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WhiteDemon
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Hello! What is better to put in the bottom of the tub, just water or wet coir? I can't decide/ clarify.
Thank you very much for your time .
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon]
#28296910 - 04/26/23 09:42 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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WhiteDemon said: Hello! What is better to put in the bottom of the tub, just water or wet coir? I can't decide/ clarify.
Thank you very much for your time . 
I think either would work fine but I always try to stick to the original tek, i.e. water. Why tempt fate? Mateja’s results speak for themselves.
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Ok! i ll use water inside the tub with my trays , thank you!
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Do you think combining this H.chamber with small holes like in pastywhite EZ, It may be okay in terms of increasing the FAE ?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon] 1
#28297168 - 04/27/23 04:34 AM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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WhiteDemon said: Do you think combining this H.chamber with small holes like in pastywhite EZ, It may be okay in terms of increasing the FAE ? 
Pick one or the other. I say just use the water tub as its intended. The water tub is so simple. It's literally a tub with just water and a rack. The gap from the lid will provide sufficient FAE. Just follow the tek exactly.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof]
#28298010 - 04/27/23 07:29 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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I just trying to understand the concepts and physics behind everything so I can mix methods depending on the circumstances.
What I have are trays, which go inside the tub, they don't need a rack. I usually use the unmodified or pasty tub with the trays inside. And I wanted to know if putting water in the bottom was going to help even more with the humidity, since without water it already fructifies well.
I also have a question after reading many pages of the post. If when you use very wet coir doesn't evaporate good, why does the water evaporate well if it's 100% wet?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon] 2
#28298015 - 04/27/23 07:39 PM (8 months, 28 days ago) |
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The tek is the tek for a reason. It works. If you want to go off script to learn what works for you then go for it. Try it and see what happens.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon] 1
#28298065 - 04/27/23 08:08 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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  Are there any obvious problems with my water tub here? My cakes were pinning in vitro. I birthed then 5 days ago, soaked them overnight and coated them with coir. Am i just lacking patience? I am getting some fruits from some uncle bens bags that noced up and put in CVG probably prematurely but my cake game seems to be off.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: skankhunt] 2
#28298088 - 04/27/23 08:27 PM (8 months, 27 days ago) |
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skankhunt said:
  Are there any obvious problems with my water tub here? My cakes were pinning in vitro. I birthed then 5 days ago, soaked them overnight and coated them with coir. Am i just lacking patience? I am getting some fruits from some uncle bens bags that noced up and put in CVG probably prematurely but my cake game seems to be off.
I bet you just need to give them time to colonize the coir. My guess is that you’re fine and they are just slow pokes.
Also, fuck Uncle Ben’s for real & welcome to the shroomery!
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Thanks for the quick reply. Gotchu on the uncle bens Ive moved on. I have a 50# bag of oats to play with now. I've played with agar successfully with spores and myc transfer. I'm using a SAB and learning from my failures. I noticed some pins on my cakes when I got home from work. I think its going to be fine. I have some oats in bags, sterilized ready to noc. I have some PE cakes that are close to ready and some PE jars of oats that are chugging along nicely. This is a lot more intellectually stimulating than growing weed imho. can't really adequately thank all of the contributors on this site but thanks I owe many beers and splifs.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: skankhunt] 1
#28299295 - 04/28/23 08:06 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Hell yeah. Sounds like you’re in deep now! Cheers and let us know how it’s looking in a week or so for sure.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: skankhunt] 1
#28299312 - 04/28/23 08:23 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Great stuff and so much better than growing green right? Completely differently game and I love science so it’s perfect for me. Anyway, yea screw the UB… you’re in good hands here and moving well.
Glad you went with just water in your tubs… same here. And the above including myc_ousin_ vinny know their stuff. Let those bad boys sit and take up some of that coir. You’ll be posting crazy pics in no time.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mushalla] 1
#28300164 - 04/29/23 03:49 PM (8 months, 26 days ago) |
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Hell yeah. Sounds like you’re in deep now! Cheers and let us know how it’s looking in a week or so for sure.
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Great stuff and so much better than growing green right?
Trimming anyone? Hours on end? More on topic. Has anyone considered putting a few drops of dawn in the water? I'm not really ready to break protocol but I was wondering if breaking the surface tension would drive more airflow. Thoughts?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 1
#28301137 - 04/30/23 01:51 PM (8 months, 25 days ago) |
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Mateja said: Here's exactly how I do it: I put a fistful of perfectly hydrated coir on a plate and then put a bowl of watet next to the plate and right next to that is the bigger bowl where the newly hydrated cakes are floating and then I pull out a cake from the water shake the access water off for 0.5 sec and then just before I grab a pinch of coir I first dip my fingers in the fresh water bowl before I grab the coir so that I hydrate the coir as I go along.
This the perfect analogy really, imagine that the (in my case cutting board) where I'm coating the cakes one at a time, imagine the cutting board is the plate where the artist is mixing his colors, on the cutting board you're gonna at all times two three or several spots with different hydration level small heaps of coir, so that way you can always move and drag the different spots of coir back and forth adding and subtracting from and to so you're always able to instantly grab the desired amount of hydration that enables you to coat an entire pretty neatly in 15-30 seconds or whatever you feel works for you. I hope I'm transmitting some useful visuals for this.
Holy shit every time I re-read this thread I get more details out of it. This last one has been a revelation. Maybe the 3rd or 4th time I've read this exact part, only this time the word "pinch" jumped out at me.
No matter how hard I tried, it has been so frustrating to get an even layer of coir to stick. Now I realize it's because I was treating the coir like verm. I would put a cake on top of the coir and squeeze the coir into it from all sides then lift it up and try to squeeze the "snowball" until it decided it wanted to stick. This usually took many repetitions, and the coir would still be uneven and on the thick side.
This time, I took the cake, dipped my fingers in the bowl of water, and just grabbed a pinch of coir and stuck it to the side. It stuck! Then I just rotated and did the sides a pinch at a time all the way around, dipping my fingers in the water before every pinch, then did the top surface last and gave the whole thing a nice compression with both hands and...voila! A nice, even layer of coir that isn't too thick. So much easier that way!
Mateja, thank you so much for this TEK and the level of detail you keep adding to it! You are making it easier every time, even for noobs.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28303870 - 05/02/23 06:07 PM (8 months, 23 days ago) |
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One more question. Do they need bottom watering dishes or do they just pull moisture from the humidity and the sprays?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: flecks77]
#28303878 - 05/02/23 06:11 PM (8 months, 23 days ago) |
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flecks77 said: One more question. Do they need bottom watering dishes or do they just pull moisture from the humidity and the sprays?
They’re on a cookie rack right? If not, it’s not a big deal as long as they are out of the water. Whatever they’re sitting on should be damn near the size of the cake if it’s not directly on the rack.
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The are directly on a mesh cooling rack, a couple inches from the top of the water that's at the bottom of the tub.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon] 4
#28304288 - 05/03/23 12:03 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have first ever pins
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Nck] 1
#28304313 - 05/03/23 01:33 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Nck said: I have first ever pins

Sweet! That’s always exciting.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28305328 - 05/03/23 05:47 PM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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Is the coir supposed to be pasteurized? I haven't done the pf tek for what seems like 20 years but if I remember right we just rolled the wet cakes in unpasteurized vermiculite.
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