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Staying high without drugs
#26600887 - 04/14/20 03:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The world is abstract. I've walked into wonderland perfectly "sober" - actually I was pretty high, and all I did was remove a lot of the myths we live by.
I've been walking down the street and it's suddenly like a mushroom peak, but without the inebriation.
It's like there are discrete levels to the universe. Mushrooms take you, generally, to a specific one.
Ideas! What myths do you live by?
Instead of finding new ideas, debunk the ones you unconsciously live by.
Example 1:
When you look outside, what do you expect to see?
The horizon.
Why?
Because we sailed to these lands, Australia and the United States are colonial age nations. There's no one in our countries that didn't get here by boat, where as, say, India, they're all high, and it's got something to do with having not immigrated to their location over an ocean.
Thought runs on, there's no such thing as "generating" a thought. If a society sailed to their location, everyone is effectively in the mindset of a sailor.
Or an explorer.
Whether we're born Tabula Rasa or not, the minute you speak to someone as a child, you inherent a whole mindset, with all its implications.
I mean "thought insertion" is a really grade 3 concept for psychology/health, everything is thought insertion; everything is thought.
Say you're looking at something in your room, then you change to look at something else, that's got nothing to do with randomness or your decision, that's your next thought.
There's nothing in your head.
There's another myth,
Good day! 
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lostintimenspc said: Because we sailed to these lands, Australia and the United States are colonial age nations. There's no one in our countries that didn't get here by boat
Not true. Early ancestors of America apparently crossed from eastern Russia to Alaska using a natural ice bridge over the ocean.
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lostintimenspc said: , where as, say, India, they're all high, and it's got something to do with having not immigrated to their location over an ocean.
Uhhh what?
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lostintimenspc said: Thought runs on, there's no such thing as "generating" a thought. If a society sailed to their location, everyone is effectively in the mindset of a sailor.
I think you're confusing yourself a bit here, buddy. A thought is generated when a certain combination of neurons in the brain are active at the same time.
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lostintimenspc said: ... When you look outside, what do you expect to see?
The horizon.
Why? ...
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D.T. Suzuki (1926)
According to Seigen Ishin (Ch'ing-yüan Wei-hsin):
"Before a man studies Zen, to him mountains are mountains and waters are waters; after he gets an insight into the truth of Zen through the instruction of a good master, mountains to him are not mountains and waters are not waters; but after this when he really attains to the abode of rest, mountains are once more mountains and waters are waters."
(D. T. Suzuki, Essays in Zen Buddhism, First Series, 1926, London; New York: Published for the Buddhist Society, London by Rider, p. 24.)
https://terebess.hu/zen/qingyuan.html
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One of my favorite ways to stay high without drugs is to run. Just got back from a great run outside and I am zooooooming in my head right now, feel elite and groovy.
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Runners high is legit.
My legs are too messed up to run anymore but on a certain point I hit it while hiking. Depends on terrain and elevation.
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Other options:
Meditation
Fasting
Any intensive rhythmic labor
None are like drugs of course but some drugs aren't like drugs either. The most popular drug in the US is caffeine.
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26600970 - 04/14/20 04:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Running is thee best. The simple utter clarity of head space and senses. Love it. So good for you.
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CookieCrumbs said: Runners high is legit.
My legs are too messed up to run anymore but on a certain point I hit it while hiking. Depends on terrain and elevation.
Any chance you can recover one day and run again? What if you wear a brace or something on your leg? I have mild compartment syndrome in my left calf so I can't run as much as I used to. But stretching a lot helps with that. Hiking is legit as well. Sometimes it's better than running.
Warning: if you look up compartment syndrome then be prepared to potentially see very nasty pictures of a fasciotomy.
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Thanks for your input but I'm of the persuasion that there are actually no neurons, and that neuroscience is entirely metaphor and entirely provisional. You see everything is built up from experience. Just because sciences like neuroscience have gone so far by blending other sciences to the point that you can only understand what's being said with years of textbook work and an exceptional memory, doesn't mean what's being said actually pertains to reality or/as more than basic mathematical concepts, socially reinforced linguistic understandings (language is just nature sounds) and visualization.
While I'm not going to say "it's wrong" I'm going to say the strongest point that establishes science as particular in the quest for knowledge, especially neuroscience, is social reinforcement, and today, we are in a destitute social environment and situation, and you can't really expect we should "believe" neuroscience at least as a metaphysics if most of the neuroscientists don't even understand what a high is, or don't even appreciate beautiful sunsets for instance; that is, they are emotionally constrained and limited, and we think with the peripheral emotional nervous system far more broadly than with just the brain, or just the frontal lobes, which are further restricted by our Ancient Greek assumptions and alienating instrumentality (which is only getting "worse" as we "progress" - more advanced).
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CookieCrumbs said: Runners high is legit.
My legs are too messed up to run anymore but on a certain point I hit it while hiking. Depends on terrain and elevation.
Any chance you can recover one day and run again? What if you wear a brace or something on your leg? I have mild compartment syndrome in my left calf so I can't run as much as I used to. But stretching a lot helps with that. Hiking is legit as well. Sometimes it's better than running.
Warning: if you look up compartment syndrome then be prepared to potentially see very nasty pictures of a fasciotomy.
I would need major surgery to fix my legs and it's just not worth it. Both my shins got hairline fractures from ankle to knee. Impact makes them shift and that sucks alot.
But I've done enough PT to get around alright and know my limits so I don't feel like I'm missing much.
I'd just be screwed during the zombie apocalypse.
How does one get compartment syndrome? is that something you're born with or...?
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lostintimenspc said: Thanks for your input but I'm of the persuasion that there are actually no neurons, and that neuroscience is entirely metaphor and entirely provisional. You see everything is built up from experience. Just because sciences like neuroscience have gone so far by blending other sciences to the point that you can only understand what's being said with years of textbook work and an exceptional memory, doesn't mean what's being said actually pertains to reality or/as more than basic mathematical concepts, socially reinforced linguistic understandings (language is just nature sounds) and visualization.
While I'm not going to say "it's wrong" I'm going to say the strongest point that establishes science as particular in the quest for knowledge, especially neuroscience, is social reinforcement, and today, we are in a destitute social environment and situation, and you can't really expect we should "believe" neuroscience at least as a metaphysics if most of the neuroscientists don't even understand what a high is, or don't even appreciate beautiful sunsets for instance; that is, they are emotionally constrained and limited, and we think with the peripheral emotional nervous system far more broadly than with just the brain, or just the frontal lobes, which are further restricted by our Ancient Greek assumptions and alienating instrumentality (which is only getting "worse" as we "progress" - more advanced).
This is not even wrong. Classic textbook case of "doesn't know what they are talking about".
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Edited by Thanatos10 (04/14/20 06:38 PM)
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: Thanatos10] 1
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spirit_shadow said: I got you fam.
Kind of proves my point about neuroscience but it had no effect on me.
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#26601320 - 04/14/20 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I would need major surgery to fix my legs and it's just not worth it. Both my shins got hairline fractures from ankle to knee. Impact makes them shift and that sucks alot.
But I've done enough PT to get around alright and know my limits so I don't feel like I'm missing much.
I'd just be screwed during the zombie apocalypse.
How does one get compartment syndrome? is that something you're born with or...?
Ooof that gave me some chills. The trick to survive the zombie apocalypse is to find a dead zombie and rub their fluids on you so you smell like them. I think a few factors could have contributed to my compartment syndrome in my left calf:
- I have been a runner almost my entire life - I got shin splints as teen - I got a stress fracture in my left tibia as a teen - One time I was playing CTF in a parking lot and slipped and my left tibia scraped over the corner of a concrete parking block. It was such a clean cut I didn't feel any pain at all. I could see into my leg and I didn't look for more than 1 second. It tore my leg open. Potentially nerve damage was done. The doc just simply pulled my skin together and stitched me up. - In early 20s I was using some really used running shoes for longer than I should have, and it was at this point that the compartment syndrome started and has never left, though I have learned how to lessen it a lot over the years so now it really isn't that bad. I obviously only use really good running shoes now and don't use same pair for too long.
When I first got it my left leg would slowly go numb if I continued exercising. One time I couldn't feel my left leg at all after playing basketball. I never forced myself to that point again. These days my calf doesn't get numb, but instead it starts tightening up if I exercise too much. It's a bit of an annoying feeling, but stretching does the trick to make it better.
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It's all the brain son, in ways you likely don't even know. It seems like the myths here are your posts. Also I don't know what neuroscientists you are talking about but they can appreciate things even if they do know the mechanism behind it (yes even your precious high).
Yet another myth of "science disenchants the world".
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CookieCrumbs said: Runners high is legit.
My legs are too messed up to run anymore but on a certain point I hit it while hiking. Depends on terrain and elevation.
Can't say I've experienced this and I run quite often.
But from what I know running is only good exercise when you're relatively young-youngish. It is actually murder on your bones later in life, that's why they recommend weight training.
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Edited by Thanatos10 (04/14/20 07:07 PM)
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: Thanatos10]
#26601384 - 04/14/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why debunk them? Myths exist to give our lives structure, to give us a way to interact with the spiritual side of the world and to let us feel if our hearts are in line with the divine.
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: Babylon]
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Babylon said: Why debunk them? Myths exist to give our lives structure, to give us a way to interact with the spiritual side of the world and to let us feel if our hearts are in line with the divine.
I mean he didn't really debunk any myths so much as invent ones to debunk.
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: Thanatos10]
#26601407 - 04/14/20 07:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Babylon said: Why debunk them? Myths exist to give our lives structure, to give us a way to interact with the spiritual side of the world and to let us feel if our hearts are in line with the divine.
I mean he didn't really debunk any myths so much as invent ones to debunk.
I prefer inventing ones to live by. It can be a really fascinating experiment to live as if you truly believe the eddas, or the bhagavad gita, or the Coyote stories. Believe in the way people traditionally did mind you, not that silly factual approach that Christians try to use.
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Re: Staying high without drugs [Re: Babylon]
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Babylon said: Why debunk them? Myths exist to give our lives structure, to give us a way to interact with the spiritual side of the world and to let us feel if our hearts are in line with the divine.
I mean he didn't really debunk any myths so much as invent ones to debunk.
I prefer inventing ones to live by. It can be a really fascinating experiment to live as if you truly believe the eddas, or the bhagavad gita, or the Coyote stories. Believe in the way people traditionally did mind you, not that silly factual approach that Christians try to use.
I have no reason to do that anymore. Also Christians and factual? Those don't really go together.
It was nice as a kid but I can't really abide them anymore.
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