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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof] 1
#28251850 - 03/28/23 07:47 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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I did both and didn’t see a notable difference in performance. Although that might not mean much because they’re all multispore.
Ultimately use what you have. Verm and coir both work great.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28251858 - 03/28/23 07:52 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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I applied my coir a little thick I think. I let it stay latched for about 56 hours as opposed to 48 hours, timing issue. Once I unlatched it one took off. The others dried out so I misted some more when needed then boom they exploded in like a day. Also, 10oz cakes originally though.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof] 1
#28251862 - 03/28/23 07:53 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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My favorite in there is the donut shaped cake.
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myc_ousin_vinny said: If Mateja says coir then that’s what I’d use. Have you seen his gallery?
Yeah that's why I was asking because in his OP he said he used coir because he didn't have verm on hand at the time. But maybe that was a happy coincidence and it turned out for the best.
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27689057
Saw that before. Super impressive. I love the ones with the plants.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria]
#28251886 - 03/28/23 08:05 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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myc_ousin_vinny said: If Mateja says coir then that’s what I’d use. Have you seen his gallery?
Yeah that's why I was asking because in his OP he said he used coir because he didn't have verm on hand at the time. But maybe that was a happy coincidence and it turned out for the best.
Right on. I would be curious to see a side by side with coir vs verm.
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Lil 2 cake water tub/bag doing aight

These have a double ended casing of CV.. didn’t roll them in anything
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster]
#28252142 - 03/28/23 09:53 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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fahtster said: Lil 2 cake water tub/bag doing aight

These have a double ended casing of CV.. didn’t roll them in anything
Double ended meaning you put coir on bottom too? I did that was well after seeing I wasn't supposed to. Not sure the reasoning.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof] 1
#28252154 - 03/28/23 09:58 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Honestly, I bet there's a container out there, that would make this tek way easier. Something mass produced and easily available. Where you could put coir in the container, press it to the sides, make a hole in the middle, stick the cake in there, drop coir on top, put the lid on, and it should be compressing the coir, add a little more, compress the coir. Then flip it upside down, pull it out of the container, and move on to the next one.
The right container is probably made by ziplock, or maybe it's a pint sized wide mouth mason jar. I don't know what it is. But I think a method to make sticking the coir to the cakes easier, would improve this tek enough to matter.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Excess Taters]
#28252160 - 03/28/23 10:06 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Some people just bury the cakes in coir
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Smellyhobbit]
#28252166 - 03/28/23 10:08 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Isn't that called a shoebox done wrong? I mean, I've put the cake in coir, pressed down, moved it from the coir, and then all I had was a cake even though I was trying to keep the coir on there. I think an easy way to get the coir to stick to the cake would improve this tek, at least for those of us who just don't understand how to do it right.
I feel that with walls that are like... .5-2in away from the cake, and at least 1-2in for the top and bottom, a container could make affixing the coir to a cake pretty easy.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Excess Taters]
#28252170 - 03/28/23 10:10 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Yeah I’m not sure because I’ve never buried my cakes. I’ve just seen it suggested as a viable method. It’s definitely a little bit harder to pack coir onto a cake than it is to simply roll in verm. The cakes can take quite a squeeze, though. So a press would be pretty cool.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Excess Taters]
#28252230 - 03/28/23 10:44 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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My only "cakes" have been bacterial-pint to ziploc quarts.
I would "birth" the pint into another clean, empty pint jar (with some careful jar alignment and knee bouncing), then flip it from that 2nd pint jar back into the ziploc quart, so the original top was still at the top. Fill in some coir, tamp it down around the sides, keep going until there was a 1/4" or 1/2" of coir on top of the pint after compression.
Then I'd leave them a while to recover and colonize enough to hold the "cake" together. Then birth for the watertub when they started to pin... if I didn't lose them to trich first. Seemed like a better compromise than plain topfruiting, at the time.
I'm not really using pint jars now, and wouldn't do this method anymore with bacterial spawn because I think it's still too much disruption/too much coir to have a high success rate.
But I bring it up because maybe it could be a cleaner method for coating cakes in coir...?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget] 1
#28252378 - 03/29/23 01:45 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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If the tub looks humid on the sides and/or I can feel the humidity with my hand when I first reach in I figure it's humid enough. My house it CoLD, like 60 or less, so I have a cheap but safe ceramic heater in the closet to help it stay closer to 70. My first variety was Columbian rust. It took forever to pin, I would mist 2-3 times per day at most, honestly I think keeping the humidity high by keeping the tub closed is more important than checking all the time if the cakes are dry. Anyway, did get 5 flushes from that set of cakes, except for 1 that got mushy after 4. Also, I rolled in verm, not coir. I don't know how well coir holds moisture vs verm, but verm works fine in the water tub for me. On my 2nd variety (Chitwan?). I bought a variety pack of spores 😀 to try. Pins way faster and the shrooms grow huge fast so kind of fun. Harvested this mother today.
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let me get in on this thread now haha..take note that i was unsure of everything i was doing at the time and still am alot of times but had to harvest the side pin and just rehydrated and threw in here. its a cracked corn cake too btw that i for sure didnt have water tub plans for lol 
i dont know what the white blob is or if its something that can be harvested but i guess time will tell lol
just glad i got shoulders to stand on through-out this.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: nIceCube] 1
#28254030 - 03/30/23 02:51 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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Is the aluminium foil below the cakes still necessary?
It was useful in a SGFC to prevent the cake touching the perlite, but here there is no perlite?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 1
#28254250 - 03/30/23 08:05 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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The tek describes it perfectly. It's water, in a tub with cakes sitting out of the water.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26601054
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Getting a bit cheeky this morning, linking to the thread we're in. . .
Yahra you don't need the foil. The cakes just sit on a rack above the water.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Kinoko314]
#28254483 - 03/30/23 10:31 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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Thank you. Wasn't sure if the foil had another purpose other than to separate the cakes from the perlite because people still use it with a water tub.

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myc_ousin_vinny said: The tek describes it perfectly.
No. OP even uses foil in his first picture and then never again.
Contrary information confuses me.
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