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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster] 3
#28248000 - 03/26/23 05:04 PM (9 months, 29 days ago) |
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fahtster said: Couple cakes in a water tub/bag lookin good


Water tub should probably be rolled into the updated PF Tek thread. Itβs super solid and easy.
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fahtster said: Couple cakes in a water tub/bag lookin good


Water tub should probably be rolled into the updated PF Tek thread. Itβs super solid and easy.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hyebrid]
#28248993 - 03/27/23 09:30 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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How often do you guys mist your cakes in your water tub?
I have a small radiant oil heater and a humidifier to keep the grow space at 72-73 degrees with 70% humidity. My cakes dry out considerably faster than the sides of the water tub. I mist about 3x per day with a flairisol bottle. About one squirt per cake from about 12-18" above the sub. I'm having trouble creating that micro climate of ten thousand tiny water beads sitting on the cake. The water more so sits on the cake like a layer of water rather than droplets.
So a couple questions:
So how often do you mist and do you use a heater of any kind in the grow space? Should I continue misting the way I am, even though droplets don't like to form? Any further suggestions? I'm nearly two weeks into fruiting with APEs and I know they're a but slower. I just want to make sure I'm doing it right because things seem a bit wonky compared to what I read about.

Edit: I'm wondering if the basic idea is to keep humidity really high in the tub for fruiting (99% achieved for hours and hours on end) or if the cakes themselves really need those droplets directly on them to trigger pinning? If the 99% humidity works ill just stick with that instead of misting the cakes directly, regardless of how dry the coir looks.
Edited by ShroomNugget (03/27/23 09:44 AM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget]
#28249077 - 03/27/23 10:24 AM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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I haven't grown APE, but it may be a thirsty phenotype. Yeah, I would try the higher humidity idea, or a smaller tub/bag.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: cozmyc]
#28249310 - 03/27/23 01:40 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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That's the thing though, the tub is already sitting at 99% during fruiting as long as I spray the walls and top 2-3x a day. Between that and the sitting water, it's no problem. What's confusing is how the cakes look dry, still. So I'm wondering if I should continue to spray the cakes directly when I go to spray the side/top of the bin or if the 99% humidity is good enough? I don't want to over water.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget] 1
#28249375 - 03/27/23 02:18 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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ShroomNugget said: That's the thing though, the tub is already sitting at 99% during fruiting as long as I spray the walls and top 2-3x a day. Between that and the sitting water, it's no problem. What's confusing is how the cakes look dry, still. So I'm wondering if I should continue to spray the cakes directly when I go to spray the side/top of the bin or if the 99% humidity is good enough? I don't want to over water.
Humidity and substrate moisture are two different things.
Stop misting the side or top of the bin. Nothing grows there.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Way] 2
#28249401 - 03/27/23 02:36 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Mist the outside bottom of tub for best results
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Stipe-n Cap] 2
#28249409 - 03/27/23 02:40 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Mist the outside bottom of tub for best results 
Won't that start to peel my black paint I use to stop side pins?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Way]
#28249651 - 03/27/23 05:03 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Stipe-n Cap said: Mist the outside bottom of tub for best results 
Wait, wat? Must be sarcasm. 
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Way said:
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ShroomNugget said: That's the thing though, the tub is already sitting at 99% during fruiting as long as I spray the walls and top 2-3x a day. Between that and the sitting water, it's no problem. What's confusing is how the cakes look dry, still. So I'm wondering if I should continue to spray the cakes directly when I go to spray the side/top of the bin or if the 99% humidity is good enough? I don't want to over water.
Humidity and substrate moisture are two different things.
Stop misting the side or top of the bin. Nothing grows there.
Good to know but I'm still confused as all hell. Please elaborate so I can actually understand why I want less humidity? I got home from work and it seems I may have some knots/pins popping but not sure yet.
Edited by ShroomNugget (03/27/23 05:08 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget]
#28249661 - 03/27/23 05:07 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Was just joking
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#28249666 - 03/27/23 05:10 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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And some people on these forums wonder why us noobs ask 'dumb questions' lol. Unless it's VERY obvious, sarcasm is confusing through text. Need to add that /s!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget]
#28249671 - 03/27/23 05:17 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Sorry about that 
But yeah, mist the cakes, not the walls. Worry less about humidity. If you are having to mist often, reduce fresh air.
I couldn't tell you the humidity of any grow I've ever done.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Way]
#28249796 - 03/27/23 06:35 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Awesome, thanks man!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget]
#28249847 - 03/27/23 07:16 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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The hygrometer in my watertub is basically a novelty at this point. If I'm opening it here and there it will drop to 90%, otherwise it's stuck at 99%. Outside, it shows 14%. Really don't need to have it in there anymore
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: dowodenum]
#28250613 - 03/28/23 08:27 AM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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dowodenum said: The hygrometer in my watertub is basically a novelty at this point. If I'm opening it here and there it will drop to 90%, otherwise it's stuck at 99%. Outside, it shows 14%. Really don't need to have it in there anymore 
If you want one that is accurate and actually works, I highly recommend the Govee H5179 Therm/hydrometer. It's surprising accurate and gives you great data. Connects via wifi and provides you with temp, RH, Dew point, and VPD (whatever that is).

I also grabbed their 3 liter humidifier which can connect to said hydrometer and automatically kick on if humidity drops anywhere below 70%. I don't blast it directly into my water tub but keep it in the space to help deal with the oil radiator sapping moisture from the grow space, to even things out. I'm in fruiting conditions currently with APEs.
Edited by ShroomNugget (03/28/23 08:30 AM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: ShroomNugget]
#28251740 - 03/28/23 07:05 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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So what is the latest consensus on best roll medium for this TEK, coir or verm? I read further up that the op would've used verm had he had it, but the coir seems to work well. Has anyone done any compares?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 1
#28251760 - 03/28/23 07:15 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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I'm nearing the end of the my first run and used hydrated coir. When looking at pictures that used verm I think they come a little shiney at times making it hard to see micro water droplets.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof] 3
#28251785 - 03/28/23 07:24 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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If Mateja says coir then thatβs what Iβd use. Have you seen his gallery?
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That too....one of my favorite sayings is "just because you can, doesn't mean you should".
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof]
#28251847 - 03/28/23 07:46 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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NFLProof said: I'm nearing the end of the my first run and used hydrated coir. When looking at pictures that used verm I think they come a little shiney at times making it hard to see micro water droplets.

That's some nice pinning. Mine just started knotting today and I only hope I get that many pins, but I guess Im doing it right. These will be my first ever.

I stopped misting the tub last night and turned off the humidifier since the tub easily maintains 90%+. After lots of digging last night I finally got the answer that you've all neglected to mention, or may not know. The key is water evaporation from the cake/substrate to initialize pinning. That made it obvious I don't want my humidity at 99%+ all the time. However doing that for nearly a week really forced the myc to colonize ALL that coir and consolidate quickly. These are APEs which people say are slower and I inoculated back on 2/15.
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