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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Dirtnapz]
#28318336 - 05/13/23 01:23 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Hysteria said: Mine looked similar to yours at 8 days and I introduced fae then, but I was forced to, because mushrooms were growing out of them. I say try it. It can't hurt and you can always go back to restricted if they stall.
Looking at your cakes, 8 days was not a bad idea. I was planning to go a full 10 but was advised to introduce FAE, I’ll definitely try it next batch.
You mean how dry they looked? Lmao, yeah.
But, yeah, yours can definitely go fae, you got nice growth on them.
Edited by Hysteria (05/13/23 01:24 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28318472 - 05/13/23 04:04 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Thanks man, Fae introduced. I’ve only cracked the lid a slight amount as I’ve got an oil heater in the room and the dry out too quick otherwise. Fingers crossed. My last attempt was less that successful. This is my first attempt at the water tub from start to finish so I’m a bit more hopeful.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse]
#28318791 - 05/13/23 10:04 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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So y’all are saying completely shut the lid for that long to see how the results are ?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Wizard_Shames]
#28318935 - 05/14/23 01:25 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I rolled the cakes in dry verm rather than moist coir. Am i supposed to mist the verm in order for new myc to grow?
On the one hand you don't want your cakes to dry out, on the other hand the tek says only start misting after new myc has grown, so i am a bit confused.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra]
#28318940 - 05/14/23 01:30 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Just give it a day or so to grab onto the verm. Otherwise you'll just spray the verm off the surface.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: cozmyc] 1
#28318946 - 05/14/23 01:34 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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They're in the tub now for 3 days and they grow new myc but very slowly.
I think i mist too much.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 1
#28318947 - 05/14/23 01:36 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Lookin good
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 1
#28318975 - 05/14/23 01:59 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yahra said: They're in the tub now for 3 days and they grow new myc but very slowly.
I think i mist too much.


I saw your post in the other thread too; good looks, looks good.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Wizard_Shames]
#28319141 - 05/14/23 06:43 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Just until you have new mycelium growth so the surface conditions can be maintained without lots of misting.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28319143 - 05/14/23 06:46 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Hysteria said: Mine looked similar to yours at 8 days and I introduced fae then, but I was forced to, because mushrooms were growing out of them. I say try it. It can't hurt and you can always go back to restricted if they stall.
How long did it take for you to see new pins after fae was introduced? Not the ones already there. Just curious.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse] 2
#28319247 - 05/14/23 08:43 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I’m just a frog on the log a leaf in the wind but I think the coir gets better results but who am I
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 2
#28319253 - 05/14/23 08:48 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Yahra said: They're in the tub now for 3 days and they grow new myc but very slowly.
I think i mist too much.


Verm being a little dark it’s moist set up looks like a god damn textbook wow ! Lol nah if you go back to OP post do you see the difference in the cakes ? I’m thinking coir is the way to go either way OP did amazing I’m going coir next time and I think the lid needs to stay shut longer or until more mycelium to grow or surface conditions are met as stated in the first post by OP now did I do that? Nope 👎 did 48 hours but now I know your cakes are fine
Just like everything else a decade ago RR we fanned the fc 2-3 times a day years went by and realized there is no need to fan as the holes do it for you if made correctly
If it’s about surface conditions and new mycelium growth then my opinion is the FAE wasn’t ready idk man I got some spores on the way I’m knocking up 24 more so I’m going to see
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse] 2
#28319377 - 05/14/23 10:26 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Hysteria said: Mine looked similar to yours at 8 days and I introduced fae then, but I was forced to, because mushrooms were growing out of them. I say try it. It can't hurt and you can always go back to restricted if they stall.
How long did it take for you to see new pins after fae was introduced? Not the ones already there. Just curious.
I think I'm a bad example because my grow has been so fucked lol. This is 6 days in and there are the first fruits that were the baby pins I left on the cakes and some new ones that were probably ready right behind them at birth:

This is 10 days in, but this one flushing is actually 12. I started it 2 days before the others in a shoebox water tub because I dropped it and it fell out of the jar, then when I tubbed the others I moved that one in with them. What I didn't see is that the one to the right of it was developing pins under the cake, where the dry verm layer was:

Then I saw the one to the right leaning and I flipped it over and saw pins. This is 11 days in:

So, in my case, I would estimate things started happening 2-3 days after fae. But watch those bottoms of your cakes! It wasn't a bad thing in my case to have a bottom flush because after I flipped it over it gave me this:

Incidentally, the premie that I started in a shoebox gave me my favorite flush so far:
Edited by Hysteria (05/14/23 10:31 AM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 5
#28319421 - 05/14/23 11:14 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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I think a big thing that’s being possibly overlooked is that mateja is probably not using ms syringes bought from a vendor. While pf is seemingly resistant to bacteria, it’s still in the cake if it’s there and if you choke out your tubs for any period of time, that’s creating a favorable environment for that bacteria to reproduce and give your cake undesirable results.
I made a lil two cake water tub/bag… tons of holes poked in the bag from day one. Heavy ms made from swab —> SS. Cakes killed it. Lots of FAE.

If you want to choke your stuff out because you think it helps and you have clean cultures, have at it but these organisms didn’t evolve to have that done to them.. they grow outside. You think Mother Nature is like, “hey, let’s not have any wind hit those cow pies down there because they’re not ready fruit yet”
When it’s a battle between anaerobic organisms and aerobic organisms and you want the aerobic one to win, give it air.
Also, if anyone has ever made cakes and completely taped up the inoculation holes, what happens? The cakes stall. If myc grew better in high co2, wouldn’t the cakes colonize faster with taped up holes?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster]
#28319437 - 05/14/23 11:26 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Thank you fahtster that is a really good point. I probably just got lucky. Nice cakes! I was just wondering yesterday if you had given water tub tek a whirl with your PE cakes, and I hijacked someone's thread (since deleted) to ask you to comment on my PE water tub cakes:
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28319457 - 05/14/23 11:48 AM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Looks like they’re doing PE things. How long have they been fruiting? The thing about PE cakes is that since they take so long to pin, they can dry out too much in that time. Do they still feel heavy like a baseball?
Bottom watering can help in situations where the cakes have dried out too much but are mid fruiting. Probably wouldn’t want to dunk a cake with as pins as yours
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster] 1
#28319482 - 05/14/23 12:08 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Thanks for clearing that up fahtster, never crossed my mind and makes perfect sense, definitely some reinsurance.
My experience with this, first tub that had 9 cakes was gasket sealed up for 7 days all from MMS, had a slight smell that was definitely not present coming out of the jars before the dunk, actually smelt fucking amazing and I’ll always remember that first experience busting open those jars after 5 weeks of colonization. Possibly could have been after the 24hr dunk but honestly smelt more coir then anything in that process. (Kinda thought to myself, instead of another silly question on the forums, I’ll be patient and wait it out) the smell is not as bad but still faintly present, been 2 days of FAE so didn’t expect much to change.
After reading this I have a second tub that I started little over 24 hours with 3 cakes in it, I opened it immediately after reading your comment and introduced FAE. (Finally all clicked) Only thing I smell is damp coir and fresh mycelium and still getting 10-15% new mycelium growth! Appreciate it

Ps: thanks smelly hobbit for advising me to introduce FAE on my first tub after 7 days, just to end up doing the same thing on my second tub 😭
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster]
#28319485 - 05/14/23 12:09 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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15 days fruiting. They still have some weight but not as much as the beginning. 2 of them similar to baseball, 1 a little lighter. The one with the most pins is pretty heavy.
Yeah I've been having to mist these more often than the others since fae for sure. Got one here and another not pictured sitting in dishes that I can bottom water. The other 2 are out of luck, hopefully they fruit something.
Edited by Hysteria (05/14/23 12:12 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster]
#28319498 - 05/14/23 12:24 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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Ok screw it I just put the other 2 in dishes so I can bottom water. Is it ok to leave them tilted like this? I was afraid to let the pins at the bottom sit under water.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28319519 - 05/14/23 12:47 PM (8 months, 11 days ago) |
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These are all photos from my first water tub everything went perfect having been using a SGFC since 09 as the mushrooms got older then I could tell more of what was going on it and how I needed to place my lid bc I seen fuzzy feet the whole water droplet on the new growth really didn’t happen with mine therefore all these pics are from my first water tub run me personally I’m going to use coir this time along with instead of the 48 hours I’m going to watch the cakes and run a little longer with the closed lid I got hit with a bacterial thing I think of when I inoculated the jars most would put 1 flush and develop a silver off white mold so sad but here’s a few pic and the ones in my sig are water tub
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Edited by Wizard_Shames (05/14/23 12:50 PM)
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