doubt he would have spent the time in those PF Tek vids demonstrating misting that was flat-out wrong, or way too much.
Now, I know his videos were made about 15-20 years ago. I get that new information comes out all the time. Perhaps his videos have some information that is decades out of date. I have absolutely nowhere near the knowledge to evaluate that, though. I wish he would chime in here and correct our perceptions of his Tek, but he is very inactive in the forums and I don't think he has posted in years.
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Mateah said: Imo misting is to replenish the substrate surface and not to hydrate the substrate itself. The water you spray should never impregnate the myc on the surface which should appear to be hydrophobic in a way as the tiny droplets may rest on the surface for days in a row without ever getting absorbed by the colony. Personally not a fan of fanning but I suppose you're not hurting anything by burning 10-15calories waving your arms up and down many cats with different skins 
Fair enough. Sounds logical to me.
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Mateah said: And Jesus you write long posts, carefully and overly examined procedures lol, you're like a well mannered version of myself 
Ha! You know what? I remember when forums first became a thing. Message forums sort of evolved out of what they used to call "Newsgroups", which were sort of Pre-forums waaaaaaaaay back in the early '90s. I started using message forums, a lot, in the late '90s, when they first started replacing those antiquated email newsgroups. I'm talking about like 1995, which is 25 years ago, when I was posting in those old Yahoo Groups forums. Anyway, for 25ish years, people have been complaining to me about my long posts. I'm sure they will continue to complain for the next 25. 
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] 1
#26674208 - 05/16/20 05:48 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow, I am very surprised! This seems like such a groundbreaking Tek, in my opinion, that I can't believe that nobody is posting here with pictures and progress reports. I think the idea of this Tek is borderline brilliant, in fact. I want to post some pics and my own progress report so far utilizing my first water tub, and hopefully others will post their pics and progress with it as well. Okay, so I put my first (1 of 5) newly birthed, dunked, and rolled cakes into the water tub Sunday afternoon, 1:30PM on 05/10, along with some of my stalled Golden Teacher cakes. This is where I'm at so far, as of last night. See pics below. I finally birthed and D&R'd the last 4 cakes last night. Obviously the darker, verm-covered cakes at the bottom of the pic are the new cakes. Yay! So lol a nod to Fahtster, I have crammed 12 cakes into that tiny, little 30 Quart tub, see pic #1. Pics #2 and #3 show a cake flushing, which is only like the 3rd of my 11 Golden Teacher cakes to have an actual second flush. I have a few other GT cakes in there as well. Oh and I harvested the flush and put the cake in water where they will wait for 24 hours. Anyway, not the biggest flush in the world from that cake. I only got about 35 grams, but still, from a stalled cake, I'll totally take it!
Disclaimer: To be fair, the cake that I just harvested this morning did start pinning and growing while it was in the SGFC, so it would not be entirely accurate to use that as a test case for the Water Tub, since its hard to prove one way or the other whether it would have also fruited the same in the SGFC I took it out of. However, anecdotally, I can say that the cake really took off once I put it in the water tub. Also the stalled GT cakes in there do seem to be pinning more than the counterpart cakes in the SGFC, so that's something. Finally, pic 5 shows the pinning, 5 days after its entry into the water tub of the first cake that has been set to fruit in the water tub only. That's a lot of pins, and I have the feeling this is going to be one really nice flush from that cake, probably Monday or Tuesday.



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26679540 - 05/18/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Glad to see this setup is working out for you <3 I was as excited when I was testing out the 'Humidity Chamber Gen 1' with wet coir. But that was about a year ago, this time around I've had numerous successful grows using different varieties of this HC setup or Water Tub (I'm not sure which name is more catchy or better suited tho I'll let others decide that I won't try to force any name on it, I guess that's why ive been calling it just 'the setup' lately lol) so I've sort of gotten used to having consistent performance and also in the HC thread I've encountered not one but more than a dozin new growers who've also had success so I'd be lying if I said I was surprised that anyone who tries it will have similar results. (but I've also seen some experienced growers mentioning that it didn't work out for them so that's also something to consider I guess) but all in all it seems to be fairly consistent across all levels of experience that have tried it.
How often are you misting and what other regiments are implementing?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26679634 - 05/18/20 06:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mateah said: but all in all it seems to be fairly consistent across all levels of experience that have tried it.
How often are you misting and what other regiments are implementing?
Okay I have a BIG update for you, but first, I was misting my cakes in the big 70 Quart SGFC about 5-6 times a day, robustly, as RR and his partner in the PF Tek video recommended. The cakes in the Water Tub, however, I have only been misting once a day, sometimes twice, but not usually. Its serendipitous that you posted just now, because while you were posting, I was uploading some pics of my setup to the image host site I use. Coincidence or fate? lol
Okay, so here's my update:
Earlier today, I finally got disgusted with the post 1st Flush results I was getting from my SGFC's. I also noticed that the freaking stalled cakes that were in my 30 Quart SGFC (all Golden Teacher cakes) were actually starting to pin only a few days after I stuffed them into the 30 Quart Water Tub I posted pics of this morning. So, in a last desperate attempt to get the other 18 cakes lagging and stalling in my 70 Quart SGFC to start fruiting, I said, Fuck it! I grabbed my face mask and headed to Home Depot and grabbed another 70 Quart Sterilite Container. On a side note, I really think I should get some free stock in their company at this point, but I digress. Anyway, I grabbed my two round Steamers, the ones I used in my big stock pots to sterilize my BRF jars, and I put them in the bottom of the tub. I then filled it with enough water to come to about a half inch below the grates. Then I had to puzzle piece three medium to small sized grates into the 70 Quart tub that is now my second water tub. In short, I have at least temporarily retired both SGFCs now. It may not do anything, as these lagging 18 cakes I took out of the SGFC today and stuffed into the new Water Tub may be too far gone at this point. But you know what? Its worth the $13.00 investment I just paid to see if I can squeeze some more shrooms out of those lagging, stubborn cakes.
Note: This is NOT to disparage the SGFC. I believe it is absolutely a scientifically sound fruiting chamber. However, I get the feeling that back about 15+ years ago, perhaps RogerRabbit didn't realize that some places, where the ambient humidity isn't high enough, simply aren't going to make BRF cakes thrive much past their first flush. And in defense of the SGFC, even for my use, I did get a crapload of shrooms from ALL 24 original cakes, and a nice, fat second flush from at least 1/3 of those cakes. So if they are done, so be it. But I have the feeling that your Water Tub is going to give me some big, FAT flushes of those stalled cakes. As substantiation to that assertion, look at pics 4 and 5. I circled some/most of the pinning coming off cakes that were completely DEAD last week, and in just a few short days, they sure as hell seem to be coming back to life. Pic 1 is both tubs; pic 2 is the original Water Tub I posted last week. Pic 3 is the NEW 70 Quart Water Tub that I hope scores me more flushes.
Note 2: The cake that is flushing is my Costa Rico cake, which is 1 of the 5 I birthed last week. I am just waiting for some of those teensy shrooms to get a little bigger, and then I will harvest them. Probably tomorrow.




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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
#26680291 - 05/19/20 04:27 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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This definitely looks like a great set up for drier climates. Looking good woodrose.
So are your stalled cakes putting out fresh pins as well? I feel like I read that somewhere in your posts.
Cool that this works. I have some coir cakes I made that I might fruit this way in a month.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
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Sockadin said: This definitely looks like a great set up for drier climates. Looking good woodrose.
So are your stalled cakes putting out fresh pins as well? I feel like I read that somewhere in your posts.
Cool that this works. I have some coir cakes I made that I might fruit this way in a month.
Hard to say for sure, but I really think they are. Take a look at pics #4 and #5 in my last post. They sure seem to be. Those pins I circled are all NEW and only began in the few days following stuffing them into the water tub with the new cake(s). The "drier climate" thing is just my hypothesis, based on my reading of the science involved, tempered by my n00b growing experience, Sockadin. Here is what I'm thinking: RogerRabbit is an absolute heavyweight in the field of mycology. He was probably using that first video to teach n00bs like me, who just wanted some shrooms and have absolutely no desire to be a mycologist or even a hobbyist. Also, another caveat I hadn't even considered, is in his entire PF Tek video series (its only one video, not 4 when I bought the set) he never even spoke about multiple flushes to my recollection. It could very well be that he was gearing this Tek to total n00bs and that he was only really anticipating nice, big first flushes, which as you already know, I received in wonderful abundance. Although, I suspect even if that isn't completely true, then he either omitted multiple flushes in his PF Tek video or he discusses them all at once in one of the later videos. I think the real issue I'm facing here is that, to be frank, I am NOT RogerRabbit and not a mycologist. The more I think about it, the more I come to the realization that if he does live in a drier climate, as I do, I would just bet that he has some sort of artificial control over his ambient humidity, which I lack in my home. I just keep coming back to the fact that he is a professional mycologist, and there is no way that I can conceive of that if he lives in a low humidity home or area that he isn't using some form of a high end humidifier.
The other thing I realized about a week and a half ago, is that leaving my big 9 foot closet doors closed was more likely than not causing a severe impingement of FAE that would not have been happening if, say I had my tubs in a big greenhouse or even in my home out in the open, where the air would be moving a great deal more. Since I came to that realization, I immediately took to leaving the closet doors wide open 24/7. It gets annoying with that 100 Watt 6,500K CFL going 12 hours a day, but it is what it is. The problem is that even with the doors open, the cakes were only pinning marginally at best. But I noticed over the weekend that just passed, on Sunday, that ALL the "stalled" cakes I put in the 30 quart water tub with the 5 newly birthed cakes as an experiment were beginning to pin. Not aggressively yet, but a definite sign of life. Now the pins in those older, stalled cakes are getting a little fatter and thicker in the 30 Quart tub, while the 18 cakes in the 70 Quart SGFC were still basically stalled or done. So I figured it would be worth the $13.00 for a new 70 Quart tub, and purchased one yesterday early afternoon, and created a water tub out of that, then stuffed the cakes in. So I probably won't know whether or not that strategy works for at least another week or so as I see if those stalled cakes begin to pin. I have the feeling they will. I really think that this is a great setup that Mateah came up with here and I have high hopes for rejuvenation and more flushes.
I guess we'll see in a week or so what's what.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
#26681869 - 05/19/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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LSA Woodrose said: 15+ years ago, perhaps RogerRabbit didn't realize that some places, where the ambient humidity isn't high enough, simply aren't going to make BRF cakes thrive much past their first flush.
Don't play yourself lol how would you even know what a good second flush would look like? RR probably forgot more than you'll learn (or prove me wrong I guess) but yeah I believe RR understood perfectly well that psilocybe Cubensis can grow whenever you provide breeding grounds 
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Drier climates = growers inability to create conditions
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
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I basically did this with one of my smaller monotubs. So I had some extra rye spawn and decided to toss it into a 2ltr bottle with some substrate to colonize. After it was fully colonized it started to explode out of the bottle so I had to make more space for it. Found this tek and it saved me a lot of time! I cut the bottle away down to the bottom. The cake sits in that and the water surrounds the cake. So far I've had some awesome fruits.
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Sockadin



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26681897 - 05/19/20 08:47 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah because peeps follow teks and Teks don't consider RH outside of the growing environment inside the tub, SGFC, HC, drip shields.
I love the results. Nice work woodrose and Meteah. I will be running a mini HC soon. Water only, don't want to waste coir.
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Mateja


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
#26681918 - 05/19/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault
-------------------- Cakes inside Water Tub
Edited by Mateja (05/19/20 09:03 PM)
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DnDRnD
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Htaeh] 1
#26681937 - 05/19/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Htaeh said: Love the addition of the twigs, looks awesome. I've had huge success with PF tek in the past, one set of 20 cakes lasted me a year of consistent fruiting, only two were half pints. I found the fruiting process quite flexible, mist once a day and a fan once or twice, sometimes if I was unsure of the RH I'd hang some damp kitchen roll somewhere in there for good measure.
Hold up, your saying one set of cakes lasted you a full 365 of putting off consistent fruits? Purely dunking after each flush?
You sir have my attention to hear this story
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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: DnDRnD]
#26681947 - 05/19/20 09:17 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thats impossible!
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LSA Woodrose
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26682570 - 05/20/20 05:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks awesome, mushhead!
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Sockadin said: Yeah because peeps follow teks and Teks don't consider RH outside of the growing environment inside the tub, SGFC, HC, drip shields.
I love the results. Nice work woodrose and Meteah. I will be running a mini HC soon. Water only, don't want to waste coir.
Yeah it is definitely very effective, thanks!
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Mateah said: Don't play yourself lol how would you even know what a good second flush would look like? RR probably forgot more than you'll learn (or prove me wrong I guess) but yeah I believe RR understood perfectly well that psilocybe Cubensis can grow whenever you provide breeding grounds 
Quote mining is a low brow way, lackluster to try and refute a point. You took me completely out of context, while I have maintained nothing but deep admiration for RR throughout every post. The worst part is was NOT insulting RR, but complimenting your Tek I was simply looking for a reason why my SGFCs were NOT producing past 2nd and in some cases 1st flushes. I was simply asking a question about whether my problems were either originally having closed doors OR if my ambient humidity in NYC indoors is too high for an SGFC, and I wondered aloud if perhaps RR was using some form of ambient artificial humidity, since he is a heavyweight.
Please don't misrepresent my words to make yourself look good publicly and to be a condescending tool. By the way, I would have let your little misguided attempt at a bitchslap go if you didn't completely disregard EVERYTHING else I was saying and asking, only to hone in on a completely irrelevant point and completely make a straw man argument out of it, particularly when I wasn't even arguing with you or anyone else, and certainly wasn't insulting a man I admire like RogerRabbit, who may even be the most knowedgeable person ever grace this site. I really like your Tek, but sometimes you really act like a child, you know that?
Anyway, thanks for the information, and the actual guidance and advice. Maybe you could dial down the immature nonsense a little. I will gratefully use the excellent information you have provided on my own from here on out.
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