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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse]
#28311720 - 05/08/23 05:23 PM (8 months, 17 days ago) |
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Mine are slow, too. Some got mushies already some haven't started. Mine looked about like that at 5 days. Just keep the lid on until there is enough myc and be patient. 48 hrs worked for Mateja but a lot of people have to wait a lot longer. It will come, though.
Just keep it closed until they look like the ones in his post when he started FAE. The condition is more important than the time.
Edited by Hysteria (05/08/23 05:26 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28312242 - 05/09/23 06:13 AM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks for the reassurance.
Yeah, I’ll keep the lid on until I get the required surface conditions. Hell, the cakes that I have fruiting now are over 4 week since birth. The mycelium is definitely growing, albeit slowly.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse] 2
#28313082 - 05/09/23 05:58 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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Update: first few pins appeared 24 hrs after flipping lid & introducing FAE 4 days ago, but most of the energy seems to be going into these blobs(?) which are still growing. Noticed the condensation on the top of the tub was starting to shrink when I had the lid offset like Mateja's photo, so adjusted it back flush since this tub with the lid flipped has 2 gaps a little larger than a cigarette above the handles (pic below). This keeps condensation on the top. If I offset the lid even just a mm or so, the condensation on the top starts drying up slowly so I alternate before it gets too dry then at night offset it again. Kind of concerned about the blobs, but probably the culture since it's only on the outer 4 cakes (Golden Teacher MSS received early Jan. so 3 months old when inoculated on 3/29). The middle cake is B+ MSS from a different retailer and received mid-March only a couple weeks before inoculation.) I will do some research on blobs and what causes those, my understanding is they're not harmful just kinda bummed those GT cakes seem to be putting more energy into them than the pins. Trying to dial in the right amount of FAE. Surface conditions seem to be good - maintaining the droplets on the myc and only been misting once every 24-36 hours.


Edited by Zukrya (05/09/23 06:01 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Zukrya] 1
#28313240 - 05/09/23 07:09 PM (8 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have the same style lid and I've also been alternating between straight and skewed, but not on a schedule. First time left it skewed too long it dried out the sides of the tub, since then been going back and forth based on looks. But I gotta say, it's half looks and half feeling/guessing at this point. I have so many at different stages, including ones that sprouted a few shrooms early that I left in because it wasn't a full flush and they are still heavy, it's been a challenge trying to keep them all happy. I got another in a shoebox water tub by itself because it wasn't ready with the others. Another 3 that are still in jars that will probably get birthed tomorrow... I have another tub ready that I still need to put water in but I think I will do that by this weekend and then divide them up by progress as best I can. Incidentally, I have found the closed shoebox is good for helping stragglers catch up in the beginning, so I might start the 3 new ones in those. Maybe even leave a couple the whole way through.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28313345 - 05/09/23 08:20 PM (8 months, 15 days ago) |
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Nice, that's reassuring that you also have to adjust the lid with the handle gaps, and thanks for the shoebox tip for stragglers. Mateja's OP uses a tub without handles so it must sit pretty flat on there. Just trying to mimic that amount of opening and replicate with the different style tub. Not really on a set lid adjustment schedule but it tends to dry out more during the day when the heat gets up into the mid-70s. Mostly adjust based on looks too when the condensation on the lid gets down to a circle >50% of lid surface area.
After looking into blobs, mine are probably caused by not letting the cakes consolidate and using an MSS that had been sitting in the fridge for a few months. Lots of posts mentioned that blobs go away after the 1st flush. Hoping that will be the case but I'm happy with the 5-6 fat little pins on the GT. Skewed the lid and opened the window in the room this afternoon since it was nice outside and my B+ middle cake has 4/5 tiny pins poking up and no noticeable blobbing. Next batch of cakes will be sure to let consolidate.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Zukrya] 1
#28316324 - 05/11/23 07:59 PM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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I don’t know if anyone can concur but from the pictures I’ve seen and from OPs post I think better results come from using the coir instead of verm I never used it but the verm just isn’t AS good maybe someone has had the same response? Im going coir next time
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Wizard_Shames] 1
#28316672 - 05/12/23 02:34 AM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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all my good results when using verm are IF you don't mist for like 24 hours after you cover with it. lets the mycelium colonize to it.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Ziran]
#28316685 - 05/12/23 02:57 AM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Really okay thank you sir
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Ziran] 1
#28316694 - 05/12/23 03:25 AM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Dang. Wish i read that yesterday. Misted too early.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra]
#28316740 - 05/12/23 05:00 AM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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Been 8 days in the tub with no fae. Not as much myc growth as I’d like but do you think I should crack the lid and introduce fae?

I’m thinking it’s probably been long enough, curious on other thoughts.
Thanks legends!!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Anonymous]
#28316789 - 05/12/23 06:03 AM (8 months, 13 days ago) |
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chlorine dioxide solution therefore sodium chlorite + hydrochloric acid used to cure the body and disinfect drinking water, in the food industry and also for disinfection of level 3 and 4 bio combat laboratories (Anthraxx etc)
It is harmless to the body and brings more oxygen into the cells. ozone therapy on the other hand is radical and destroys good cells, but CDS does not do that. This is due to the redox potential... Well, another topic.
Wouldn't it make sense to add some CDS to the water from the water tub as protection against spores? It would be similar to taking some hydrogen peroxide and pouring it in.
Would that prevent the fungus growth because the water, which also goes into the air, kills the cubis?
This should be tried otherwise, because if it works, no spore or mold would have a chance more
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: BirkenSaft]
#28318053 - 05/13/23 07:12 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Hello everyone!
My first post after lurking for quite some time. First, thank you to everyone in the community for sharing their knowledge and time. I would like to preface this with I am still quite new and I feel like I am drinking from a fire hydrant with respect to all the information on this site. Mycology is so fascinating to the point I wish I would've found it sooner. I'm like a hobbit and enjoy growing anything 
Question:
- Is it possible to utilize this for (failed)bulk? For example I have a bulk dub tub that is being quite sluggishd despite Humidity/Temp/FAE all being within accepted standard. S2B on May 1st with JMF. It seems to have stalled and the mycelium is starting to dry? I was considering taking it out and rolling it in Coir and dropping it into the water tub I have created and just leave it for a few days?

Thank you!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse]
#28318087 - 05/13/23 07:41 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
smallmouse said: Been 8 days in the tub with no fae. Not as much myc growth as I’d like but do you think I should crack the lid and introduce fae?
I’m thinking it’s probably been long enough, curious on other thoughts.
Thanks legends!!
Yes, introduce FAE.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Enceladus]
#28318212 - 05/13/23 10:35 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
Enceladus said: Hello everyone!
My first post after lurking for quite some time. First, thank you to everyone in the community for sharing their knowledge and time. I would like to preface this with I am still quite new and I feel like I am drinking from a fire hydrant with respect to all the information on this site. Mycology is so fascinating to the point I wish I would've found it sooner. I'm like a hobbit and enjoy growing anything 
Question:
- Is it possible to utilize this for (failed)bulk? For example I have a bulk dub tub that is being quite sluggishd despite Humidity/Temp/FAE all being within accepted standard. S2B on May 1st with JMF. It seems to have stalled and the mycelium is starting to dry? I was considering taking it out and rolling it in Coir and dropping it into the water tub I have created and just leave it for a few days?

Thank you!
Yo you might get a better response on the ask quick questions thread or make your own post in the forum is it rly on the modern age new era on a watertub
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Wizard_Shames]
#28318242 - 05/13/23 11:17 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I have pondered the 48 hours lid latched thing in this tek and I think it may be about getting the cakes nice and moist before introducing fae.... The lid in the pics seems not to have a gasket so there's likely enough fae in there for that time period anyway... my attempt at bro-science analysis on this tek. What say you Mateja??
8 days is probably overkill.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Wizard_Shames] 1
#28318251 - 05/13/23 11:21 AM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I have pondered the 48 hours lid latched thing and I think it may be about getting the cakes nice and moist before introducing fae.... The lid seems not to have a gasket so there's liekly enough fae in there for that time perios anyway... my attempt at bro-science on this tek. What say you Mateja??
8 days is probably overkill.
EDIT: From Mateja's tek description:
"Place the lid back on fully to restrict FAE as much as possible and within hours the fully saturated environment will already have triggered regeneration in all colonies. For as long as >99% humidity is maintained the colony will keep regenerating new myc from all over the surface regardless of whether it has a coir layer to grab on to or not. Here are a few pics to show the transformation after ~48h in a closed Water Tub:
At this point the cakes are ready to fruit so now "
Edited by myc_ousin_vinny (05/13/23 11:21 AM)
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Quote:
myc_ousin_vinny said: I have pondered the 48 hours lid latched thing in this tek and I think it may be about getting the cakes nice and moist before introducing fae.... The lid in the pics seems not to have a gasket so there's likely enough fae in there for that time period anyway... my attempt at bro-science analysis on this tek. What say you Mateja??
8 days is probably overkill.
Don’t have much experience on this at all, I just finished 7 days with no FAE in a sealed lid tub. Still not as colonized as mateja’s examples, it was pretty easy first attempt at surface conditions I’d say? Idk, I’d imagine it would be pretty difficult as a noob to visualize surface conditions on just coir alone? I might be over thinking it.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse] 1
#28318298 - 05/13/23 12:35 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Mine looked similar to yours at 8 days and I introduced fae then, but I was forced to, because mushrooms were growing out of them. I say try it. It can't hurt and you can always go back to restricted if they stall.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28318303 - 05/13/23 12:46 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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I introduced FAE from the beginning since i heard that all this stuff about increasing CO2 levels is BS when it comes to Cubes.
Cakes grow new myc nevertheless.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28318316 - 05/13/23 12:59 PM (8 months, 12 days ago) |
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Hysteria said: Mine looked similar to yours at 8 days and I introduced fae then, but I was forced to, because mushrooms were growing out of them. I say try it. It can't hurt and you can always go back to restricted if they stall.
Looking at your cakes, 8 days was not a bad idea. I was planning to go a full 10 but was advised to introduce FAE, I’ll definitely try it next batch.
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Edited by Dirtnapz (05/13/23 01:10 PM)
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