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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone] 1
#26964375 - 10/01/20 05:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Phony Phone said: more questions if u got the time.
I got time?

Lemme just say that you're home man... I mean... Like.... Idk how to say... Like... Let's just adress your inquiry 
So... In this case I'd say please post a pic of your cakes and we'll see how far and long the surface condition are and then we'll have a go at'em  (I hope I make sense)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26965156 - 10/02/20 01:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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cool thanks
here is the myc just right after being misted in the WT. It had to be misted because it was found with no micro droplets on it (It was 24h after its last misting session)

The one above is the 1 cake which looks slightly better than the following cake in the next 2 pics. Both are in the WT. as you can see, the cake below is getting hold of the verm layer however the myc looks wispy and cotton like, weak
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Compare it to a cake in the SGFC where the myc looks strong, white and snowy

Is it low fae? Or somth else?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26965413 - 10/02/20 07:52 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also the openings for fae average at 4.8 sq. inches in a place with an average RH at 60%. Should this be modified?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26967511 - 10/03/20 12:17 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also what is your ambient Rh in the room and how much do you crack the lid depending on it? How many days in are you getting pins with your WT?
Things are still looking a bit stale
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26968793 - 10/04/20 09:30 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't divide myc into 'strong/weak' just 'healthy/unhealthy'. Unhealthy myc would be one that is too dry or too saturated.
The micro climate almost looks perfect in your pics if it wasn't for that very dark and soaket vermiculite, I think you're overmisting a bit. This is further confirmed by the pools of water you have collecting on top of the foil. It's clear that the droplets on the foil don't have time to evaporate off before getting sprayed again and that's not the way to go. The way your cakes look for now I'd just stop misting all together for a couple of days and just observe to see what's happening on the surface of the cakes and the foil. I don't think you're at all too far away from reaching optimal fruiting conditions just try to ease off on the misting a bit more and I'm sure you're see pins in no time 
My RH has lately been 40-75% cause we're entering autumn and there are rains coming and even on the days when there isn't rains the streets stay wet because of the relatively high humidity in the air that slows the evaporation down, much like the climate inside your HC/WT.
In my experience when you have that light color on the verm layer and myc is grabbing it and you're getting the micro droplets is when the conditions are very close to optimal. Remember the droplets are mostly supposed to manifest by the climate itself and not need to rely on you spraying droplets on it. It's fine to give it a list from high above when it starts to look dry but as soon as you have the climate worked out you'll notice how the micro droplets are evaporating off and also collecting again all over the tub and not just on the cakes surfaces. So far everything looks pretty good. Might we get an update pic on the cskes?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26970220 - 10/05/20 07:38 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Alrigte dood. The openings have been made smaller and the cakes have been left to dry up a bit. When they lighten up in color they will be lightly misted to create the microdroplets again. Phony phone will upload pics later on as there doesnt seem to be much progress looks wise. The mated mycelium has not expanded in size and area which tells me the cake humidity is a-ok. I wanna ask, how long do ur fruits take to appear as pins in ur WT? Its nearing 5 days now for the dudes above and no fruits in sight.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26970628 - 10/05/20 01:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imo there isn't really any lag time between full colonization and fruit formation. From all I've experienced after a substrate is fully colonized it will instantaneously go into fruit production given the conditions are right. I don't really believe all that much in 'colsolidation time' anymore simply because I've seen plenty of cakes start to fruit within days after full colonization after being placed inside HC. So my answer to your question is basically that the climate you're able to provide will be the deciding factor in how many days it will take for fruits to start forming. Whenever you see fully colonized substrates in fruiting conditions that haven't started fruiting for weeks in a row you can bet that it's because of sub par conditions and nothing else. Hope that helps
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26972608 - 10/06/20 05:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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They have arrived! The surface conditions are dampy but cant see droplets. Should they be given a generous misting? Would not like them to become aborts so its kinda scary. also how do you mist the sides? the spray of the bottle never seems to get the sides that well.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26972631 - 10/06/20 05:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just wanted to say Hi! I have nothing to add.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26973619 - 10/07/20 10:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Phony Phone said: They have arrived!
Arrived? I thought the journey was the destination  Congrats on managing to hold off on the misting for a day or two As always a picture will tell more than a thousand words and now I'm curious to see what kind of conditions you were able to create so far
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26973694 - 10/07/20 11:59 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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heres a quick snap of the surface of the cake
 they absorb the droplets fast fwiw
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26973716 - 10/07/20 12:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26973766 - 10/07/20 12:42 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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And since you have tiny developing pins already after 7days of fruiting this means that fruit production started merely 2-3 days of cakes going inside the Water Tub, thus further proving my point that as soon as conditions are right you will get immediate fruit production caude that's how this organism works 
Well done man
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26977134 - 10/09/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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the WT looks like a beast compared to the SGFC. More even pinsets in the WT and faster growth. wow it might end up looking like the sgfc runs will have to be moved in the tub too as their rate is kinda slacking. so what are the advantages of an SGFC since the WT/HC works so well? why do people still use it? not trying to downplay it just wondering.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Phony Phone]
#26977264 - 10/09/20 04:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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For me personally SGFC is a double edged power totem. It will forever be a symbol of human ingenuity and resourcefulness. It stands for unmeasurably well meaning intention based design deeply rooted in further priceless contributions of knowledge to all the world's active mushroom cultivators. It is the doorstep that takes you to Narnia I can only praise the 6 sided melody of life.
But from a technical and practical point of view it has a strong force of inviting the cultivator to stay very closely involved in the progress of the entire fruiting period. Some will calm that a disadvantage some will call it an advantage, I will just call it beloved and respected grandfather of much cult
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#26980217 - 10/11/20 03:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mateah, how long after moving the freshly dunked and rolled cakes to the water tub does it normally take before the first pinset appears?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: tiptrippy]
#26980451 - 10/11/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am still very new to the hobby, but I think your humidity needs to be quite a bit higher than 70% for fruiting to be encouraged. Maybe all the extra holes in your SGFC are causing the issue?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: GrinchGrower]
#26980825 - 10/12/20 02:14 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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GrinchGrower said: I am still very new to the hobby, but I think your humidity needs to be quite a bit higher than 70% for fruiting to be encouraged. Maybe all the extra holes in your SGFC are causing the issue?
I completely agree with you about the humidity. The lid was off for a little while so I could make some adjustments which caused the low reading. When the lid is on properly it stays at 95-99%. Also it was originally a SGFC but the holes are blocked by the plastic drop cloth so the only FAE is allowed by the upside-down lid rotated slightly.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: tiptrippy]
#26982420 - 10/12/20 08:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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tiptrippy said: Mateah, how long after moving the freshly dunked and rolled cakes to the water tub does it normally take before the first pinset appears?
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Within a week normally if conditions are suitable. If everything looks dripping wet inside the tub then no reason to mist the substrates
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27016961 - 11/02/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Finally got my first cakes just about ready to fruit. Been reading up on the different methods and the Water Tub Tek looks like something that’s straight forward enough.
I’ve been using the tub in tub method to colonise as it gets very cold where I am and it’s worked a treat so far.
Now I’m going to have the same issue with the fruiting as I need to keep the tub warm due to the cold conditions.
Would using the fish tank heater in the bottom of the tub with the 4-5 inches of water cause any potential issues with the fruiting ??
I can then keep the temperature where I need it to be and create the correct environment.
Unsure if this would cause any contaminant issues.
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