Mateah said:

My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault

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Roger Clemency said:

Mushrooms know when you’re being finicky and tripping out on their growth. You’ve got to ignore them a little bit for optimum results.

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Sockadin said:

Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.

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Roger Clemency said:

Lsa- I admire your dedication but man you are like the poster child for over thinking and making adjustments quickly and often

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While I agree, and I also think it can be a flaw at times, it has really helped me with my first n00b grow. Also, thanks to continued overthinking and adjustments, and that leading me to this Water Tub Tek, those cakes that were stalled to the point of being dead in the water for around a month, now seem to be turning around now. Even that water tub I started on Monday that just passed now has a bunch of cakes with fresh pins. I won't lie. Since joining this forum, I have perused hundreds of threads and posts by n00bs just like me who were falling flat on their faces in their first grows. I didn't want to do that. I wanted my first grow to set a really positive tone for any future grows, so I studied, asked questions, made adjustments, and yes, I overthought the shit out of it. All in all, I'm both grateful for all the help I have received and happy I took the approach I did. Now I have probably about a year's worth of shrooms for personal use (maybe a little less) and seemingly more on the way. Hopefully a lot more.

So, here's to overthinking, at least when you're a n00b like me and have sooooooo much to learn!

Sockadin said:

Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design.

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LSA Woodrose said:

Please don't misrepresent my words to make yourself look good publicly and to be a condescending tool. By the way, I would have let your little misguided attempt at a bitchslap go if you didn't completely disregard EVERYTHING else I was saying and asking, only to hone in on a completely irrelevant point and completely make a straw man argument out of it, particularly when I wasn't even arguing with you or anyone else, and certainly wasn't insulting a man I admire like RogerRabbit, who may even be the most knowedgeable person ever grace this site. I really like your Tek, but sometimes you really act like a child, you know that?

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There you go again inserting wrongful assumptions about me and the post lol but that's only in your head I promise you I really like your enthusiasm but sometimes worry you take things a little too seriously but I enjoy reading your posts and I look forward for updates from you but remember you expressed an interesting opinion/reasoning on how effectively a "SGFC fruits multiple flushes" but how would you possibly know those facts when you haven't fruited multiple flushes inside a SGFC? See my point I was trying to make? Could I give opinions on how a Ferarri F 40 handles and drives when going faster than 200km/h if I've owned that car for a few weeks only and never driven it faster that 100km/h? Wouldnt that sound weird? This is the only thing I commented on, never did I assume you were dissing RR either and I never said that it's all in your head man.

Sockadin said:

Mateah said:

My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault

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Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.

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Where in Antarctica? In my apartment in Antarctica? Of course it would work, I'd like to hear your opinions on why you don't think it would work (I'm interested too see how you were reasoning and I don't have anything personal against you either just putting that out there


And I'm talking about all setups not just the HC, I reason the same about the SGFC as well, and for open fruiting as well or Shoeboxes... Why would the SGFC or other setups suddenly fail to work in your estimations? (honest question man, I'm always open to learn and I know from experience I misinterpret as well at times) but it's not the end of the world, we have different opinions so what? "I never neared anything from a man that agreed with me"-sort of thing and not trying to start a fight I promise you as well

Sockadin said:

Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design.

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What parts of this setup have 'hole in em' in your view? (see what I did?) honest question tho, looking to see if it can be improved!

Sockadin said:

It is easy when you start to get a grasp on the concept of hubris.

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Mateah said:

There you go again inserting wrongful assumptions about me and the post lol but that's only in your head I promise you

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Mateah said:

even if only a fifth of those fruits mature (70-100g/cake)

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I take that back

Roger Clemency said:

Duude those are brutal. That's the kind of picture you'd expect to see on a vendor website next to a "does well on cakes" mushroom strain.

Are those 1 pint like from a tupperware or something?

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and all my cakes are made from standard wide mouth 1/2 pint jars as per PF Tek.

tryptamine14 said:

Ha Clemency,

Most definitely Brutal - (love the characterization)
Those cakes are going Ape Shit!

I love the way these fungi work with us in spite of or relative to any impediments or boons we "bestow" in our attempt to "dial it in"!

Mateah, as an overthinker myself, I admire your work and appreciate every adjustment you've made.  Good work, man. Nice pics.  Epic flushes.

This ain't no hobby - it is a Way of Life.

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I have already fruited cakes inside HC's, that I didn't even mist once during the whole grow and I harvested multiple flushes with several cakes without ever attending to them except for when I'm harvesting and dunking the cakes. To me personally it seems so extreme on the verge to half insane to mist cakes 3-5 times a day which many growers do. Environment is obviously a bit off if you need to compensate for the environment and interfere every few hours during the day, to me at least it's self-explanatory environment is far from ideal if it constantly needs maintenence several times a day just to protect the substrates from serious damage. Until growers discover this for themselves they won't understand how hilariously simple it is to fruit cakes you literally don't have to do anything they're the most set and forget thing out there if you put them in an environment that mimics their natural one, high humidity and enough fresh air to develop and mature healthy. And cakes are so easy to study, inspect, observe and they react so quickly to changes in their environment its fascinating to observe.