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Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes 39
#26601054 - 04/14/20 04:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is a simpler version of The Humidity Chamber but it's basically the exact same principle.
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Mateja said: After having dunked your colonized cakes for 24h rinse them off quickly and then use hydrated coir to coat the cakes around the sides and on the top. This outer layer should be roughly 5-10mm thick, and the coir shouldn't easily fall of, don't be afraid to press the coir firmly into place when needed, the cakes can handle it just try to make the coir layer around the same thickness for all the cakes. How it can look:

When all cakes have been coated in coir place them in any Water Tub that works for you, as long as it's a 6 sided container with a lid that closes fully. Place a cookie rack or glass jars inside the tub for your cakes sit on and add 1Inch of water. Place the lid back on fully to restrict FAE as much as possible and within hours the fully saturated environment will already have triggered regeneration in all colonies. For as long as >99% humidity is maintained the colony will keep regenerating new myc from all over the surface regardless of whether it has a coir layer to grab on to or not. Here are a few pics to show the transformation after ~48h in a closed Water Tub:
   At this point the cakes are ready to fruit so now we'll spray gently 2-3times from at least >3feet above or higher and immediately after I usually stick my head in to take a close look before deciding to give it 3 more sprays and then I inspect again and repeat until I've achieved surface conditions as seen in these pics these pics are the same 3 cakes as in pics above, before and after misting for easy comparison:
  
After surface conditions like these have been achieved then cakes are ready to go into fruiting conditions which is simply just creating small openings on top by slightly offsetting the lid to leave small openings a few square centimeters per top corned. Looks like this

FAE will cause evaporation to occur slowly so in about 1-5 days you'll need to gently mist to replace the amount of droplets that have vanished in the course of the days.
Edited by Mateja (02/03/22 06:34 PM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: cozmyc] 7
#28321195 - 05/15/23 10:43 PM (8 months, 9 days ago) |
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Good stuff everybody 
Finished out my first flush with this tek. Got about 5 decent sized fruits from my 4 weird blobby GT cakes. Some of the blobs developed caps and turned into mutants . I really should've cloned that one on the left nice and fat and turned out to be .5g dry, but something about that MSS wasn't right.
 A day after harvesting those the rest of them were ready. The B+ cake in the middle was the star of the show with a nice cluster and no blobbing. I'll be focusing on that culture for my first attempt at grain to bulk.

Total yield from the 4 GT cakes was 10g dried and 3.2g from the single B+ cake. Pleased with my results from first PF cakes/WT tek grow. Next up: 6 cakes of Ecuador are 100% and 3 days into consolidating - birthing later this week.
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Lil 2 cake water tub/bag doing aight

These have a double ended casing of CV.. didn’t roll them in anything
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Getting a bit cheeky this morning, linking to the thread we're in. . .
Yahra you don't need the foil. The cakes just sit on a rack above the water.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hysteria] 5
#28319421 - 05/14/23 11:14 AM (8 months, 10 days ago) |
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I think a big thing that’s being possibly overlooked is that mateja is probably not using ms syringes bought from a vendor. While pf is seemingly resistant to bacteria, it’s still in the cake if it’s there and if you choke out your tubs for any period of time, that’s creating a favorable environment for that bacteria to reproduce and give your cake undesirable results.
I made a lil two cake water tub/bag… tons of holes poked in the bag from day one. Heavy ms made from swab —> SS. Cakes killed it. Lots of FAE.

If you want to choke your stuff out because you think it helps and you have clean cultures, have at it but these organisms didn’t evolve to have that done to them.. they grow outside. You think Mother Nature is like, “hey, let’s not have any wind hit those cow pies down there because they’re not ready fruit yet”
When it’s a battle between anaerobic organisms and aerobic organisms and you want the aerobic one to win, give it air.
Also, if anyone has ever made cakes and completely taped up the inoculation holes, what happens? The cakes stall. If myc grew better in high co2, wouldn’t the cakes colonize faster with taped up holes?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 4
#28290259 - 04/22/23 04:54 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Here's exactly how I do it: I put a fistful of perfectly hydrated coir on a plate and then put a bowl of watet next to the plate and right next to that is the bigger bowl where the newly hydrated cakes are floating and then I pull out a cake from the water shake the access water off for 0.5 sec and then just before I grab a pinch of coir I first dip my fingers in the fresh water bowl before I grab the coir so that I hydrate the coir as I go along.
This the perfect analogy really, imagine that the (in my case cutting board) where I'm coating the cakes one at a time, imagine the cutting board is the plate where the artist is mixing his colors, on the cutting board you're gonna at all times two three or several spots with different hydration level small heaps of coir, so that way you can always move and drag the different spots of coir back and forth adding and subtracting from and to so you're always able to instantly grab the desired amount of hydration that enables you to coat an entire pretty neatly in 15-30 seconds or whatever you feel works for you. I hope I'm transmitting some useful visuals for this.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: WhiteDemon] 4
#28304288 - 05/03/23 12:03 AM (8 months, 22 days ago) |
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I have first ever pins
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: smallmouse] 4
#28309925 - 05/07/23 05:39 AM (8 months, 17 days ago) |
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Pin City continues. Thx Mateja you saved me off too much shenanigans.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: killreflection] 4
#28340621 - 05/30/23 01:06 PM (7 months, 25 days ago) |
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killreflection said: I don't believe that it is, here and there it is, that's natural.
But 90, no.
What others think?
I think that this forum has over 2 decades of people trying shit out and improving it. A lot of it didn't work, a lot of it was just stupid, and a lot of it we have figured out better ways. There is a lot of theories being presented as fact in the past that we have debunked and techniques that have no place in modern day cultivation.
I'd agree that you should be careful when browsing the shroomery and stick to recent posts. If you start off by reading posts from RR and the likes from a decade ago, you are going to be able to grow mushrooms, but inefficiently.
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I had some extra supplies lying around and decided to give this method a whirl for the luls. I neglected the shit out of these and it worked quite well!
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hyebrid] 3
#28145827 - 01/18/23 11:51 AM (1 year, 9 days ago) |
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I really like mateja. Hope hes ok man.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Hyebrid] 3
#28156414 - 01/25/23 12:00 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Yeh he messaged me earlier as well, glad to hear he's okay and will be posting sometime again.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Excess Taters] 3
#28166882 - 01/31/23 10:38 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: fahtster] 3
#28248000 - 03/26/23 05:04 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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fahtster said: Couple cakes in a water tub/bag lookin good


Water tub should probably be rolled into the updated PF Tek thread. It’s super solid and easy.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: NFLProof] 3
#28251785 - 03/28/23 07:24 PM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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If Mateja says coir then that’s what I’d use. Have you seen his gallery?
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Yahra] 3
#28259003 - 04/02/23 11:00 AM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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If they make it to full colonization in the jar, they’ll fruit.
I’ve done something like 120 PF jars. Not sure on the total number but it’s over 100. I lost probably 5 to contamination. I really don’t remember the exact numbers, so forgive me for the bad data.
PF tek is a pretty damn reliable method of starting out. That’s why it is constantly suggested.
You got this, dude.
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I'm happy to see growers are still finding this Tek as practical as it actually is, I'd just like to clear up something 'Essential' regarding fruiting conditions and how to create and maintain the glistening cake surfaces and to explain what went wrong if you happened to end up with very dry looking substrates that look lifeless (seen a number of those as well) 
First thing's first: As I've mentioned countless times over the years, but there's actually just this ONE crucial thing that ALLOWS the tiny micro droplets to form in the first place and that thing is just: DAYS OLD NEWLY REGENERATED/FRESHLY GROWN OUT MYCELIUM. Why? Because healthy/actively growing mycelium has this hydrophobic property to it that allows microscopic droplets to both form on the myc surface on its own (under optimal conditions) and also when these droplets are being applied to fruiting substrates manually using a spray bottle then the droplets will remain intact on top of the myc for up to weeks at a time without EVER penetrstung the protective outer myc layer and NEVER soaking the cake/substrate itself.
So what does this have to do with dry cakes? It simply means that if your cakes surface AREN'T completely covered in newly newly regenerated myc (less than a week old or so) and if your cakes surfaces are these hard, spongy, smooth, flat-looking matted myc instead then (and I hate to say it) but you'll basically NEVER be able to recreate these preferable surface conditions no matter how hard you try. (because these conditions isn't something that can be 'willed' into existence by trying harder, you simply either HAVE freshly grown out healthy myc covering the cakes or you DON'T)
OBSERVE the droplets on these cakes (which obviously have been applied evenly with a spray bottle from high above) notice how the ONLY areas on the surface that ALLOW this micro climate (droplets) to form is FRESH HEALTHY MYCELIUM.
Zoom in on the pic to notice how the droplets ALWAYS form on the myc and NEVER on the coir itself.

REGARDLESS how many times per day I'd choose to mist my cakes, it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for water droplets to form on top of moist/hydrated coir since Coco coir is the exact OPPOSITE of 'hydrophobic'. Just as Vermiculite, coir will IMMEDIATELY absorb ALL OF THE WATER that it comes into contact with as long as its not overly hydrated or completely saturated. So in a way, the live myc AND the coir/verm have COMPLETELY OPPOSITE PROPERTIES when it comes to repelling OR absorbing Dihydrogen Monoxide (H20).
Hope this helps to elucidate what's actually going on with these droplets and why growers at times aren't able to recreate these conditions on their substrates NO MATTER how hard they keep trying.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: SirPsycho] 3
#28289554 - 04/22/23 08:21 AM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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SirPsycho said: Holy shit dude's alive 
I know being "alive" sounds somewhat fancy and formal from a certainty point of view but honestly I feel more and more grateful for each year
Also it seems like we have a brand new set of Sherrif's in town so congrats on the badge deputy police officer well deserved if I remember correctly :clapping:
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Edited by Mateja (04/22/23 08:27 AM)
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: flecks77] 3
#28290228 - 04/22/23 04:37 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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flecks77 said: Can someone clarify whether you skip rolling the cakes in vermiculite and go straight to coir after the soak? Is there an estimated ration of coir to water when preparing it?
That's correct, I usually birth and soak my cakes as soon as the slowest jar appears to be 100% colonized (I work with live cultures and for growers that work with spore solution I recommend letting the fully colonized jars sit for a few extra days before proceeding to fruit and it's mostly for peace of mind tho)
Now, when I first started experimenting with coating freshly soaked cakes in a layer of hydrated coir I realized that the coir will not stick very effectively to the cakes if it isn't sufficiently hydrated. Everyone should definitely try at least a few different moisture levels for the coir before you find which recipe produces desired effects. The type that I find works the best is when the coir is clearly overly hydrated but not so much that it's dripping wet imagine perfectly hydrated coir that you'd use for mixing a bulk substrate now keep adding water until the coir is definitely way over hydrated for a bulk sub but still isn't dripping wet and can be manipulated fairly easily and will stick to the cake when slight pressure is applied from several sides at once, imagine you're making a snow ball and yet you're not really making a snow ball, but you're helping the cake hold everything in place from most sides all at once until it finally seems to stay in place.
Dont worry so much about the thickness of the coir layer I've found that lots of different thickness works just try to make it somewhat even for all the cakes.
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Re: Water Tub Tek for fruiting BRF cakes [Re: Mateja] 3
#28290269 - 04/22/23 04:57 PM (9 months, 1 day ago) |
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Mateja said: I'm happy to see growers are still finding this Tek as practical as it actually is...
I must send 5 noobs here from discord every week.
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