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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27017487 - 11/02/20 01:04 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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It will forever be a symbol of human ingenuity and resourcefulness. It stands for unmeasurably well meaning intention based design deeply rooted in further priceless contributions of knowledge to all the world's active mushroom cultivators. It is the doorstep that takes you to Narnia I can only praise the 6 sided melody of life.




Almost shed a tear! :tryingnottodie:
This is a beautiful statement on humble beginnings.
Based on Phony's feedback I'm even more encouraged to give this FC a go.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: GrinchGrower]
    #27019835 - 11/03/20 04:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Finally got my first cakes just about ready to fruit. Been reading up on the different methods and the Water Tub Tek looks like something that’s straight forward enough.

I’ve been using the tub in tub method to colonise as it gets very cold where I am and it’s worked a treat so far.

Now I’m going to have the same issue with the fruiting as I need to keep the tub warm due to the cold conditions.

Would using the fish tank heater in the bottom of the tub with the 4-5 inches of water cause any potential issues with the fruiting ??

I can then keep the temperature where I need it to be and create the correct environment.

Unsure if this would cause any contaminant issues.




First of all I keep 2-3cm of water in the tub not 4-5 inches that's way too much.
And if you can't provide room temperature then maybe wait with growing mushrooms until you can?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27052154 - 11/22/20 12:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Mateah,

I've been lurking the forums for the past few months, reading up on many teks as I tried my hand at a first batch of mushrooms. I liked the simplicity of your water tub so went with that as my fruiting chamber of choice :smile:

I've attached some pictures of my setup. I colonized my cakes in full pint jars, then sliced them in half, soaked them, rolled them in verm, and tossed them in the fruiting chamber. End result is a chamber that's a bit more cramped than I had intended...

The tub I bought doesn't have a transparent lid, so I've got a set of grow lights installed just under the lid which are on for 12 hrs a day.

I've misted twice now and used a lot of water (at least I think so) maybe ~120 mL of water both times. My humidity gauge has been at 99% for the last 36 hours now. I've fanned it only once.

My questions for you (or anyone else reading this who has input):
1.) Should I mist more? or less? I wanted to achieve the microclimate that you show in your pictures, but even when I went trigger happy with my spray bottle many of my cakes didn't retain droplets on them. I'm thinking maybe it's because I rolled them in too much vermiculite which has absorbed it all? In which case I should keep misting to saturate the vermiculite to the point where droplets accrue on the surface?
2.) Related question, is it bad to have the chamber at 99% humidity constantly? Should I fan some of this humidity out and try to maintain 90 or 95% instead?

Any advice much appreciated man. You've put together a great tek with some great photos of promising results.











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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Awkward1]
    #27052613 - 11/22/20 05:21 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm glad you found this Tek but you're not following it like I described so I cant guarantee you the results I got. Cakes should be misted minimally if at all, only upon birthing and creating the initial microclimate. Your cakes look soaked already and I wouldn't put any lights inside the chamber. No where do I mention fanning either in the Tek lol. One think after making it so straight forward that it'd be interpreted that way too :popcorn:


But yeah I'd stop misting right away and also I'd close the lid fully on that tub for a couple of days or until regenerated myc has began popping through the wet verm layer and only then I'd carefully apply misting from high above and regularly inspect the micro climate on the cakes during the misting. I sometimes stop misting 3-4 times while inspecting the micro climate until I'm satisfied. I've posted pics in the OP of how the micro climate on my cakes looks at all times. Gl


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27052695 - 11/22/20 05:58 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome thanks for the advice. Will seal the lid and forget about it for a couple days :thumbup:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Awkward1]
    #27052756 - 11/22/20 06:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure you'll get your micro climate tuned in very soon :super:

Here's a tub with a bunch of cakes that I've coated in wet verm and placed inside the tub and put the lid on. I'll update with pics so you can see at what stage I open the lid to allow evaporation to begin :thumbup:



In another tub a cake was finishing so I pulled it out for harvesting. Small fruits on this one, cakes smelled a bit sour and I dunked them only for 12h exactly because of my suspicions about being bacterial. The RH in my apartment has been 10-11% for a week now, outside RH is in the 40's and still despite these factors I'm expecting most cakes to produce at least one full flush but probably will be two for the most of them. It's a testament to both the PfTek and the Water Tub imo. Altho these are Oatmeal-coir cakes instead of Brf-verm, but the PfTek method is the same.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27068086 - 12/02/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

A little update from me. It's Day 11 and I'm pretty pleased with the progress. Growth is slower than I was expecting (naïve noob), but at least I've now got pins and/or legit mushrooms on all 24 of my cakes.

I was able to get the microclimate dialed in a lot more on most of the cakes, but some were absolutely refusing to retain water on their surfaces for any length of time so I've still been misting several times each day to keep these ones wet.

Unfortunately the shrooms are really liking the ends of my cakes which were at the bottom of my pint jars and never fully consolidated. The direction on their growth really made my already cramped fruiting chamber even worse. So today I rearranged things a bit, leaning some of the end-heavy cakes against the external walls to free up some space.

One thing I'm noticing now is that half of my shrooms have white heads while the others have brown...  Other than the colour difference, the size and shape of both are identical as far as I can tell. Not sure what that's all about, will continue to monitor, maybe the whites will darken over the next few days (he says hopefully).

Thanks again for the help Mateah.



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Awkward1]
    #27071158 - 12/04/20 03:29 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It funny how this kinds of contraptions have been disregarded MANY times in the past but now they prove everybody else wrong. Its simple physics.


Will be trying this in the following weeks with some galindoi if everything goes well.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Awkward1] * 1
    #27071161 - 12/04/20 03:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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I was able to get the microclimate dialed in a lot more on most of the cakes, but some were absolutely refusing to retain water on their surfaces for any length of time so I've still been misting several times each day to keep these ones wet.



Coir and Verm as materials are specifically designed to absorbe and hold lots of water, so don't expect water droplets to be retained on plain coir or verm, the cake you've been misting several times a day is probably soaked to to hell, and no matter how much you mist it you will never achieve the microclimate you're after since you don't even have a substrate surface that's able to retain water droplets on its surface. Only fresh/healthy myc has these 'hydrophobic' properties that enable you to apply a thin layer of droplets that stay on the surface for periods at a time without ever breaking their surface tension and soaking the myc. Here are some more photos to give you an idea.



These are newly birthed cakes, dunked for 24h and coated in a layer of somewhat overly hydrated coir (a bit over-hydrated coir sticks much better to the cakes than a 'field capacity' hydrated one. And after placing the cakes inside I close the lid shut for 1-3 days until enough myc has regenerated and 'grabbed' the coir layer.
Important to remember to not restoroct FAE as much as possible at this stage if you want it to start colonizing the outer layer.



This is the look you're trying to achieve, cakes which have an outer layer that's partially or mostly colonized by new growth. I let my cakes colonize about 50-70% of the coir layer before allowing the evaporating to begin. When cakes begin to look like this then I simply flip the lid and turn it a few degrees so that it's slightly off centre.



This is a closeup of one of the cakes (left side pic) so you can see how the surface looks on the cakes after they've been staying in a sealed off Water Tub for 2.5 days. And second pic (on the right) is how it looks moments later after, as the initial misting of the the cakes is finished (and this is also the end result of the newly created surface conditions) which will hopefully maintain itself without the need of further misting.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27071166 - 12/04/20 03:43 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It funny how this kinds of contraptions have been disregarded MANY times in the past but now they prove everybody else wrong. Its simple physics.
Will be trying this in the following weeks with some galindoi if everything goes well.
Any advice?



The most important advice I have for all growers attempting to fruit in one of these is: "try to resist the urge to use the spray bottle unless it's absolutely necessary". Even if your grow area is a desert like mine is (constantly around 10% RH) and even if you increase FAE quite a bit you still shouldn't have to mist more than once a day) look forward to seeing some Galindoi in a Water Tub :thumbup: gl


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27071176 - 12/04/20 04:06 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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It funny how this kinds of contraptions have been disregarded MANY times in the past but now they prove everybody else wrong. Its simple physics.
Will be trying this in the following weeks with some galindoi if everything goes well.
Any advice?



The most important advice I have for all growers attempting to fruit in one of these is: "try to resist the urge to use the spray bottle unless it's absolutely necessary". Even if your grow area is a desert like mine is (constantly around 10% RH) and even if you increase FAE quite a bit you still shouldn't have to mist more than once a day) look forward to seeing some Galindoi in a Water Tub :thumbup: gl




Alright then! I hope to be uploading photos in some weeks

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27083416 - 12/11/20 04:16 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok, I took your advice and coated my cakes in a fresh batch of moist verm. I also went to the store and bought a new tub for your tek. At the moment I plan on leaving the lid on latched until the mycel take over some of the new verm layer. My only questions is, when I have the cakes recovering, should i be misting? Or leave it be until the mycelium has taken over some of the verm. Thanks for the help, I greatly greatly appreciate your advice.



Try not to interfere with the colonization of the outer layer, it may take 2-3days depending on how fast your culture is, temps and humidy inside the tub. If you manage to stop the evaporation off the cakes completely for a few days then the colony will switch back to vegetative growth until the outer layer has been partially or mostly colonized and then just increase FAE and give it the initial misting to create the 'micro droplets' surface conditions. Don't mist the cakes unless it's necessary, like needing to replace the surface conditions if a considerable amount of droplets have evaporated off. Sometimes you'll need to mist lightly once a day or usually 2-3 times a week. The less you mist during fruiting the more tuned in is your setup, misting is solely for 'repairing' fruiting conditions when it's further from optimal. If you can get the micro climate to stay on the cakes for days without misting and without too much of the droplets evaporating off then you're almost guaranteed to see fruits within days :thumbup:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #27092728 - 12/16/20 06:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Today I birthed 6 brf pucks with ATL#7

But i have a question. Does the lid have to be flush with the rest of the tub (exept the openings obviously)?

My tote is a piece of crap and the lid is kind of curve so it already leaves spaces.

I kind of feel that when i put the lid like you instruct im leaving WAY too much space


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27110727 - 12/27/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I'm reading through this thread and have a few questions:


Does this need heating source? What temperature should the inside be at?

What kind of lighting do you need?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: BondVillain]
    #27110818 - 12/27/20 02:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

No heating source. Normal colonization/fruiting tempersture range is fine 15 to 28c probably, some have even fruited much lower than that.

The same kind of lighting that is recomended for any other tub. Probanly something like a 10W LED 6500k or 25w of the tube/spiral ones


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27111726 - 12/28/20 06:22 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Having read through the whole thread I think I need to stop misting for a few days. Whenever I mist the droplets are gone from the surface within about an hour but my cakes look like the pictures that have been described as wet in this thread so I'm a bit confused. I think that all the talk about "glistening with moisture" from looking at other methods has clouded my judgement.

If I leave the lid about as crooked as in the picture you posted Some Dude (Mateah?), then the conditions should be similar to yours; but in case they're not, do you have any advice for determining when the cakes *really* need to be misted?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: PurpleRain]
    #27111782 - 12/28/20 07:50 AM (3 years, 30 days ago)

I was expecting som ATL fruits but that mislabeled syringe betrayed me. Either way great tek!



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27112811 - 12/28/20 05:38 PM (3 years, 30 days ago)

Edit: my question was answered above already.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sankhara]
    #27142776 - 01/11/21 09:51 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

Looking good! What size tub are you using?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Malldee]
    #27143357 - 01/12/21 08:39 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

In the first post of this thread you suggested lid upside down and rotated to allow a couple of inches FAE but then I see you suggesting leave it closed until the verm layer is partly colonised. That is the right way to do it yeah? you may want to edit the main write up to include that.

Thanks for the super easy awesome tek.


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