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Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes * 39
    #26601054 - 04/14/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This is a simpler version of The Humidity Chamber but it's basically the exact same principle.

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After having dunked your colonized cakes for 24h rinse them off quickly and then use hydrated coir to coat the cakes around the sides and on the top. This outer layer should be roughly 5-10mm thick, and the coir shouldn't easily fall of, don't be afraid to press the coir firmly into place when needed, the cakes can handle it just try to make the coir layer around the same thickness for all the cakes. How it can look:




When all cakes have been coated in coir place them in any Water Tub that works for you, as long as it's a 6 sided container with a lid that closes fully. Place a cookie rack or glass jars inside the tub for your cakes sit on and add 1Inch of water. Place the lid back on fully to restrict FAE as much as possible and within hours the fully saturated environment will already have triggered regeneration in all colonies. For as long as >99% humidity is maintained the colony will keep regenerating new myc from all over the surface regardless of whether it has a coir layer to grab on to or not. Here are a few pics to show the transformation after ~48h in a closed Water Tub:

At this point the cakes are ready to fruit so now we'll spray gently 2-3times from at least >3feet above or higher and immediately after I usually stick my head in to take a close look before deciding to give it 3 more sprays and then I inspect again and repeat until I've achieved surface conditions as seen in these pics these pics are the same 3 cakes as in pics above, before and after misting for easy comparison:






After surface conditions like these have been achieved then cakes are ready to go into fruiting conditions which is simply just creating small openings on top by slightly offsetting the lid to leave small openings a few square centimeters per top corned. Looks like this



FAE will cause evaporation to occur slowly so in about 1-5 days you'll need to gently mist to replace the amount of droplets that have vanished in the course of the days.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Machiavelliavore] * 1
    #26601486 - 04/14/20 07:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

A cake can only support so many fruits to maturity, even fewer to 'full grown' and to maturity. But I guess as long as there's conditions for a healthy pinset and healthy development there are chances for half-full to full flush per cake and that's more than good enough results for me and my skill level :shrug: But some of the densest pinsets are Ime often the most unimpressive, I like 'normal' pinsets, not too dense.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Jaboka]
    #26602484 - 04/15/20 09:33 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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You say you give them spray once i day. I really don't know how much should i spray them, so i do a little in the morning and at night.



Did you roll your cakes in verm? Could you post a pic of your setup and a close 6p of the cakes so I can see how the microclimate looks? I'll post a video later to show how I use the spray bottle and how much I mist.


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the vegetation will mold



The Pachira 'Aquatica' thrives in very high humidity, and the cutlings seem to be doing well after I took em out last night when I flushed the cakes.
Tho the random sticks I put inside that I took from the outside bush started to get soggy and rot pretty fast so I won't be putting more of those in the tub. But I'm excited to see for the next round how the coming cutlings will do in the Water Tub when insode for more than a couple of weeks.


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i think its best to invest on humidity meter.



A hygrometer will tell you nothing, only visual inspection of the cakes can tell you how they're doing and if they need misting or not :thumbup:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: poisoned]
    #26602830 - 04/15/20 12:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Mine too lol means apple

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You say you give them spray once i day. I really don't know how much should i spray them, so i do a little in the morning and at night.




My cakes are currently being dunked so I have no substrates to mist but I'll demonstrate my misting technique on these cutlings instead. I have no clue about the deign of every individuals spray bottle and I don't know what you mean by 'misting a little' 'misting a lot' all I can do is show how I do it, and what I look for in the visual inspection. I basically want miniature droplets to form on top of the substrates and the droplets should be visible for 12-24h and when they've visibly decreased I mist some more. Anyway this is how I'd mist my BRF cakes, but I'm misting plants :thumbup:




And this is how the micro climate looks on the substrate surface look most of the time during fruiting conditions.
Zoom in on the pics to see clearly


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Jaboka]
    #26602855 - 04/15/20 12:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Here is my "set up". Didn't even have a new container, so i used the one for inoculation, patched the wholes with some Gorilla duck tape lol

waiting on the "lmao"s, guys











You can trim down the foil to the edge of the cake, but what are those substrates? Looks more like a qt of grain spawn? I asked if you rolled in verm but you never answered (I'm assuming you're fruiting BRF cakes?

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Cool Tek Meteah. Can you post a sticky in the original op of that video you did. It way pretty nice to see it from all angles.



Thanks man, I'm glad you liked it :hatsoff:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Jaboka]
    #26602997 - 04/15/20 01:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I'd recommend to always roll in verm or coir for best results.
I rolled my cakes in coir after hey were in the chamber for a few days so it's not too late to roll them :thumbup:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Jaboka]
    #26605643 - 04/16/20 11:22 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hard to tell trough the jar. Looking forward to see them in the FC :super:
I just picked up 35 new 1/2 pint jars so now I have 60  :biggrin:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #26609684 - 04/18/20 06:28 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Bump..

Here comes second flush on its way, myc already has a nice grip on the coir just 24h after being placed inside.


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26611946 - 04/19/20 02:13 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

It's now been just under 48h after second roll in coir and the PF Trek cakes are already producing the Next Generation of pins at Warp Speed



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26624202 - 04/24/20 09:04 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Currently I'm just using what's at my disposal and since I don't have vermiculite I'm using coir, so far it seems to be just as effective. But for new growers I'd recommend sticking with the time proven mothods altho I don't see why you shouldn't be able to get the same results as me using coir. But I'm noticing that vermiculite sticks better to the cake during the rolling process so it's easier to use for this process so Id just use that for my cakes!


I guess when it comes to the core functions of the HC there isn't much difference between the coir HC and water HC but like I've said before the coir tubs are easker to move around lol they don't splash around :super:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26624414 - 04/24/20 10:43 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

So this is the second flush from these two 22L and 32L tubs, picked these fruits 2 days ago



And the remaining cakes are finishing up today



I can hardly tell the difference between first and second flush, cakes seem to flush evenly between the two flushes
with slightly bigger fruits in flush two. Can't even tell the difference between the substrates in flush one and flush two.


Flush one pins and fruits





Flush two pins and fruits



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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26624508 - 04/24/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

This is Leucistic Golden Teacher (LGT) and this is a random clone that I took from a pinning petri dish.
And the best part is that I found the petri dish inside an old SAB in a garage at this place that I used to live and the culture had been laying in the garage for 1.5 years. I didn't expect much from that culture I took one transfer and immediately the donor plate pinned as soon as it got colonized and I took the very first pin that popped up. Already after I took that initial transfer from that 1.5yo plate I noticed that this culture was the most vigorous one from the two other cultures I had going at the time that were germinated just weeks ago. Now this one LGT clone is the only culture I'm working with at the moment both for the grain Shoeboxes and for BRF cakes. Gotta love this organism :bongload:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26625513 - 04/24/20 07:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Cakes dunked and rolled ready for flush 3, but they still look like newly birthed lol



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Will it adversely affect my yield with your Tek because of MS syringes. Not complaining, and I don't want to screw up your data if my yields end up being crap through no fault of your Tek. :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:



Nah I don't think so, considering your last cake grow with the SGFC your cakes fruited similar to these cakes of mine, at least the first flush you pulled so I'm counting on you having similar or better results next round, you'll get better and better at cakes regardless of FC :thumbup: looking forward to see you grow some mo.


Jesus, the mushroom factory over here is running on all cylinders I need to switch my daily routines more to European time lol I don't have the energy to stay up late any more hehe. So see you tomorrow I guess :eatingout:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26626421 - 04/25/20 07:10 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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MateahTwo questions I forgot to ask before, that are actually important. The first is why are you dunking and rolling between flushes? My understanding was that you only dunk after the first flush? Or is that just PF Tek? Second question, I just asked this in another thread that I created, How are you dealing with those full pint cakes, in terms of inoculation, colonizing, and birthing?



Dunking is done after every flush, tho rolling in verm is usually done only after the initial dunk after birth (but I roll my cakes after every dunk for this grow) and I'm working with 1/2 pints, wide mouth jars, as recommended per PF Tek.


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What is the one with the colored cap? Is this RW? Or AA+?

Looks awesome bud!



Thanks, these are LGT clone! I'm very happy with it so far


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
    #26665722 - 05/12/20 03:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Hey what's up! Yea I've been buzy lately with house plants lol sry for the delayed amswer, my new place is starting to look like a tropical forest.. :grin:


Anyway.. Yeah you can definitely place old cakes inside your new setup and see how they do :thumbup:
And I think you should roll in verm only once after birthing the cakes, follow the PF Tek and only difference is the fruiting setup.
Birth the cakes a few days after full colonization, do not wait for invitro pins to form. Standard procedure is to let the cakes sit for 7 days post full colonization and then fruit. I personally feel that you could fruit at full colonization and don't need to wait an extra week for consolidation time, but it can be hard to know if the cake is fully colonized at the top so the safe way of doing things is to wait a few more days past the point when you decide that the whole of the substrate is colonized (just to be sure) :thumbup:
And you can probably use the grate or the jars however you want as long as there's some water in the tub for humidity. I like to give them a nice mist from at least 3-4feet above (looking for those ultra light micro hovering droplets to softly spread on and around the cakes) ive posted pics of how my cakesvsurface conditions look right before they fruit so you can use that as a gauge I guess. If you feel that you need to mist more than once a day then something is a bit off and probably can be adjusted. Gl


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 2
    #26666864 - 05/12/20 03:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

In actuality 'misting' doesn't really tell us the amount of water or and in what fashion it has been sprayed over the cakes. Perhaps RR was misting a fifth of what you and I consider a misting session? Only spreading it out throughout the day with a squeeze or two instead of spraying it all at once, who knows.. its arbitrary and individually figured what misting really means. Imo misting is to replenish the substrate surface and not to hydrate the substrate itself. The water you spray should never impregnate the myc on the surface which should appear to be hydrophobic in a way as the tiny droplets may rest on the surface for days in a row without ever getting absorbed by the colony. Personally not a fan of fanning but I suppose you're not hurting anything by burning 10-15calories waving your arms up and down :lol: many cats with different skins :thumbup:


And Jesus you write long posts, carefully and overly examined procedures lol, you're like a well mannered version of myself :bongload:


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Real life trumps



Make fanning great again.

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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: LSA Woodrose]
    #26679540 - 05/18/20 06:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Glad to see this setup is working out for you :mushroom:<3
I was as excited when I was testing out the 'Humidity Chamber Gen 1' with wet coir.
But that was about a year ago, this time around I've had numerous successful grows using different varieties of this HC setup or Water Tub (I'm not sure which name is more catchy or better suited tho I'll let others decide that I won't try to force any name on it, I guess that's why ive been calling it just 'the setup' lately lol) so I've sort of gotten used to having consistent performance and also in the HC thread I've encountered not one but more than a dozin new growers who've also had success so I'd be lying if I said I was surprised that anyone who tries it will have similar results. (but I've also seen some experienced growers mentioning that it didn't work out for them so that's also something to consider I guess) but all in all it seems to be fairly consistent across all levels of experience that have tried it.


How often are you misting and what other regiments are implementing?


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26681869 - 05/19/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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15+ years ago, perhaps RogerRabbit didn't realize that some places, where the ambient humidity isn't high enough, simply aren't going to make BRF cakes thrive much past their first flush.



Don't play yourself lol  how would you even know what a good second flush would look like? RR probably forgot more than you'll learn (or prove me wrong I guess) but yeah I believe RR understood perfectly well that psilocybe Cubensis can grow whenever you provide breeding grounds :eatingout:

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This definitely looks like a great set up for drier climates.



Drier climates = growers inability to create conditions :shrug:


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26681918 - 05/19/20 09:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault


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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Sockadin]
    #26684532 - 05/20/20 11:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Please don't misrepresent my words to make yourself look good publicly and to be a condescending tool. By the way, I would have let your little misguided attempt at a bitchslap go if you didn't completely disregard EVERYTHING else I was saying and asking, only to hone in on a completely irrelevant point and completely make a straw man argument out of it, particularly when I wasn't even arguing with you or anyone else, and certainly wasn't insulting a man I admire like RogerRabbit, who may even be the most knowedgeable person ever grace this site. I really like your Tek, but sometimes you really act like a child, you know that?




There you go again inserting wrongful assumptions about me and the post lol but that's only in your head I promise you I really like your enthusiasm but sometimes worry you take things a little too seriously but I enjoy reading your posts and I look forward for updates from you :super: but remember you expressed an interesting opinion/reasoning on how effectively a "SGFC fruits multiple flushes" but how would you possibly know those facts when you haven't fruited multiple flushes inside a SGFC? See my point I was trying to make? :smile: Could I give opinions on how a Ferarri F 40 handles and drives when going faster than 200km/h if I've owned that car for a few weeks only and never driven it faster that 100km/h? Wouldnt that sound weird? :lol: This is the only thing I commented on, never did I assume you were dissing RR either and I never said that it's all in your head man. :mushroom2::heart:


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My point is still all Tek's work in all environments if it doesn't work it's the growers fault




Yeah I read that the first time. I just didn't respond because it's a slippery slope argument. You can blame the grower for following a TEK to the T and still say it's the growers fault because none of these TEK's are bullet proof. They all have room for innovation (like you did) and modification. So I just don't think saying well if it didn't work out, it's the grower. I am pretty sure this Tek wouldn't work in Antarctica.






Where in Antarctica? In my apartment in Antarctica? Of course it would work, I'd like to hear your opinions on why you don't think it would work :shrug: (I'm interested too see how you were reasoning and I don't have anything personal against you either just putting that out there :super:


And I'm talking about all setups not just the HC, I reason the same about the SGFC as well, and for open fruiting as well or Shoeboxes... Why would the SGFC or other setups suddenly fail to work in your estimations? (honest question man, I'm always open to learn and I know from experience I misinterpret as well at times) but it's not the end of the world, we have different opinions so what? "I never neared anything from a man that agreed with me"-sort of thing and not trying to start a fight I promise you as well :eatingout:


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Awesome that the HC worked out! Cause if it didn't.... It simply would have been your own fault and not the design. :rofl:



What parts of this setup have 'hole in em' in your view? (see what I did?) :eatingout: honest question tho, looking to see if it can be improved!


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