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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27649495 - 02/07/22 12:41 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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There seem to be large droplets forming on the tub roof. This is normal with condensation, but is it an issue having those drip onto the cakes?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: BobbyBungard]
#27649623 - 02/07/22 02:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Might cause bruising, but outside of that you shouldn't have any issues.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: BobbyBungard]
#27652153 - 02/09/22 11:07 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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BobbyBungard said: There seem to be large droplets forming on the tub roof. This is normal with condensation, but is it an issue having those drip onto the cakes?
Is that with the lid closed or slightly open?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27653104 - 02/10/22 12:18 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Lid closed. Flipped the lid and left small openings for fae. Droplets have gone. Not much moisture buildup on sides of tub, and seems a bit dry. Misted once every second day. How long does it usually take for fruiting to start after dropping cakes into the water tub? B+.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: BobbyBungard]
#27661815 - 02/16/22 08:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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BobbyBungard said: How long does it usually take for fruiting to start after dropping cakes into the water tub? B+.
Based on what I've observed over the years I'm fairly sure that most of my cakes summon the 'intentions to fruit' immediately after they realize there's no more substrate to colonize. (important to remember is that when we estimate that a cake has been 'fully colonized' may in fact be a few days before or after the substrate has actually been fully colonized. We can't visually inspect what's going on inside the substrate, we can just assume that when all visible surfaces appears to be colonized that the inside is likely to be colonized as well.)
That being said, from the very same day that a colony decides that it wants to form fruits it may take between a couple of days and up to a month (or even longer) for the fruits to actually start to form. How long it takes for the fruits to actually start forming and developing continuously will depend mainly on how favorable or miserable to climate and surface conditions are. Some cakes never even get to form any fruits at all due to impossible fruiting conditions (fruiting conditions = Climate inside the FC + surface conditions (micro climate) on the cakes surfaces) Another possible outcome for cakes in 'sub par' fruiting conditions is that there may suddenly appear somewhat favorable fruiting conditions that last for a few days and thus fruits begin to form but will ultimately not be able to continue to develop when these desirable fruiting conditions suddenly vanish once again and we call this a halted growth or aborted fruits.
IME cubensis colonies respond very quickly to changes in environment, in a matter of hours (or even quicker) but noticeable change is usually detected after a few hours regardless if the respons is positive or negative. It never ceases to amaze me just how adaptable this organism is and how quickly it can repair damaged surfaces and then continue to perform well as soon as it's environment improves. I find cakes to be very forgiving as long as the environmental abuse stops reasonably early and as long as the improved environment stays improved. I'd say that a cake colony would probably be able to fruit even if the surface conditions get damaged, repaired, damaged, repaired back to back but don't expect optimal performance if the colony repeatedly gets stressed, nevertheless, they can absolutely tolerate abuse if they are well taken care of inbetween.
Another factor to consider regarding how quickly fruits start to form (in optimal conditions) will be the overall health of the colony, meaning how clean/contaminated the substrate is. This may result in delayed or too early fruit formation (but IME this factor appears to be not as relevant as the before mentioned one) IMO slightly contaminated substrates in optimal fruiting conditions will tend to produce better than for example 100% healthy substrates that are fruited in questionable environment.
Here are some pics to back up some of these statements. I mentioned earlier that fruit formation will often begin immediately after the colony has decided that its time to fruit. Here are a few colonized Coir-Oatmeal cakes that during the making of these substrates I finally added a layer of optimally hydrated coir on top of them after filling up the jars and before the sterilization and inoculation process. I almost always birth my cakes as soon as they appear to be fully colonized, in this instance they actually finished colonizing a few days before I assumed they were finished and so they had a few days to already proceed to create the desired surface conditions on top of the coir layer and thus began fruit formation immediately after finishing colonizing the substrate below and they did this inside the jars meaning that if I would have placed them in the fruiting chamber immediately after birth the fruits would have continued to develop and I would probably end up with a ready to harvest first flush mere days after full colonization had been reached and this is a strong indicator to me at least that 'consolidation times' of 1-2 weeks (as often recommended) is not only not necessary but Im even doubting if 'consolidation before fruiting initiation' is even an existing process at all...
   
I believe that these theories about 'consolidation times' and also 'adaptation times inside the FC' regarding BRF cakes mostly originated long time ago long before the Water Tub came to be and when cakes were being fruited inside very early "proof of concept" type of contrapments that were nonetheless able to produce sufficient fruiting environments that cakes could grow fruits to maturity but since this kind of environment was still very far off from optimal most of those cakes grown didn't have a stabile enough environment to enable the cakes to start forming fruits as soon as fruit formation had been decided on by the colony. This of course resulted in the notion that most likely cakes weren't anyway gonna fruit for the first week after colonization and then would probably need a week or two more inside the FC before fruiting could begin. If I was growing cakes 15-20 years ago in these setups I would most likely come to similar conclusions.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27676043 - 02/27/22 07:33 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Had a cake, decided to give it a whirl before the rest of my cakes are ready.

I have it standing on some tooth picks and the lid it’s standing in prevents it from absorbing more water. May add water when it starts to pin
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: san pedro guy]
#27676065 - 02/27/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Wet wooden sticks might attract mold just so you know. Did you read the newly updated OP by the way? It's very important to first set the foundation for good surface conditions and you do that by first incubating the cake for a few days until you have created the desired surface consisting of newly generated myc covering 50-75% of the cakes surface.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27676180 - 02/27/22 09:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Good to know about the tooth picks
I didn’t know there was an update, I’ll check it out tho.
Thank you!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27676762 - 02/28/22 10:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Im so sorry if I missed this info during my research, but do you sterilize/sanitize the coir in any way before rolling the cakes? Im not sure how clean itll be sitting in the open air after rehydrating it.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Shiloh]
#27676956 - 02/28/22 01:36 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Hydrated coir doesn't contaminate in open air
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27677980 - 03/01/22 08:54 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I´m wondering, should I also roll the cakes in vermiculite as is traditionally done with BRF cakes?
(After coating with coir of course)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: baldur]
#27677983 - 03/01/22 08:57 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I´m wondering if the method has evolved from the initial post in this thread? Anything to add to this recipe?
So these are the steps I gather:
- Dunk cakes in water for 24h - Coat cakes with hydrated coir, 5-10mm thick - Put 1" water in bottom of a plastic box - Put a cookie rack in a plastic box above water level - Place cakes in box and close - Wait until mycelium has grown through the coir layer (2 days approx.) - Spray cakes to create micro climate - Leave a small opening on the lid - Spray when needed - HARVEST
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: baldur]
#27678011 - 03/01/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Just wanted to pop on this thread and say thank you to Mateja for this Tek. I got a few different cakes in a few different chambers and all is going good. Definitely noob friendly! I will definitely post pics when done!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: P.Nowhere]
#27682694 - 03/04/22 03:30 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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This is uncle ben tek, inoculated on 6th Feb, 24 days later on 2nd March the cake was taken out, put in tap water for ~16 hours, covered in hydrated coir (boiled water from kettle, let it cool) and put in a tub with some water on 3rd March. Now 1 day later I come home to see this:
Here's hoping it goes well. I have some BRF cooking but they will need to wait 2-3 weeks yet before birthing.

^^ the above is the only tub condensation I'm getting. room temp is 21 C (69.8 F) - any concern?
I'm happy to leave it for a bit and see what happens before cracking the lid.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: UFOAstro]
#27682706 - 03/04/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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UFOAstro said: This is uncle ben tek, inoculated on 6th Feb, 24 days later on 2nd March the cake was taken out, put in tap water for ~16 hours, covered in hydrated coir (boiled water from kettle, let it cool) and put in a tub with some water on 3rd March. Now 1 day later I come home to see this:

I see new fresh myc has a firm grasp on (at least parts of the coir layer) but I have a hard time dpguring out what I'm looking at, looks like side view from a cake? But it looks more like a burger lol, do you have an overhead view pic?
Anyway I really like the look of the myc I can see so far so perhaps it's time to create the initial surface conditions and increase FAE, but before deciding to go ahead I'd like to see how the rest of that unusual cake looks
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27682743 - 03/04/22 04:05 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Mateja said:
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UFOAstro said: This is uncle ben tek, inoculated on 6th Feb, 24 days later on 2nd March the cake was taken out, put in tap water for ~16 hours, covered in hydrated coir (boiled water from kettle, let it cool) and put in a tub with some water on 3rd March. Now 1 day later I come home to see this:

I see new fresh myc has a firm grasp on (at least parts of the coir layer) but I have a hard time dpguring out what I'm looking at, looks like side view from a cake? But it looks more like a burger lol, do you have an overhead view pic?
Anyway I really like the look of the myc I can see so far so perhaps it's time to create the initial surface conditions and increase FAE, but before deciding to go ahead I'd like to see how the rest of that unusual cake looks 
here we go:

current temp changed to 24C, 40%, but I can't do very much about it
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: UFOAstro]
#27682768 - 03/04/22 04:19 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Ok now I can see what's going on at least 
Definitely let them incubate a bit longer until myc is poking through most of the top layer as well. Looks good so far
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27682789 - 03/04/22 04:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Mateja said: Ok now I can see what's going on at least 
Definitely let them incubate a bit longer until myc is poking through most of the top layer as well. Looks good so far 
Noted! I will let them chill for a few days yet
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: UFOAstro]
#27682901 - 03/04/22 05:53 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Make sure to post pics tomorrow again so we can see if they're ready or if they need to go one more day
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27682943 - 03/04/22 06:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Not sure if this is the right spot but I have the coir cake i let sit for too long, I tried to top with coir but it looks like it’s just side pinning a bunch. I am going to take it out of the container so my question is: since it already has a bunch of pins should I still roll in verm or coir? Or can I just set it in the water tub like it is?

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