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OfflineMartin1337
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28612133 - 01/06/24 06:59 PM (22 days, 3 hours ago)

that is indeed slow, mine are already visibly colonizing the coir after 24 hours, what's your humidity and temp? I am at 97% humidity and around 23 dC temp, gonna give them some light tomorrow for sure.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Martin1337]
    #28612904 - 01/07/24 11:12 AM (21 days, 11 hours ago)

Humidify, not sure. I’ve not opened the lid since Tuesday to turn on the hydrometer. it’s sealed with adhesive rubber draft excluder so literally zero air in. Must be fairly high I’d hope. Temp is around 21-22. I’m sure I’m doing lots of things wrong but the colonization speeds from the word go have been shockingly poor

I’m gonna finish with these lots next flush and have a go with a different spore provider. Any recommendations welcome!!!

Ps are there reproductive techniques that progressively weaken genetics? coz it feels like these last ones have undergone some evolutionary regression!!


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OfflineMartin1337
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28613217 - 01/07/24 04:37 PM (21 days, 5 hours ago)

I've read that mycelium needs gas exchange so maybe you're not doing it perfectly by sealing it so damn hard, how thick is your coir layer approx btw? Did you put a really thic or rather thin layer?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Martin1337]
    #28613276 - 01/07/24 05:27 PM (21 days, 5 hours ago)

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Boletus Incredulis said:
Ps are there reproductive techniques that progressively weaken genetics? coz it feels like these last ones have undergone some evolutionary regression!!




What 'reproductive techniques' did you use?  If you inoculated your cakes from contaminated spawn, it can easily cause extremely slow growth like your seeing.  IMO those tubs don't look like they have super high humidity in them but it could be from your cake being below FC/dried out when it was spawned as well.  Is your cake just PFtek or is it some bastardized AIO kit?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: PBJ710]
    #28613738 - 01/08/24 07:11 AM (20 days, 15 hours ago)

I meant reproductive techniques of producing spores for syringes by vendors. I don’t see or smell anything other than mushroom but yes there could be an invisible contamination, would certainly explain the speed. I dunked it for 24 hours before hand and coir is  prob 5 mm or something.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #28613743 - 01/08/24 07:17 AM (20 days, 15 hours ago)

I'm curious what everyone is using to set their racks on or cakes in general. I know mason jars have been suggested, but can anything else be used? Would plastic be a bad idea to sit in the water that long?  Would there be a greater risk of contaminating the water with certain materials? I plan on using a metal rack, just can't decide what to prop it up with.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: RainbowKittyAttack]
    #28613752 - 01/08/24 07:27 AM (20 days, 15 hours ago)

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RainbowKittyAttack said:
I'm curious what everyone is using to set their racks on or cakes in general. I know mason jars have been suggested, but can anything else be used? Would plastic be a bad idea to sit in the water that long?  Would there be a greater risk of contaminating the water with certain materials? I plan on using a metal rack, just can't decide what to prop it up with.




Plastic would be fine if its sterile to begin with, if you think about it most of these boxes/tubs are plastic. Although frequent cleaning may cause stress cracking over time (if cleaning with alcohol, solvents etc).

Some of the metal cookie racks are already propped up (with metal feet for airflow). With my first one I had a flat rack, I drilled a few small holes in the side and then used cable ties to hold it at the right level.

I was in a rush but it's a case of what works for you.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: RainbowKittyAttack]
    #28613789 - 01/08/24 08:04 AM (20 days, 14 hours ago)

Stainless folding and stackable cookie cooling racks. They’re a bit higher off the ground the stackable ones. Mine are like 7cm off ground.


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OfflineMartin1337
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Boletus Incredulis]
    #28613824 - 01/08/24 08:42 AM (20 days, 13 hours ago)

i tried using it too but it wouldn't fit in my tub by like 1cm lol thanfully i have the liapor, here's what they look like at 50 hour mark shot yesterday




also check out this post i found while browsing this thread:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28316740#28316740

suffice to say that i've been giving it some air exchange about 2 times a day and i have humidity controller from inkbird which is very precise and i can easily achieve 98%+ humidity even 1 hour after venting because there are 6 sides from which they get humidity and the bottom is most important of course..


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: 420Botanist]
    #28613898 - 01/08/24 09:48 AM (20 days, 12 hours ago)

Wow, lol. My brain must be fried after reading this whole thread in order to miss the obvious like that 😂 Well I did go to grab the tubs and racks but like the other person said, they don't fit in a way that's all that helpful. In the end I decided I may as well keep it simple and just use the mason jars like Mateja in OP/pics. Now, finally, I'm off to set these babies up in their new home!


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: RainbowKittyAttack]
    #28615689 - 01/09/24 08:15 PM (19 days, 2 hours ago)

Hey guys,

First time trying this tek and so far I think it’s going well but would like some advice

I dunked these for 24 hrs and coated in hydrated coir and then put them in the water tub. It’s been 4 days now and this is where they’re at. I haven’t misted at all yet and wondering if I should wait a few more days for more colonization or give them a nice misting now?

Thanks for all the help! :rockon:



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Cyc0751]
    #28615950 - 01/10/24 03:44 AM (18 days, 18 hours ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27071161#27071161

I'd refer back to what Mateja said at that link. Also, is that wood underneath the tub, or inside the tub?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Cyc0751]
    #28615968 - 01/10/24 04:23 AM (18 days, 18 hours ago)

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Cyc0751 said:
Hey guys,

First time trying this tek and so far I think it’s going well but would like some advice

I dunked these for 24 hrs and coated in hydrated coir and then put them in the water tub. It’s been 4 days now and this is where they’re at. I haven’t misted at all yet and wondering if I should wait a few more days for more colonization or give them a nice misting now?

Thanks for all the help! :rockon:






If you can post an image of one of the cakes closer, it almost looks like they are a bit dry but it might just be the image as the sides look pretty condensated. :mushroom2:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: RainbowKittyAttack]
    #28616612 - 01/10/24 04:42 PM (18 days, 5 hours ago)

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RainbowKittyAttack said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27071161#27071161

I'd refer back to what Mateja said at that link. Also, is that wood underneath the tub, or inside the tub?




It’s just the cabinet the tub is sitting on, no wood inside the tub

Thanks for the responses, that’s helpful info. I think I just need to give them a few more days to colonize the outside more and then mist and introduce more FAE.

Here are some hopefully clearer pics, tub is at 99% humidity and the walls and top have lots of condensation.





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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Cyc0751]
    #28616646 - 01/10/24 05:13 PM (18 days, 5 hours ago)

Quote:

Cyc0751 said:
Quote:

RainbowKittyAttack said:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27071161#27071161

I'd refer back to what Mateja said at that link. Also, is that wood underneath the tub, or inside the tub?




It’s just the cabinet the tub is sitting on, no wood inside the tub

Thanks for the responses, that’s helpful info. I think I just need to give them a few more days to colonize the outside more and then mist and introduce more FAE.

Here are some hopefully clearer pics, tub is at 99% humidity and the walls and top have lots of condensation.








Can we see the size of the tub?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28616746 - 01/10/24 06:46 PM (18 days, 3 hours ago)



It’s a 52 qt waterproof tub, currently has 8 cakes and I plan on doing 10-12 cakes on future runs


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Cyc0751]
    #28616869 - 01/10/24 08:31 PM (18 days, 1 hour ago)

I know the tek says "an inch" of water, but put a little more in and give your cakes a good mist.


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First time growing cakes? DON'T make a Shotgun Fruiting Chamber

The Shmuvbox. - The Old TC's Like it :shrug:

Afraid to Start Growing From Your Own Prints? Drop it Like a Tiger!
No Pouring. No Syringes. No Cutting. No flaming. No Contamination. No Bullshit.

"The best thing to do while your waiting is to start more stuff. I usually got so much happening that I have tossed projects simply because I didn't have time for them. -Pastywhite QFT

Pastywhite's Easy Agar Tek (PastyPlates)

Tiger Drop Video Demos By munchauzen

Van Gogh would’ve sold more than one painting if he’d put tigers in them.―Bill Watterson

EZEKIEL 23:20


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #28617013 - 01/10/24 11:07 PM (17 days, 23 hours ago)

I agree with tiger. Another inch or so of water can only help not hurt. Also my opinion is to not worry about the humidity level if your using a hydrometer, the humidity level isn't as important as the surface conditions of the cakes. This link is a pretty good one to check out. Surface Conditions


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WyoMX]
    #28617435 - 01/11/24 09:56 AM (17 days, 12 hours ago)

Appreciate the responses guys, thanks!

I added another inch of water to the tub and gave a gentle misting last night , still had water droplets on the fresh myc this morning :thumbup::mushroom2:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Cyc0751]
    #28619414 - 01/13/24 06:19 AM (15 days, 16 hours ago)

Is there an amount of coverage of the cakes by the new myc-growth that we're looking for before removing the lid to initiate fruiting conditions?

I put my cakes in 48 hours ago and they are maybe 20% covered in new growth... I feel like they might be ready?


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