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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28290074 - 04/22/23 03:40 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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I've been using the Updated PF Tek Guide and see that they've now added Mateja's Water Tub as an option. Can someone clarify whether you skip rolling the cakes in vermiculite and go straight to coir after the soak? Is there an estimated ration of coir to water when preparing it?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: flecks77] 2
#28290082 - 04/22/23 03:44 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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You can roll either in verm or coir, both will work. But not at the same time, lol.
I'll use verm since i have plenty and don't know anything about coir.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: flecks77] 3
#28290228 - 04/22/23 04:37 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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flecks77 said: Can someone clarify whether you skip rolling the cakes in vermiculite and go straight to coir after the soak? Is there an estimated ration of coir to water when preparing it?
That's correct, I usually birth and soak my cakes as soon as the slowest jar appears to be 100% colonized (I work with live cultures and for growers that work with spore solution I recommend letting the fully colonized jars sit for a few extra days before proceeding to fruit and it's mostly for peace of mind tho)
Now, when I first started experimenting with coating freshly soaked cakes in a layer of hydrated coir I realized that the coir will not stick very effectively to the cakes if it isn't sufficiently hydrated. Everyone should definitely try at least a few different moisture levels for the coir before you find which recipe produces desired effects. The type that I find works the best is when the coir is clearly overly hydrated but not so much that it's dripping wet imagine perfectly hydrated coir that you'd use for mixing a bulk substrate now keep adding water until the coir is definitely way over hydrated for a bulk sub but still isn't dripping wet and can be manipulated fairly easily and will stick to the cake when slight pressure is applied from several sides at once, imagine you're making a snow ball and yet you're not really making a snow ball, but you're helping the cake hold everything in place from most sides all at once until it finally seems to stay in place.
Dont worry so much about the thickness of the coir layer I've found that lots of different thickness works just try to make it somewhat even for all the cakes.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 1
#28290239 - 04/22/23 04:42 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Holy shit! Hello and thank you!
What I was typing before the op dropped in with the knowledge: Yup, straight from dunk to coir. Coir at field capacity is good. Squeeze a handful and you should just have a few drops of water. Let them colonize for a few days then you can spray them if needed
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 4
#28290259 - 04/22/23 04:54 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Here's exactly how I do it: I put a fistful of perfectly hydrated coir on a plate and then put a bowl of watet next to the plate and right next to that is the bigger bowl where the newly hydrated cakes are floating and then I pull out a cake from the water shake the access water off for 0.5 sec and then just before I grab a pinch of coir I first dip my fingers in the fresh water bowl before I grab the coir so that I hydrate the coir as I go along.
This the perfect analogy really, imagine that the (in my case cutting board) where I'm coating the cakes one at a time, imagine the cutting board is the plate where the artist is mixing his colors, on the cutting board you're gonna at all times two three or several spots with different hydration level small heaps of coir, so that way you can always move and drag the different spots of coir back and forth adding and subtracting from and to so you're always able to instantly grab the desired amount of hydration that enables you to coat an entire pretty neatly in 15-30 seconds or whatever you feel works for you. I hope I'm transmitting some useful visuals for this.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 2
#28290267 - 04/22/23 04:57 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Thank you (and the others) for the quick replies!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 3
#28290269 - 04/22/23 04:57 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Mateja said: I'm happy to see growers are still finding this Tek as practical as it actually is...
I must send 5 noobs here from discord every week.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: cozmyc] 3
#28290289 - 04/22/23 05:10 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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cozmyc said: Yup, straight from dunk to coir.
Aah this reminded me of something that I should mention about this process. I always like to rinse the newly soaked cakes and then I let the cakes float in a new bowl of fresh water while I work with putting the coir layer on them.
I'm really trying to avoid dripping the overnight soak water onto the coir I'll be working with. Not that anything bad will result in going STRAIGHT-straight from dunk to coir, I've done that olently of time in the past and gotten away with beautiful results but I also know for a fact what happens to this water during a 24g dunk. Personally I like to exchange the water the cakes a soaking in at least two times during the 24h soak, once before I go to bed and once when I wake up and then later in the day or evening I start working with them.
Even tho cakes are very resilient and will even tolerate being dunked in COMPLETELY bacterial and moly water, I've literally fruited cakes with pennie sized thick patches of slime all over the cakes, I just scrape that off with my dirty fingernails, pinching and pulling the bacteria colonies off the edges of the cakes one at a time, always end up with similarly happy results.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 3
#28290298 - 04/22/23 05:17 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Mateja said: I'm happy to see growers are still finding this Tek as practical as it actually is...
I must send 5 noobs here from discord every week.
Well, you're doing them and everyone a solid, just keep sending the noobs this way (the gateway) before they know what hit em they'll be fiending after qt jars and shoeboxes. The point of no return, welcome to Shroomery
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#28290429 - 04/22/23 06:49 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Mateja said: Anyhow, what's really intriguing about these 'damaged' surface conditions is how easy these substrates are to repair quickly (usually within a week) so that they turn from looking dead to looking and performing as good as any good PF Cake (as long as the colony inside the fucked up blue Puck isn't clinically dead) (which it likely never is lol)...
Thank you so much. Really appreciate this, Mateja.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Vr4_psych]
#28290571 - 04/22/23 09:09 PM (9 months, 2 days ago) |
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Yeah Mateja, this is crazy easy. Thank you for coming up with this and sharing. So awesome.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 3
#28290867 - 04/23/23 05:41 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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I know being "alive" sounds somewhat fancy and formal from a certainty point of view but honestly I feel more and more grateful for each year
Also it seems like we have a brand new set of Sherrif's in town so congrats on the badge deputy police officer well deserved if I remember correctly :clapping:
Thank you and I'm glad to hear you're doing well.
We may have not interacted much but of course you're always one of the most noticeable contributors on here so your sudden absence was very clear. Glad you're back.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28290949 - 04/23/23 07:16 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Yeah Mateja, good to see you in the forum. Water tubs are de rigeur nowadays!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: JHOVA] 2
#28291026 - 04/23/23 08:08 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: SirPsycho]
#28294736 - 04/25/23 12:25 PM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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I just had a jumper and I will have to set in a wt tomorrow. For a single cake, do I need to heat the coir today or can I just break off a small piece and let it soak in room temp overnight?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 2
#28295153 - 04/25/23 06:28 PM (8 months, 30 days ago) |
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Hysteria said: I just had a jumper and I will have to set in a wt tomorrow. For a single cake, do I need to heat the coir today or can I just break off a small piece and let it soak in room temp overnight?
I think hot water from the tap is fine. Overnight should be sufficient.
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Ok thanks!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28296073 - 04/26/23 10:35 AM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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One of them was not looking ready but I'll give it a shot. Thx in advance Mateja.
How soon should I expect a pin?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Nck]
#28296854 - 04/26/23 08:59 PM (8 months, 29 days ago) |
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One of them was not looking ready but I'll give it a shot. Thx in advance Mateja.
How soon should I expect a pin?
Looks good! Surface moisture looks nice. Coir looks dark. Hard to say on the timeline but you might start seeing primordia soonβ¦. a week or so?
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