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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28338112 - 05/28/23 10:06 AM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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No way that i can make layer 5-10 mm thick, sorry.
It falls of and that's impossible, something is wrong and what is that, i dunno
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: killreflection] 1
#28338206 - 05/28/23 11:33 AM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Make sure the coco coir is a bit hydrated, and pack it on. I’ll place the cake in the palm of my hand and with my other grab a pinch and each time just firmly press it, almost like making a snow ball. Just rolled twelve this morning, takes a little practice. Wet hands work pretty good as well. You got this, doesn’t have to be perfect.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Dirtnapz] 1
#28338303 - 05/28/23 01:57 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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The snowball thing threw me off because I've made a lot of snowballs in my life, and it was never a pinch at a time. I grab 2 big handfulls of snow and bring them together and start compressing it. If I add more it's a handful at a time. So that's how I tried to make my cakes the first time and it sucked. Kept falling off. The pinch at a time thing is the better description. Keep a bowl full of water next to you and before you grab anything, dip your fingers in the water. Then with your wet fingers grab a small pinch and press it on, rotate the cake in your other hand as you go. And I like to save the top for last now because otherwise the stuff from the sides add to it and make the top too thick. Just make it even. Don't worry about how many millimeters it is. Try to make all the cakes look the same. And don't be afraid to press hard if you have to. You're not gonna break it.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28338313 - 05/28/23 02:05 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Do you cover the bottom as well? Or only the top?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28338318 - 05/28/23 02:08 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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I didn’t pack anything on the bottom, just the top and sides and rested them on jar lids/Petri dishes and didn’t have any issues with bottom pinning.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28338325 - 05/28/23 02:13 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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I didn't pack on the bottom verm side, either. Some I had on dishes some just on the rack. If they pinned on the bottom I flipped it. Had a couple nice bottom flushes! One I had to turn on its side because it pinned on all sides and there was only 1 blank spot on the side I could rest it on. But yeah if you don't wanna have to deal with that lids or dishes underneath might be best.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28338327 - 05/28/23 02:16 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yeah, i made the mistake and rolled all sides.
Had to lay one cake on its side too.

Center left one.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 1
#28338333 - 05/28/23 02:23 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Hey as long as they grow, right? So, you're doing coir next?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28338336 - 05/28/23 02:25 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Yes, coir next time for sure. I even want to use it as a replacement for the verm in the cake.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28338343 - 05/28/23 02:33 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Oh good idea! Yeah it definitely performs better than verm in the FC. At first I was gonna do some of each but when the time came I had seen enough pics of other peoples' grows to realize that a comparison wasn't necessary. Coir wins, hands down.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28338363 - 05/28/23 02:58 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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To be honest I’ll bear palm the cake and with my other hand grab a big scoop of coir and literally make a snow ball. Now your snowball technique is no doubt more experienced then mine, Iv only lived in the snow for couple of years. But I squeeze it like it owes me money, firmly pressing it all together with both hands, Just keep rotating it, sideways. FIRM but gentle then go back and skim high spots with a finger and then “pinch” for the bald spots that didn’t stick that well and start pressing it together again. I just didn’t wanna sound all barbaric and stuff and give people the wrong idea.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Dirtnapz] 1
#28338365 - 05/28/23 03:02 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Another question while we are at it.
The original PF tek says that you only roll for the fist flush but not on subsequent ones.
Do you roll all flushes or only the first?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28338383 - 05/28/23 03:22 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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I wasn’t planning on rolling a second time, but the surface was pretty matted and bruised from the first flush and there was no way I was able to get those same surface conditions again, so I dunked and rolled for a better chance of a second flush, also ill be keeping the lid closed for a few days again. I honestly didn’t mist for 5-6 days before first harvest, so they were all pretty dry and definitely needed it.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28338446 - 05/28/23 04:29 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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I didn't re-roll. The coir did seem matted but most of them recovered their fluffiness and got new myc.
That being said, I've had mixed results on the 2nd flush. Some had nice ones like the first flush, some had only a few. I think that is due to me not being able to set ideal conditions for all cakes at once, because even with 2 tubs going, I had some on 1st flush, some newly dunked, and some on 2nd flush. I wish I had a nice flush like Dirtnapz where all my cakes would go at pretty much the same time. Would make it so much easier to control conditions.
The verdict is still out on my 2nd flush, but I would go with whatever Dirtnapz did because his results are just about picture perfect.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28338483 - 05/28/23 04:58 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Grazie tutti, thank you all
Yes, i was trying something similar with small bits and piches, but still didn't work. Gone crazy when that started falling off, better luck next time, i guess.
I put some layer of coco on the cake, it maybe fruits something. I'll be satisfied.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: killreflection] 2
#28338506 - 05/28/23 05:22 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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It does get easier with practice, like almost everything in this hobby. Just relax and take your time with it. And experiment with what works best for you. There's no rush to get the cake in the tub and they are more durable than you think. Good luck with your grow!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28338546 - 05/28/23 06:05 PM (7 months, 28 days ago) |
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Maybe it was beginners luck because I felt like I didn’t do anything special. My big tub that had 9 cakes was restricted FAE for 7 days. Other 3 cakes I started in the smaller tub about 8 days later and only went 24hrs restricted FAE, it finished 24-36hours after the first tub, and didn’t notice much difference in yield. So it’s safe to say 7 days was a bit excessive and could have harvested fruits daaaaays sooner.
The first three days I misted once or twice a day chasing “surface conditions” would open it quite frequently checking things out. Caused matting and questionable creamy look, couple blobs. After that I was literally scared to mist, completely ignored it for 5-6days, pins started coming in, didn’t open the lid or anything. Thought about bottom watering but I was on yahras thread and throwaway recommended a thread that pretty much said something along the lines of “leaving it the fuck alone” and thats pretty much it.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26878548#26878548
I let the first tub go a day late because I kinda wanted to harvest both tubs around the same time, turned out pretty badass for photos and got a handful of spore prints but definitely was a MESS! I have mixed feelings about it 😂 and understand why people harvest before the vail breaks and caps flatten out. Was a bit of a pain trying shove wide caps in 16oz jars.
As I was harvesting the first flush there was smaller clusters I felt bad picking, thought I would just let grow out within a couple days and harvest those as well. After a light /heavy mist the surface turned blue and looked pretty matted and was super dry still. Mushrooms veil broke at about an inch and was super small, some clusters even aborted.
Noticed a new member post about his cakes that looked similar to mine and Way was helping him out as usual, recommend dunking and re rolling the cakes with 2 day lid shut, to get those surface conditions back, which I got the idea from. I’ll try and look up these threads and edit this post.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28335941#28335941
Hope this helps, I still don’t know what I’m doing just what iv experienced and read so far.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Dirtnapz] 1
#28338933 - 05/29/23 12:52 AM (7 months, 27 days ago) |
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Great stuff, thanks. I think we all learn a lot from these first grows. I had cakes where I had restricted fae for a week and cakes that had fae the whole time, and I still had cakes from both groups coming in at different times, some early some late. I think it was my luck of the draw with my mss syringes. They all gave me fruits, though, so I can't complain! Well, except the ones that didn't make it to birth because of my f'd up verm layer. You definitely got some sweet pictures! They could go in grow books!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28340500 - 05/30/23 10:51 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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We definitely did. Trial and error! Think I’m going to go pick up couple more cases of 1/2 pints. My grain game seems to be failing pretty bad, could also be the random birdseed. Back to the drawing board!
I really appreciate that hysteria! Haven’t tried to get creative with photos in yearrrrrs. This sparked my interest in it again, win win.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28340537 - 05/30/23 11:36 AM (7 months, 26 days ago) |
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Do i need to wait EXACTLY 48 hours OR i need to wait till cakes become like it's shown in first three pictures? It is not clearly described
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