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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27710842 - 03/27/22 05:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Just wanted to show a couple pics of the incredible myc growth after 50 hours in the closed water tub. I swear yesterday there was barely anything but now you can super see where the mycelium has grabbed onto the vermiculite layer,I cant wait to see how much it colonizes overnight!


Thanks so much for the awesome tek, Mateja!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Shiloh]
#27712516 - 03/29/22 07:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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72 hours in the water tub. started minimal fae. mllions of water pearls on fresh myc running over vermiculite. i like it a lot!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Shiloh]
#27712518 - 03/29/22 07:13 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Shiloh said: Just wanted to show a couple pics of the incredible myc growth after 50 hours in the closed water tub. I swear yesterday there was barely anything but now you can super see where the mycelium has grabbed onto the vermiculite layer,I cant wait to see how much it colonizes overnight!


Thanks so much for the awesome tek, Mateja!
nice!!!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27715234 - 03/31/22 10:24 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Cambodian Gold 5 days in.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: P.Nowhere]
#27716692 - 04/01/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I've switched to this as I was having trouble keeping humidity and FAE. Added an aquarium air pump with stones to ensure FAE keeps up as I was really lacking that before and didn't have the ability to fan often enough.
I have pins now.. do I need to keep misting or will the humidity and FAE be sufficient from here?
Temp is low 70s
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27717327 - 04/02/22 12:50 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Wether you should mist or not can only be decided by visual inspection so pics are needed if you want more than speculations and go easy on the electrical components, your subs will thank you
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: UFOAstro]
#27717463 - 04/02/22 04:05 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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UFOAstro said: For reference

Got a 2nd flush as well after re-dunk - 27g from 134g cake

Cake looking decidedly more weathered now...
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 1
#27717641 - 04/02/22 09:01 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Mateja said: Wether you should mist or not can only be decided by visual inspection so pics are needed if you want more than speculations and go easy on the electrical components, your subs will thank you
What's the goal? Keeping water droplets on the cakes at all times? Mine look dried out to my very inexperienced eyes.

What do you mean go easy on the electrical components? Sorry, a bit new.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Danx07]
#27717788 - 04/02/22 11:08 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Danx07 said: What's the goal? Keeping water droplets on the cakes at all times? Mine look dried out to my very inexperienced eyes.

Your cakes look anything but dried out to me considering the dark color of the verm layer and also the whole inside of the tub is dripping wet which is another indicator that the humidity levels inside shouldn't be causing cakes to dry out. I can't see very much myc through the outer layer which means there isn't a very big area on the cakes that can sustain water droplets, where there's verm and no myc the verm will naturally soak up all the water it comes into contact with thus negating droplet formation. Does that make sense? Also I have no clue about what the conditions have been inside during the fruiting conditions since you have had an aquarium air pump with stones inside running for unknown amount of time.
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What do you mean go easy on the electrical components? Sorry, a bit new.
Obviously I'm referring to the instructions on the first page in the OP, I can't promise you that you will achieve the same kind of environment inside your Water Tub if you don't follow the instructions carefully. I can only assure you I will probably check in here daily or so to help answer questions and to help interpret the looks of it all. The long skinny fruits are an indicator of a bit stale environment, could also explain the overly saturated tub. Maybe you have pics of the FAE openings and can give current update on what you're doing to it from day to day?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27717966 - 04/02/22 12:57 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I appreciate the help, I'm not thinking I'll be able to replicate those results on this grow, just trying to learn and improve.
On the next set I'll be following more carefully.
Anyway, FAE was a major problem for a bit, the tub they are in is in a closet with no natural airflow, and due to.. a lot of things, I wasn't able to open it up and fan regularly.
This is largely why I put the air pump in their, to fix this, maximize FAE and keep it from getting stale. That long thin guy and the fuzzys a the bottom of some of them are mostly from the period of time where there was not enough FAE.
The latest set of pins look better, to me (the ones on the right), however they seem to be stalled a bit. I might just be impatient.
Currently, I'm doing nothing daily other than checking on them, the lid is on upside down with small cracks to allow air from the pump out
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Danx07]
#27718092 - 04/02/22 02:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Danx07 said: the tub they are in is in a closet with no natural airflow, and due to.. a lot of things, I wasn't able to open it up and fan regularly.
I'm sure you had your reasons to place it in a closet with no airflow otherwise you probably wouldn't have done so since that's a recipe for lackluster performance which you probably knew. Which date did you place the cakes in the Water Tub?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27718269 - 04/02/22 04:14 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, I don't have another spot consistently unfortunately. Perhaps sometime I can resolve that, for now I'm left with forced airflow, or no airflow.
They went in on 3/24. 9 days now, at least the ones on the right (pins) the others were a bit longer but they had other issues.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Danx07]
#27718406 - 04/02/22 06:18 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hello mateja, thanks for the tek. I like this tek because I don’t have to waste money or time on perlite or drilling holes and it’s super simple. Quick question, I have something like 18 jars all at various stages of colonisation. I inspected one that fully colonised three days ago and found a pin. should I go ahead and birth it dunk it roll it now or give it a couple more days?
Thanks!
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That jar looks to be fully colonized. If my jars are a few days apart from full colonization I just let them sit until they're all finished, fruiting them at the same time will make creating the initial surface conditions much easier cause you'll be incubating them all at once, does that make sense? And welcome to the Mush Cult forum
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 1
#27718934 - 04/03/22 02:36 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the advice and yes that makes sense however I have already birthed one cake so I’ll pause that till I get at least six ready. It’s hard to contain the excitement at this stage and want to get fruits soon as I have been trying and failing different methods since December. These cakes come from a couple varieties of spore syringe they are gt, Ecuador, b+. Here’s one of the Ecuador jars that’s a bit slower.
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Does the coir need to be bucket tek'd, probably yeah right?
What exactly is its function anyway, to hold moisture better?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: polaritymind]
#27718978 - 04/03/22 04:18 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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polaritymind said: Does the coir need to be bucket tek'd, probably yeah right?
Technically No. But yes. Coir fibres seem to increase their water retention capacity when hydrated with hot water, compared to room temp soak. My coir (or 'peatless planting soil') as the reciet says, instructs me to use room temp water and the results are similar but not the same, but then again my (and probably your) coir isn't sold as 'mushroom substrate' anyway.
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What exactly is its function anyway, to hold moisture better?
Functions of the cake outer coir layer? To make it easier to create and maintain favorable surface conditions. Cakes and substrates can be fruited effectively without a top layer as well but it's much easier with one than without, for me at least.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
#27719529 - 04/03/22 02:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies  One more question though. Whats the benefit of this method over crumble & spawn to bulk, since weve already bucket tekd/ hydrated that much coir?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: polaritymind]
#27719601 - 04/03/22 03:21 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It's a very simple, fast and reliable way of fruiting small substrates IME, wether you're fruiting BRF cakes, colonized grain jars or even colonized petri dishes. It also teaches you how to create and manage surface conditions during the fruiting stage so that by the time you switch over to growing bulk substrates or whatever you have already learned how to fruit mushroom substrates cause it's the same approach for all methods.
To spawn cakes means adding extra steps that take weeks longer to fruit, require more energy to be spent by the colony into colonization of the substrate instead of fruiting and this in turn increases the risk of failure especially if the cakes have been made from spore solution (which they almost always are).
That being said I think everyone should try as many different methods of growing as possible even spawning cakes. I've done it in the past and is lots of fun and can be rewarding on its own, my cakes are always inoculated with clean LC or blenderless LI and this makes spawning the cakes more reliable
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 1
#27719604 - 04/03/22 03:25 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I like spawning cakes too and using clean inoculate is key to anything you spawn.
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