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ballsalsa
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Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? 2
#26598733 - 04/13/20 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you guys think?
Is it even possible to "vote the bums out" at this point? Is direct action the only viable option left?
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Re: Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26598780 - 04/13/20 07:06 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the US is a dead end. The politics don't matter, the national ethos does.
Rugged individualism doesn't make a healthy society.
The only way out, that I see, would involve a benevolent power grab. This is, frankly, impossible. I can't think of any revolutions of the top of my head where reality doesn't beat ideology. Hell, Che's image sells T-shirts today.
As a result of this fact, I think the next best thing for the US would be a massive unifying event that comes at enormous human cost. Not tens of thousands, but tens of MILLIONS dead. Something that truly beats into the thick skull of every "don't tread on me" idiot that they require a functional society to survive.
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Re: Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? [Re: ballsalsa] 6
#26598948 - 04/13/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I have a very hard time believing that the people who lobbied to get lunch breaks reduced to an unpaid 30 minutes would simply leave influential government positions up to us. This can be easily observed, as well. Pick three ranking people from any of our three governmental branches, and do a moment's research on their net worth. I've found that our government is overwhelmingly made up of people so ridiculously rich, they think that owning two multi-million-dollar houses qualifies as "dead broke" (Hillary Clinton), a million dollars is a "small loan" (Donald Trump), and a white suburban neighborhood with a median income of 100k qualifies as growing up in "The Bronx" (Ocasio-Cortez).
No, I don't think it's possible to vote the bums out, because the bums are electing themselves and each other. Our justice system only values the letter of the law, not the spirit. That puts lawyers and people who think like lawyers at the top of the food chain. So, even though there are a load of laws in place designed to prevent people from using their wealth to get elected...guess who finds a way around those rules through "lobbying"? Lawyers, and those who think like them.
There are basically two options left if we want to see things change. Direct action, or simply waiting for the collective populace to become reasonable...which will probably happen eventually, but I doubt either of us will be alive to see it.
Here's my two cents' worth of rant; capitalism has a dark side, just like every other economic system. Capitalism's demons manifest themselves as wealthy people who use their wealth to prevent other people from doing the same. Folks who made their fortunes off the stock markets regulating it to the point where they're the only ones who can continue to do it. People who made their money with real estate buying up every available entry-level property and then renting it out for more than the mortgage costs. Refusing to hire people without a college degree for anything but dead-end jobs, and then increasing the cost of education to the point that we have to go in debt for decades to get it...I could go on, but the long-story-short is this; we lost our right to control of our government as soon as we lost the will\ability to overthrow it. Which is exactly what the dudes who wrote the Constitution were trying so damn hard to prevent.
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Re: Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? [Re: Despica Bill] 1
#26598998 - 04/13/20 08:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Despica Bill said: Capitalism's demons manifest themselves as wealthy people who use their wealth to prevent other people from doing the same.
nice fucking post my friend welcome aboard+5
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Re: Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26599084 - 04/13/20 09:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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nice thread balls.
Quote:
There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part! You can't even passively take part! And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels…upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop! And you've got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine will be prevented from working at all!
-mario savio 1942-'96 Savio was illegally hounded and surveilled by the FBI, designated as a person to be detained without judicial warrant in event of a national emergency.
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it's gonna get bumpy everybody grow as much food as you can right now
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Re: Are Electoral Politics a Dead End? [Re: ballsalsa]
#26599102 - 04/13/20 09:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
ballsalsa said: What do you guys think?
Is it even possible to "vote the bums out" at this point? Is direct action the only viable option left?
discuss unintelligibly
yes.
the ecosystems can't take much more abuse. neither can our societies. our best chance of survival is to make small uninhabitable reservations in the desert and relocate and forcibly sterilize all wealthy european-type people to them quick before they render the entire world uninhabitable we'll turn those big white disgusting mansions in giant tropical greenhouse gardens, free hospitals and communal housing and use their money to cook on. ready when you are
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: MadMuncher]
#26599130 - 04/13/20 09:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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https://equalexchange.coop/getinvolved
solar panels with a cause https://www.goalzero.com
where the fuck is the political revolution i thought i heard some ads about? fuck the presidency.
just another greedy lying rich white piece of pro-israel anti-human shit who tricked us all into watching the puppet show.
hang them all.
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: MadMuncher]
#26599153 - 04/13/20 09:54 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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First off, renewables are pretty hard hit with Covid, since they require installation of infrastructure, whereas oil and gas simply use the same leaky pipes they're always used.
Second, renewable energy has been explicitly excluded from the Covid relief packages.
Solar/wind is explicitly being fucked over by the government. It's not a free market. Fossil fuels are expecting government bailouts to offset their (many) losses, while renewables are expected to compete without government assistance.
If it was a free market, OPEC would be fucked, and we can't have that until MBS gets his nukes up. Don't forget to pay your taxes! Saudi Arabian needs YOU to contribute to their relief fund. Also, a few more US soldiers wouldn't hurt. Nobody likes risking their own necks, mercenaries are much better.
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: Kryptos] 1
#26599158 - 04/13/20 10:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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its time to stop looking to the government for solutions they will get us all killed
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26599167 - 04/13/20 10:05 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are correct, that when you rely on an incompetent government in a failed state, the government will likely get you killed.
Are you arguing that the US is a failed state, in which the government has failed the most basic requirements of protecting the people?
Rhetorical question, republicans are in charge. Fuck the GOP. Let's drown them in the bathtub.
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: Kryptos]
#26599181 - 04/13/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes. this is a failed state. remember how the government shuts down every time they put everything on the table except their own paychecks (public or otherwise).
hang them all. grow as much food as you can right now brother take care of our people
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Re: tear the republic down [Re: MadMuncher] 1
#26599414 - 04/14/20 01:57 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: MadMuncher]
#26599725 - 04/14/20 07:49 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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The current state of affairs in the U.S. are inevitable. It doesn't matter what revolution occurs or doesn't occur. We will end up in the same place. Humans aren't equipped to do any better.
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: MadMuncher]
#26600570 - 04/14/20 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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nobody decides to be born. nobody asked to exist. let's be free while we're here
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: Enlil]
#26600596 - 04/14/20 01:50 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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life's way too short to let some rich white guy tell you what to do.
come call me a savage to my face sometime bitch I'll give you herpes
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: MadMuncher]
#26600601 - 04/14/20 01:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why are you melting down like this?
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: Enlil]
#26600634 - 04/14/20 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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im not. just wanted you to known i heard you.
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#26601719 - 04/14/20 10:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Voting has been useless my entire life. For some reason we haven't really backed out of the dead end and picked a new direction though.
The correct approach, IMO, is to treat the government as an obstacle to be overcome. Stop trying to take control of it and get it out of your way.
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Re: Meet the new boss...same as the old boss [Re: Enlil]
#26603894 - 04/15/20 07:33 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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i agree. "government" should be more like coalitions of locally organized community groups i think. sometimes it seems like it's all bound to fail no matter what but then we've only ever been governed by wealthy and powerful men with ancient inheritances in most of recorded history. small community groups working together as and for the people are a better alternative to being dictated by a single group of rich pale men thousands of miles away.
Edited by MadMuncher (01/17/22 04:18 AM)
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